One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Core D. Roy]

7) Stussy (Prime or Clone) if her Clone’s abilities are similar to the original’s, she was a powerhouse. Hasn’t been shown to have Co

I mean all we know for sure she has is the standard CP0 powers required to be in CP0, which her original shouldn't have had. And her devil fruit has only had one effect shown, which is putting an enemy to sleep with a bite... which without a sneak attack, isn't going to be useful on most people. Her performance in the past doesn't really lead us to believe Bakkin has any sort of fighting abilities outside of what is implied by her rolling with the big dogs of the Rocks Pirates

 

[Tonix]

Her performance in the past doesn't really lead us to believe Bakkin has any sort of fighting abilities outside of what is implied by her rolling with the big dogs of the Rocks Pirates

Rolling with the big dog Rocks Pirates and Rocks using Davy Back to force her to join his crew that he was intentionally building to take over the world is a pretty good implication though.

She also only sneak attacked Kaku. She beat Lucci semi honestly.

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

I also forgot about them. I guess just lump them in with Gunko, because their strength is also just their regeneration powers. None of the God Knights have done anything impressive besides regenerating so far.

Alright, true there‘s little to zero proof regarding the female God‘s Knights aside from Gunko to have earned a spot in the top 10. I just figured endgame villains to be worthy in general.
I took Gunko tanking the damage from Usopp‘s explosives as an“I don’t need to dodge since this guy is obviously void of any CoC and thus I can tank anything he sends flying towards me“ situation. After all she showed impressive DF feats and managed to make short work of half of the Strawhats in a jiffy.

Regarding Bonny I think she might be the future number one female character, she has plenty of potential and her Nika impersonation surely did not pull their punches back on Egghead Island.

Talking about potential Carrot is also worth mentioning. I think she‘s already a contender for 9th or 10th place (at least in Sulong form) and I‘m expecting more from here to come soon.

I think Monet also deserves an honorable mention. She obviously loses to anyone on the list with Haki, but I think Nami and Robin could take her as well. She has a water based body and Nami has electric attacks. She has also shown that being scared causes her to lose control of her powers, and Robin is super fucking scary, so I’d give Robin the edge over her too.

I think giving Monet an honorable mention is in order but this reminds me of her sister Sugar. She‘s another candidate making the ranking even harder, I daresay her powers are even more hacks than Boa‘s but she‘s mentally and physically inferior to the Pirate Empress.

 

[yokoso9999]

Alright, true there‘s little to zero proof regarding the female God‘s Knights aside from Gunko to have earned a spot in the top 10. I just figured endgame villains to be worthy in general.
I took Gunko tanking the damage from Usopp‘s explosives as an“I don’t need to dodge since this guy is obviously void of any CoC and thus I can tank anything he sends flying towards me“ situation. After all she showed impressive DF feats and managed to make short work of half of the Strawhats in a jiffy.

Regarding Bonny I think she might be the future number one female character, she has plenty of potential and her Nika impersonation surely did not pull their punches back on Egghead Island.

Talking about potential Carrot is also worth mentioning. I think she‘s already a contender for 9th or 10th place (at least in Sulong form) and I‘m expecting more from here to come soon.

I think giving Monet an honorable mention is in order but this reminds me of her sister Sugar. She‘s another candidate making the ranking even harder, I daresay her powers are even more hacks than Boa‘s but she‘s mentally and physically inferior to the Pirate Empress.

Honestly, I think everyone is massively underrating Nami here. If we go by the original Japanese wording, Oda has basically already confirmed she is endgame-tier.

When Nami says 「天候を支配する」, people translate it as “control the weather,” but 支配 is not casual control — it implies domination or rule. That means Nami is not just using weather as a weapon; she is imposing authority over the sky itself. In One Piece terms, that is thematically above Devil Fruits, because even Logia users are still part of nature, while Nami commands the conditions nature exists under.
Boa turns people to stone? Irrelevant. Lightning does not have romantic feelings. Sugar turns people into toys? Zeus is already a sentient cloud and therefore outside normal biological rules. Bonney alters age? Nami’s attacks are weather phenomena, not “people,” so age manipulation does nothing. Even Imu’s whole vibe is “ruling from above,” but Nami literally fights with the heavens.

Also, the gag evidence matters. Oda consistently lets Nami physically damage Luffy despite his rubber body. That is not comedy, it is foreshadowing. Her punches bypass Devil Fruit logic, which means she has the oldest form of advanced Haki: domestic authority.

 

[kkck]

Nami being the rain god would be one of the funniest and best developments in the manga for a while (and that considering the manga has been pretty decent as of late).

 

[XXGenesis]

So I’ll be honest, I still had my reservations even after the flashback; But the denial vanished 1st chapter Loki fought with IMU. Loki is Top 5! The fact he was beat up earlier in this arc shows crazy lvs of endurance & stamina.

While Luffy got in a Blind attack to later lose in 1 chapter! Couldn’t even land another hit nor pushed Imu to use much of his Maki powers.

So despite Nidhog having lighting based abilities. Luffy still gets smoked by Loki regardless. Shanks & Mihawk are still above Luffy also.

Then we have the God Knights who start of Buff’d already but mostly a threat because they are Immortal essentially. Aside from Shamrock, none of them seem to be on the level of the stronger
Yonkou commanders like King or Marco. Now we have this Omen buff that seems to out then above the commanders & Magic Weapons….Does this make them Admiral lv????

Thoughts on Luffy falling shorter than Loki vs Imu?
Does the Gorosei get more respect?!
God knights buff? Admiral lv or still threshold between YC1?

 

[Pirate Queen]

So I’ll be honest, I still had my reservations even after the flashback; But the denial vanished 1st chapter Loki fought with IMU. Loki is Top 5! The fact he was beat up earlier in this arc shows crazy lvs of endurance & stamina.

While Luffy got in a Blind attack to later lose in 1 chapter! Couldn’t even land another hit nor pushed Imu to use much of his Maki powers.

So despite Nidhog having lighting based abilities. Luffy still gets smoked by Loki regardless. Shanks & Mihawk are still above Luffy also.

Then we have the God Knights who start of Buff’d already but mostly a threat because they are Immortal essentially. Aside from Shamrock, none of them seem to be on the level of the stronger
Yonkou commanders like King or Marco. Now we have this Omen buff that seems to out then above the commanders & Magic Weapons….Does this make them Admiral lv????

Thoughts on Luffy falling shorter than Loki vs Imu?
Does the Gorosei get more respect?!
God knights buff? Admiral lv or still threshold between YC1?

Loki has been a powerscaling breath of fresh air for sure, but I was worried that the "good guys" were getting way too powerful and this "war that will envelope the entire world" was looking lop sided, but Imu has been a fucking DEMON.

I never thought we'd see the Admirals get power cliffed this badly.

And Luffy... every chapter that passes makes me like G5 a little less. Which is unfortunate because I LOVED G5 reveal, but it just doesn't fight the One Piece world.

And another Training arc seems so pointless at this point in the story unless time manipulation shenanigans happens.

I find myself more excited for zoro and Sanji's fights because I feel like both are on the verge of Admiral level and we may just get our wish.

I really don't want to see Luffy fot a bit. That performance was incredibly disappointing.

 

[kkck]

Loki just might be the strongest being in the series after imu. Luffy had some help against kaidou but he beat kizaru in what seems like a pretty fair fight unless kizaru was nerfed by his conflicted feelings. If anything the remaining yonko level folk around seem to be mostly in the same ballpark with only imu and loki breaking out. I suppose we don't know how strong the gorosei can get if they can be further buffed by imu and even knights of good can be buffed to the level we are seeing.

 

[shailks]

Loki has been a powerscaling breath of fresh air for sure, but I was worried that the "good guys" were getting way too powerful and this "war that will envelope the entire world" was looking lop sided, but Imu has been a fucking DEMON.

I never thought we'd see the Admirals get power cliffed this badly.

And Luffy... every chapter that passes makes me like G5 a little less. Which is unfortunate because I LOVED G5 reveal, but it just doesn't fight the One Piece world.

And another Training arc seems so pointless at this point in the story unless time manipulation shenanigans happens.

I find myself more excited for zoro and Sanji's fights because I feel like both are on the verge of Admiral level and we may just get our wish.

I really don't want to see Luffy fot a bit. That performance was incredibly disappointing.

seems like Luffy needs to have a little chat with Joyboy/Nika. The fruit might carry memories of the previous users that just needs to be unlocked.

 

[Pirate Queen]

seems like Luffy needs to have a little chat with Joyboy/Nika. The fruit might carry memories of the previous users that just needs to be unlocked.

I really hope not. Another Naruto/Hagaromo parallel would send me bat shit crazy

 

[XXGenesis]

Aside from Loki, who’s actually fought the Top of verse character.

I don’t even think Modern Yonkou are at Herald, Rocks, Roger or Garp’s lv yet.

I’m gonna exclude Shanks; & Mihawk by default I predict, They are actually at that lv, with Loki.

IMU & Loki imo have just opened up the top tiers something different. I got this idea from Mr.Moj but i see where he’s going with it. Kaido & Big Mom were did not reach Roger, neither has Luffy…Loki is there;All the evidence supports Shanks being there..So that defaults Mihawk as well.

@Pirate Queen I’m not pleased with G5 at the moment either! The Genie thing was . I need G5 doing ish like back in the Kaido fight, swinging around lighting & throwing it, rubberizing the ground etc….Even In Egghead the visual of the abilities were cool. Oda needs to get more creative

 

[shailks]

I really hope not. Another Naruto/Hagaromo parallel would send me bat shit crazy

We are way past that point in the story, aren’t we?
Call it Naruto/Hagaromo or Aang, it’s clear the fruit along with appearances is solidifying the 'chosen one' destiny trope that ties him directly to Joyboy. What is still somewhat undecided is the exact mechanics of it.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

We are way past that point in the story, aren’t we?
Call it Naruto/Hagaromo or Aang, it’s clear the fruit along with appearances is solidifying the 'chosen one' destiny trope that ties him directly to Joyboy. What is still somewhat undecided is the exact mechanics of it.

We're definitely past the chosen one trope. Luffy was always meant to be PK and the savior. However, I'd still prefer Joyboy stay dead and we learn about him via flashbacks and Luffy maybe learns his history from 3rd party vs actually talking to him or remanants of him. But to be real I wouldn't be surprised if we get something like Joyboy left haki soul version of himself somewhere (maybe even Laughtale).

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Both Loki and Imu have been refreshing on power level side of things. I'd been consistently disappointed by giants throughout OP since they only were relevant from size and did not show any actual skilled or strong fighters. Harald and now Loki have changed that are are real monsters. Definitely think Loki is stronger than someone like Kaido. Honestly makes me think Kaido was a bit of a bser since if he wanted to real catch smoke this world isn't short on people who could have whooped his ass.

On Imu I'm still mixed on design but everthing else has been great. Has very versatile and complex power. No nonsense attitude that is more refreshing of a CD. He clearly believes himself above everyone but doesn't do the sadisitic I'm going to play around shit, its just straight to what do I need to get done. And boy power wise just iin a league of his own. Honestly can easily wipe out a Yonko crew by himself if he wanted so the price of leaving Holy Land must be high for him to not have just done that in the past.

 

[Imfamux]

So I’ll be honest, I still had my reservations even after the flashback; But the denial vanished 1st chapter Loki fought with IMU. Loki is Top 5! The fact he was beat up earlier in this arc shows crazy lvs of endurance & stamina.

While Luffy got in a Blind attack to later lose in 1 chapter! Couldn’t even land another hit nor pushed Imu to use much of his Maki powers.

So despite Nidhog having lighting based abilities. Luffy still gets smoked by Loki regardless. Shanks & Mihawk are still above Luffy also.

Then we have the God Knights who start of Buff’d already but mostly a threat because they are Immortal essentially. Aside from Shamrock, none of them seem to be on the level of the stronger
Yonkou commanders like King or Marco. Now we have this Omen buff that seems to out then above the commanders & Magic Weapons….Does this make them Admiral lv????

Thoughts on Luffy falling shorter than Loki vs Imu?
Does the Gorosei get more respect?!
God knights buff? Admiral lv or still threshold between YC1?

Yeah i think God Knights with Omen AND World Weapons for sure are Admiral LvL - if you look closely at Sommers attack - it's looks like Gram was emitting so much CoC our Maki wihtouht Sommers doing this - it's really like a magical weapon already infused with the most powerful Maki/CoC that it can have (maybe it's even the "power" of the past kings wielding those weapons)

 

[kkck]

Sommers apparently is going toe to toe with zoro who is using king of hell attacks though I wouldn't go as far as saying sommers is yonko level. Probably somewhat close though. It'll be interesting to see what abilities sommers and killinham's weapons have.

Personally I don't have a strong opinion on whether harald/xebec were stronger than roger or garp at their peaks. Which would have been probably years after god valley. Loki's fruit is probably enough to give him an edge over harald I'd say (though even then harald while boosted by imu was enough of a monster that he had to be taken down by gaban, shanks and then loki).

 

[Imfamux]

Sommers apparently is going toe to toe with zoro who is using king of hell attacks though I wouldn't go as far as saying sommers is yonko level. Probably somewhat close though. It'll be interesting to see what abilities sommers and killinham's weapons have.

Personally I don't have a strong opinion on whether harald/xebec were stronger than roger or garp at their peaks. Which would have been probably years after god valley. Loki's fruit is probably enough to give him an edge over harald I'd say (though even then harald while boosted by imu was enough of a monster that he had to be taken down by gaban, shanks and then loki).

The most problematic part of judging their power is that besides everything else - they are STILL IMMORTAL - and this is something that noone of the Younkous have - i would say in streght , the God Knights with Omem + World Weapon has more raw power than a admiral, specially if my theory of world weapons turn to be true - and using one is equal as using the power of the original owner of that blade - and in general they are "better" than admiral/younkou only because of this immortality stuff - but i'm sure Kaidou, B.M and any other would pulverize a normal G.K - and even a buffed one in a 1x1, kaidou no diff evryone else but not Shamsrock - but when this weapons enter.. idk..

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Sommers apparently is going toe to toe with zoro who is using king of hell attacks though I wouldn't go as far as saying sommers is yonko level. Probably somewhat close though. It'll be interesting to see what abilities sommers and killinham's weapons have.

Personally I don't have a strong opinion on whether harald/xebec were stronger than roger or garp at their peaks. Which would have been probably years after god valley. Loki's fruit is probably enough to give him an edge over harald I'd say (though even then harald while boosted by imu was enough of a monster that he had to be taken down by gaban, shanks and then loki).

I doubt that Garp and Roger wasn't at ALMOST their prime - Roger got in Road Star just after or before G.V (idk) but was already a rival of Rocks - the fucking goat at the time ! -

And yeah - ik for real that sommers got pulverized agaisnt any Younkou - BUT - in a real scenario if they really wanted to rally onigashima - they could do it with Shamsrock + 4 G.K- eveyrone has a stupid D.F - and are immortals. But this would be TO MUCH price to pay i guess for Imu.

 

[kkck]

The most problematic part of judging their power is that besides everything else - they are STILL IMMORTAL - and this is something that noone of the Younkous have - i would say in streght , the God Knights with Omem + World Weapon has more raw power than a admiral, specially if my theory of world weapons turn to be true - and using one is equal as using the power of the original owner of that blade - and in general they are "better" than admiral/younkou only because of this immortality stuff - but i'm sure Kaidou, B.M and any other would pulverize a normal G.K - and even a buffed one in a 1x1, kaidou no diff evryone else but not Shamsrock - but when this weapons enter.. idk..

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I doubt that Garp and Roger wasn't at ALMOST their prime - Roger got in Road Star just after or before G.V (idk) but was already a rival of Rocks - the fucking goat at the time ! -

And yeah - ik for real that sommers got pulverized agaisnt any Younkou - BUT - in a real scenario if they really wanted to rally onigashima - they could do it with Shamsrock + 4 G.K- eveyrone has a stupid D.F - and are immortals. But this would be TO MUCH price to pay i guess for Imu.

I think once zoro and sanji have cracked conqueror haki then perhaps the immortality becomes way less of a problem than it would appear to be. Harald was uniquely dangerous because he was an user of cladding. So for his regeneration to even be a factor you'd need to bypass an absurd cladding defense (which I have argued is where kaido's and big mom's apparent invulnerability comes from). Sommers and killingham are not users of conqueror haki as far as we know. And we actually saw Rayleigh use conqueror haki against sommers back at god valley... and only 1 hit was actually enough to significantly slow down his regeneration. So unlike against harald a battle against a regular holy knight is not nearly as long a battle of attrition. One good hit could be enough to give zoro and sanji enough of an opening to allow them to land the amount of hits they need to shut down regeneration and kill the knights.

Roger got to god valley some 20 years after god valley. I do agree that several knights while boosted as sommers and killingham are now are probably enough to wipe out a yonko crew as long as at least one knight in base is at least as strong as yamato...

 

[HereNThere]

So I’ll be honest, I still had my reservations even after the flashback; But the denial vanished 1st chapter Loki fought with IMU. Loki is Top 5! The fact he was beat up earlier in this arc shows crazy lvs of endurance & stamina.

While Luffy got in a Blind attack to later lose in 1 chapter! Couldn’t even land another hit nor pushed Imu to use much of his Maki powers.

So despite Nidhog having lighting based abilities. Luffy still gets smoked by Loki regardless. Shanks & Mihawk are still above Luffy also.

Then we have the God Knights who start of Buff’d already but mostly a threat because they are Immortal essentially. Aside from Shamrock, none of them seem to be on the level of the stronger
Yonkou commanders like King or Marco. Now we have this Omen buff that seems to out then above the commanders & Magic Weapons….Does this make them Admiral lv????

Thoughts on Luffy falling shorter than Loki vs Imu?
Does the Gorosei get more respect?!
God knights buff? Admiral lv or still threshold between YC1?

To be honest, I'd say Loki only did marginally better than Luffy. Both pretty much only got in one attack on an Imu who wasn't paying attention and Imu used similar attacks against both of them. Only real difference is Loki's stature probably allowing him to take a few more blows than Luffy did. Both ended up being taken down by the same Maki Trackers that basically gave Imu a guaranteed hit it seems.

I don't disagree with the notion that Luffy still has some growing to do, but I don't think his performance was egregiously bad. Especially given Imu's level of hax so far.

As for the God's Knights, it's kinda impossible to scale them as we don't have a point of comparison to their Omen buffs. People have been jumping to "Admiral level" but I find that highly unlikely. Fan tiers have long been out the window imo, so I'd say these two are just stronger than Zoro and Sanji and leave it at that. They exist just to push Zoro and Sanji closer to Great Pirate status i.e. they can fight against a Yonkou/Admiral level threat without being stomped the hell out.

The Gorosei do have much more heat going for them now though. We also don't know what their specific "Contracts" offer at the highest level.

We're definitely past the chosen one trope. Luffy was always meant to be PK and the savior. However, I'd still prefer Joyboy stay dead and we learn about him via flashbacks and Luffy maybe learns his history from 3rd party vs actually talking to him or remanants of him. But to be real I wouldn't be surprised if we get something like Joyboy left haki soul version of himself somewhere (maybe even Laughtale).

Yeah, Joyboy kinda needs to stay dead, otherwise the idea of an "inherited will" gets tossed out of the window. Any form of immortality goes against it, which I what I think led to Joyboy and Imu falling out in the first place. Hell, Luffy didn't even want to be remembered in song or praise when Kaido said he'd keep his memory alive. I imagine Joyboy had similar thoughts. I think Luffy being adamant about not being called Joyboy is intentional.

 

[kkck]

Loki did more than a bit better than luffy. He actually landed hits and didn't get outright dismissed as weak by imu. That said i would still think imu won against loki with enough margin for comfort.

 

[costicla]

Let's wait and see before saying Luffy is defeated. He is still councious and still in Gear 5, I don;t think he is out of the fight just yet. Though maybe he is still awake just to see Gaban make some new super Haki move on Imu and then get killed by him.

Also there is no way the God Knights are Admiral level. Sure, they are strong and have powerfull devil fruits, but thier main draw is the fact you can't kill them without King's Haki, andeven with that Killingham lost. Now they are powered up by Imu and have legendary weapons, but I still don't think they are at that level. They may be stronger than a Yonko's top subordinates (but even then, Buggy has Mihawk and we don't know much about Beckman), but as strong as a Yonko or admiral, that seems too far. They seem to be pushing Zorro and Sanji around for the time, but they will most likely lose, they are there to level up Zorro and Sanji, probably like HereNThere said, so they can fight against Yonko/admiral level people and not die quickly.

Now this is for the God Knights we have seen fight, Shamrock maybe at the highest level, being the captain of the knights and Shanks's big brother. Garling, I don't know, he kind of got embarrassed at God Valley, though that was years ago and he is now one of the Elders and probably has the highest contract with Imu, so he is also likely much stronger now.