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was a Marine Vice Admiral and a Base Commander in the New World on top of that. He was already using full-body Armament Haki as a mere soldier, it speaks for itself that Vergo is crazy strong
Tamago vs Pekoms is hard to say. Pekoms seems way tankier character but Tamago looks immortal(?).
Daifuku vs Oven goes into Oven's favor imo, unless Daifuku has a lot more to offer than what we saw.
He's asking opinion on who is stronger among the 2 names he brought up in each pairing.
You misinterpret/misunderstand his question as either him asking who's strongest of the 4 or which 2 pairing is stronger.
This is also how you misinterpret/misunderstand people's replies to many of your one sided views on a certain character. You've surely done that to me in the past.
Just letting you know you've got to improve.
Good luck with your arguments.
This is also how you misinterpret/misunderstand people's replies to many of your one sided views on a certain character. You've surely done that to me in the past.
Tamago vs Pekoms is hard to say. Pekoms seems way tankier character but Tamago looks immortal(?).
Daifuku vs Oven goes into Oven's favor imo, unless Daifuku has a lot more to offer than what we saw.
Even though Tamago has remarkable regeneration/rebirth ability, Oda emphasised in an SBS that he has a crippling weakness opposition can take advantage of if they want to kill him and that's in the midst of evolution/transformation.
Also it's important to note that he couldn't regenerate certain vital parts of his body as seen with one of his eyes missing.
Still yet, I think he's got the edge over Pekoms (if we aren't counting Sulong - which is more or less circumstantial).
Oven seems more capable than Daifuku in combat. Daifuku's just been sitting and leaving the hard work to his genie in any given clash with an opposition.
I feel Oven is slightly stronger.
He's asking opinion on who is stronger among the 2 names he brought up in each pairing.
You misinterpret/misunderstand his question as either him asking who's strongest of the 4 or which 2 pairing is stronger.
This is also how you misinterpret/misunderstand people's replies to many of your one sided views on a certain character. You've surely done that to me in the past.
Just letting you know you've got to improve.
Good luck with your arguments.
Please learn to not be condescending when you post. No wonder many don't want to post back to you and @nik87 if this how you act as well with desire wanting be right on everything. If you guys were less this people can enjoy themselves around you. Just saying from advice to help you improve as well.
One mistake doesn't mean my choice is still wrong on who I picked on the other pair. Nor my past arguments that only you see as 'bad' as you can't understand when someone disagree and counter your side. Not being mean to you guys or anything, but don't ignore context and facts to help your side to he fair is all. I don't post stuff for the sake of posting whatever I want. I do my reaserch before posting to be fair on what I write in the end.
As for the first one, Hard to say as never seen full power of both Pekoms and Tamago so could go either way.
If you would misunderstand less what people write, there would be a lot less arguing about things that you misunderstand. It happens way too often so please read stuff more carefully. This is advice to help you improve your posts so they don't create unnecessary arguing.
Somehow I see Daifuku above Oven a little bit. Bought fought Sanji briefly or were in a small skirmish. Sanji landed a kick on Oven and it seemed he took little damage but it hurt him. Daifukus genie is part of his power, so when Sanji fought the Genie, I believe (feel free to say otherwise) the Genie was stronger than Sanji. So that’s what I based it off on. Oven has more destructive/harmful capability as shown when he boiled the seawater & harmed the fish man pirates. Yet I see both of them above Perospero, that’s just my opinion. My BMP power list would be:
Dogtooth, Smoothie, Cracker, Snack, Daifuku, Oven, Perospero, Tamago, Pekoms etc.
Seriously not even hating. It's a empty praise because Sanji still took damage. my perspective on that comment...praise for knowing coa haki, yes. Yet he still took damage as to why he fell on the floor after. That's corny because a haki sword is gonna cut sanji.
Methinks Vergo gets downgraded to make Sanji look bad as they can claim he lost to someone who's not that good of a fighter. I reiterate, there's rarely a good argument against Sanji. The bias against him is far too strong.
I think all of the Doffy pirates get downplayed because only Franky & Zoro participated in taking down an executive along with Robin who played a support role. All 3 never went all out. Franky fought a manly fight only physical...Robin was defensive & support..& Zoro was too far above his opponent.
Vergo is hands down superior to Smoker, A VA he has rank over...Vergo also lost to Law Mid-Diff, being arrogant thinking he was stronger and having a handicap. Smoker if i recall barely touched Law, who pretty much low-diff him....Sanji I'm sorry to say is at the bottom of this totem pole. He is on Smoker level or slightly below it..
Zoro has shown enough hype and feats, from not going all out, that he would have a similar fight with Vergo, as law did. But he'll win mid diff the same way.
Diamante who i don't like his threat level doesn't warrant his position. However Kyros is actually pretty strong, and with only 1 leg defeated him.
Pica can give almost anyone a mid diff fight because of his abilities. But the #1 ingredient to defeat him is attacks with huge AOE, & power. Both Luffy and Sanji has that...Sanji has not shown us he possess power similar to G3 Luffy attacks...Zoro on the other hand has and better...His Mountain of cutting technique is on par with G4 Kong Gun...head cannon yes..but it's how I see the power levels
Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious who is the toughest opponent from Doffy's executives. Pica gave them trouble more than any other and it requires attacks with high destructive power to beat him, unless he fights in desert(as someone mentioned earlier) or on a ship. Even without his DF he has shown full-body hardening, something that not many people did.
Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious who is the toughest opponent from Doffy's executives. Pica gave them trouble more than any other and it requires attacks with high destructive power to beat him, unless he fights in desert(as someone mentioned earlier) or on a ship. Even without his DF he has shown full-body hardening, something that not many people did.
Indeed. The moment Pica went down, everything was straight forward for the protagonists in Dressrosa and the arc started heading towards its climax.
He was a very troublesome obstacle second only to Doffy in causing chaos and destruction (hell sometimes he caused even more destruction).
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For those still wondering about Smoothie, her DF, etc. Here's info from Oda in an SBS:
Q: Hello Oda-sensei. I was reading Ch. 894 and isn’t Smoothie really huge?? Why?? What kind of power does she have? Also why is her sword wet in the same chapter? P.N. No Name OP Fan Whose Name Can Just Be That-chan
A: In the end, I wasn’t able to draw why that page was relevant in this arc but Smoothie ate the “Shibo Shibo no Mi” and became a dehydration human. She can squeeze the juice out of her enemies and slice them with her sword to pull out all their water content to completely dry them out. The water she steals can be stored in her own body, causing her to increase in size. She can also shoot the water out as an attack. She’s strong.
Shibo shibo no mi means squeeze squeeze fruit (or wring wring fruit - official translation)
If you would misunderstand less what people write, there would be a lot less arguing about things that you misunderstand. It happens way too often so please read stuff more carefully. This is advice to help you improve your posts so they don't create unnecessary arguing.
Only those who seem to have a problem when Sanji get defended, I am fine on other formats, but guys like you always want to insert yourself if praise is given to Sanji. Your putting words in your own mouth than I am doing. Please learn to accept your countered and accept mistakes as at least I know mine unlike yours that others outspoken you many times on.
By 'headcannon' you mean. You favorite word to say after all .
Somehow I see Daifuku above Oven a little bit. Bought fought Sanji briefly or were in a small skirmish. Sanji landed a kick on Oven and it seemed he took little damage but it hurt him. Daifukus genie is part of his power, so when Sanji fought the Genie, I believe (feel free to say otherwise) the Genie was stronger than Sanji. So that’s what I based it off on. Oven has more destructive/harmful capability as shown when he boiled the seawater & harmed the fish man pirates. Yet I see both of them above Perospero, that’s just my opinion. My BMP power list would be:
Dogtooth, Smoothie, Cracker, Snack, Daifuku, Oven, Perospero, Tamago, Pekoms etc.
I see them both underneath Sanji should they couldn't even handle him when he wasn't focus on fighting much. Oven took heavy damage just from Sanji's unnamed kick and send him flying while Daifuku especially his Genie was pushed back by him many times and couldn't even damage him the second time when he block his giant version with Armament Haki. Both truly couldn't compete with him. Though will say Daifuku is stronger one as his Genie can be more well rounded, and being older seems to prove your stronger than your siblings as Katakuri is the strongest of the triplets so it maybe possible for him. Though have to see both in a full fight more on what they can do.
Seriously not even hating. It's a empty praise because Sanji still took damage. my perspective on that comment...praise for knowing coa haki, yes. Yet he still took damage as to why he fell on the floor after. That's corny because a haki sword is gonna cut sanji.
I think all of the Doffy pirates get downplayed because only Franky & Zoro participated in taking down an executive along with Robin who played a support role. All 3 never went all out. Franky fought a manly fight only physical...Robin was defensive & support..& Zoro was too far above his opponent.
Vergo is hands down superior to Smoker, A VA he has rank over...Vergo also lost to Law Mid-Diff, being arrogant thinking he was stronger and having a handicap. Smoker if i recall barely touched Law, who pretty much low-diff him....Sanji I'm sorry to say is at the bottom of this totem pole. He is on Smoker level or slightly below it..
Zoro has shown enough hype and feats, from not going all out, that he would have a similar fight with Vergo, as law did. But he'll win mid diff the same way.
Diamante who i don't like his threat level doesn't warrant his position. However Kyros is actually pretty strong, and with only 1 leg defeated him.
Pica can give almost anyone a mid diff fight because of his abilities. But the #1 ingredient to defeat him is attacks with huge AOE, & power. Both Luffy and Sanji has that...Sanji has not shown us he possess power similar to G3 Luffy attacks...Zoro on the other hand has and better...His Mountain of cutting technique is on par with G4 Kong Gun...head cannon yes..but it's how I see the power levels
You are dude. We seen how you post before. Why you think others are also defending about it? Sanji never took damage from Judge that much and none at all when he uses Haki to block attack. You can see aftermath of the fight. He hardly hurt and implied heavily he gave up due to being sickening after the human shields, not because Judge was stronger one as clearly shown in the fight he cheat to try to win. Also how? Daifuku try to hit him with his blade, never once cut Sanji as his feet are strong, if not stronger than to be cut down. Blades are no weaknesses to him.
Nah, Sanji is way above those two on how he handle Vergo. They need to team up while Sanji hold him off only by himself. Idk where you get the idea he is lower when Vergo couldn't take down one guy, but was able to bring both Law and Smoker to the ground. Listen, if you hate Sanji, it's alright. We won't judge, but downplaying blantly as this with ignoring crucial context makes you look like a hater than unbiased users. I would put Sanji with Law since if fresher without their handicaps, they could have beaten Vergo solo.
Not really. He gets trounced by Fujitora, Doflamingo via Birdcage, and latest is Hawkins. He isn't hype, he gets 'over'hype as he has yet to show he can defeat a serious opponent and still get downed when confrontation of them. When he can take on legit opponent, we can put him up higher, but so far his past opponents like Hody (Before Drugs), Monet, and Pica are nothing to write home about compare to opponents of others especially Luffy and Sanji facing more dire threats.
Sanji DJ is equal to G2/G3 as shown when both team up in blocking Big Mom's attack to protect Reiju. Idk where you get he isn't equal to Luffy's Gears as he is. Zoro's attack isn't onpar with G4 at all. Don't overhype things like that especially you can't compare Pica to Doflamingo as same lvl. Pica is weaker to Doflamingo by far especially in physical fight. Doflamingo was all around monster in many stats and departments. Your confusing the power lvls as you think all their opponents are equal with other characters when they arena and not equal with others when they are. You got to work on more how you see opponents and fights more, Genesis.
Moe stop trolling. Have you ever seen the destructive ability of G3? It's splitting Navi ships in half and wrecking Noah. When has Sanji done something that comes even close to the same universe of that destructiveness?
Moe stop trolling. Have you ever seen the destructive ability of G3? It's splitting Navi ships in half and wrecking Noah. When has Sanji done something that comes even close to the same universe of that destructiveness?
Thanks for not countering my statement again. Please learn not to take things seriously and everyone a troll ? Oda visible shows they ate equal to each other especially the Enies Lobby Arc when he show off their new techniques in defeating CP9 members .
Have you also seen Sanji destroy buildings, kick the ground to leave cracks in it as well damage steel? There are also destructive moves like Anti-Matter Kick and kick techniques I haven't discuss yet and he haven't shown in NW in many formats yet.
Only you who always like to stay in background. Sanji is did handle him by himself and wasn't 100% that moment. Meaning if he was fresher, he would win.
I also give dues to Law and Smoker as well. Had Law not lost his heart and Smoker not fighting for another reason to help Law, but would defeat them solo (Bit more on Smoker side though).
Moe stop trolling. Have you ever seen the destructive ability of G3? It's splitting Navi ships in half and wrecking Noah. When has Sanji done something that comes even close to the same universe of that destructiveness? 
? Oda visible shows they ate equal to each other especially the Enies Lobby Arc when he show off their new techniques in defeating CP9 members