One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[McNuss]

Well technically it is possible to make an objective Tier List, if you predetermine criteria on how to evaluate the characters, then go through a full reread. I obviously didn't do that, I once tried and got till the Arlong Park arc, but then it bored me, or rather I enjoyed reading the Story more than analysing it.

 

[M3J]

Well, exactly the point I'm making. And no I'm not against these posts, just tend to not take them seriously.

But I'm saying that yours and Moe's posts were irrelevant and looked like angry posts enough that you took others' opinions seriously.

Guys, the very point of this thread is to discuss power levels...
It goes without saying that all these rankings are subjective, as objective as we try to be, no need to point it out, everyone is aware of it.
It is not easy to discuss power levels or come to an understanding when it comes to them but it's the purpose of the thread.
Post your rankings so we can do exactly that - discuss.

exactly.


Do readers still claim Big Mom is the weakest Yonkou or weaker than Kaidou? Because lol if they do

 

[King Moe]

But I'm saying that yours and Moe's posts were irrelevant and looked like angry posts enough that you took others' opinions seriously.


exactly.


Do readers still claim Big Mom is the weakest Yonkou or weaker than Kaidou? Because lol if they do

Wouldn't that be your opinion though? Your right now taking it seriously after we said our peace. We weren't angry or anything, if you don't like it, we just don't. If we were upset, we would washout, but not like with those posts. Got learn not to not take things seriously and understand opinions are opinions.

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Anywho lets move on if you guys are ready not to take opinions seriously like you did with ours and accept logical views around. Now we seen an glimpse of all Calamities of their powers. Who would you all think would win a fight?

Queen vs Katakuri or better yet Calamities vs Sweet Commanders against each other?

 

[Deleted member 169696]

But I'm saying that yours and Moe's posts were irrelevant and looked like angry posts enough that you took others' opinions seriously.

Ok, this is already off-topic, so whatever. I'll just pretend that I agree with you. Yes, I'm very angry, ooh, I'm so filled with hatred.

Anywho lets move on if you guys are ready not to take opinions seriously like you did with ours and accept logical views around. Now we seen an glimpse of all Calamities of their powers. Who would you all think would win a fight?

Queen vs Katakuri or better yet Calamities vs Sweet Commanders against each other?

I assume that Queen must be somewhat stronger from a physical standpoint, but overall, as for a zoan, I can't think of any special powers for him. It will all come down to how fast he is, I guess. For him to even be able to land a hit on Katakuri and of course overcome Katakuri's future-sight.

But as a top yonko commander he surely must be decently fast to at least be able to compete with other yonko commander imo. Plus he is into tech stuff so he probably compensates for that with his (biological) weapon arsenal.

 

[Brandish μ]

Okay guys we can end the opinion/assuming others are passive aggressive topic here.

You can do power tiers if you like, it's just a big version of X vs Y.

You can also criticise that process if you want to.

That's the idea of this thread.

 

[M3J]

Wonder what really knocked out Big Mom. Can't have just been Queen if he could still stand while the person with one of the best defense got knocked out... unless her defense was nowhere near what it'd be if she still had her memory and sound mind.

 

[King Moe]

Wonder what really knocked out Big Mom. Can't have just been Queen if he could still stand while the person with one of the best defense got knocked out... unless her defense was nowhere near what it'd be if she still had her memory and sound mind.

Well neither were using Haki seemingly, but still for Queen to be powerful enough to damage her to get her memories back shows he got a lot of attack and defense normally despite we haven't seen much of his full power yet at all. Katakuri while he does have future sight, don't know if his power can match same as Queen head-on fight from the looks of it.

 

[M3J]

And it's gotten me curious about who's stronger between him and Luffy as Luffy was useless. But we also know that Big Mom's defense depends on her state of mind, given when she was having a breakdown she went from tanking a G4 punch without an issue to bleeding from her knees hitting the ground.

 

[XXGenesis]

Wonder what really knocked out Big Mom. Can't have just been Queen if he could still stand while the person with one of the best defense got knocked out... unless her defense was nowhere near what it'd be if she still had her memory and sound mind.

Location of the hit..The Head
The character that did it. All-star Queen The Plague.
Weight of the attack. A Giant Bronchosrous skydive headbutt.
She already suffered head trauma earlier in the arc.

I'm not mad in the manner in how Queen managed to hurt BM. Luffy was 1hit by Kiadou But he's still wasn't on Katakuri lv while Queen managed to recover from 2 hits from BM. & force a K.O. So if it wasnt obvious before, High commanders are still stronger than Luffy.

As for ranking list, Tier list or w/e...I love the idea but sometimes it just doesn't suit a series no matter how hard you try. Usopp who would have to be party of the lowest tiers in One Piece in the right situation can defeat a much higher tier.

I don't like tiers for One Piece given how flexible abilities & DF powers are..but just gotta learn when not to shit on the parade lol. or how to be tactful about it.

 

[M3J]

The head trauma could have been the result of her hitting her head while underwater, no? Or did I forget something? Does a spinning toss count as a hit?

Lists aren't bad, but it's also hard to group them in a manga like OP, where it's also about who vs. who. Example would be Perona vs. the STraw Hats - Luffy is the best fighter on the crew and arguably superior to Perona, but he'd lose thanks to her fruit while Usopp would win as he's unaffected by her ghosts' negativity. we still wouldn't give Usopp even one or two ranks below Luffy, even despite the fact that Usopp did deal some damage to Luffy when he left the crew.

 

[nik87]

The thing is tho, BM wasnt knocked out, she fell asleep. When knocked out Oda never draws a Snore sfx and the sleep bubble. Queen's hit was strong enough to shake her head to regain memories but aside from that, nothing.

Obvious case of plot element,imo. Udon reached boiling point and plot kicks in to release the pressure and now Luffy is back vs fodder.

As for Queen vs Katakuri or any Calamity vs Katakuri, they stand 0 chance against mochi pelikan eel.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

I assume that Queen must be somewhat stronger from a physical standpoint

Head cannon

And it's gotten me curious about who's stronger between him and Luffy as Luffy was useless.

You: "Luffy was useless"
Me: What Manga are u reading?

before, High commanders are still stronger than Luffy

Head cannon.

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So do we all pretend not to see this?

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Queen could've died at this moment if Big Mom wasn't so tired and sleepy...

Even Jimbe showed better feats than getting scared in front of an actual Big Mom.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Head cannon

Assuming Queen is physically stronger than Katakuri is a head cannon?

You need to check the definition of "assume"...

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Assuming Queen is physically stronger than Katakuri is a head cannon?

You need to check the definition of "assume"...

I somehow missed that part.

 

[XXGenesis]

@AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA

What chapters have you been reading
. It's not my headcannon
it's a fact Luffy is weaker than Queen & King roght now...Hes weaker than Marco he's weaker than Ben beckman....

But your headcannon response was so arrogant l, I'm not expecting a reasonable exchange. Don't get why yoibwould feel thays head cannon when its simply true

 

[King Moe]

Head cannon




You: "Luffy was useless"
Me: What Manga are u reading?



Head cannon.

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So do we all pretend not to see this?

View media item 22911
Queen could've died at this moment if Big Mom wasn't so tired and sleepy...

Even Jimbe showed better feats than getting scared in front of an actual Big Mom.

Headcannon your opinion. Yeah he was scared, but still take action prior against her even shock when she first appear. So your saying to ignore his feats of him taking few blows of an enraged Big Mom and yet still got back up and damage her enough to get memories back and actually HURTING (Emphasizing, not yelling) than anyone else we seen thus far? That's kinda ignorant there, no offense.

It's fine he is scared. Luffy and others were scared/shock too, but does that mean Luffy will no longer continue fighting and won't faced Kaido? It won't change anything just like it doesn't with Queen even scared, is the only one to confront her in the end. That doesn't take away his feats at all.

Which is why if a fight between Queen vs Katakuri happened, it be probably extreme fight, while Katakuri got advantage to predict moves, Idk his strength can compare to Queen on attack and defense especially this isn't his full power he just shown too of to use Haki and Zoan forms.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

it's a fact Luffy is weaker than Queen & King roght now...Hes weaker

And where are you getting this fact from cos from what I've read in the Manga, Luffy hasn't fought any Calamity yet.
So prove how he's weaker than Queen or King.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

he's weaker than Ben beckman....

Based on which facts? The last real combatthing we have seen from Ben is shooting a bandit if i recall correctly. He threatened Kizaru, but that didnt stopped him at all.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

It's fine he is scared. Luffy and others were scared/shock too

No being scared is different from being shocked/surprised. At the first entrance of O-Lin, they were all shocked to see her.

In the panel I posted, Queen was scared (about to shit his pants) cos he knew her vibe had changed. It wasn't O-Lin (Big Mom with memory loss) anymore, it's BIG MOM.
My point is she could've killed him with soul pocus at that very moment but plot didn't allow it. Oda had to bring up the fact that she was already exhausted and sleepy to write Queen out of that situation.

We all know how soul pocus works. Fear her and you die.

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Luffy and others were scared/shock too, but does that mean Luffy will no longer continue fighting and won't faced Kaido?

Luffy isn't cared of Kaido. Quit grabbing on straws.

Idk his strength can compare to Queen on attack and defense especially this isn't his full power he just shown too of to use Haki and Zoan forms.

What are you talking about?
These are the strongest guys you'll find in the series bar Yonko and admirals yet you are asking if Katakuri's strength can compare to Queen in attack or defence?
Rather you should be asking if Queen's strength can compare to Katakuri cos we've seen what Dogtooth can do and barely seen Queen in combat.
Do you even know how comparisons work?

Until Queen is given more screen time with people of his callibre, his actual level of attack or defence is still pretty ambiguous.
We know they are all strong (the YCs) but how strong is the issue now and his showings against Big Mom was lame.

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But your headcannon response was so arrogant l, I'm not expecting a reasonable exchange. Don't get why yoibwould feel thays head cannon when its simply true

It is head cannon if you have no proof from the Manga. That's a made up assumption that you call true.

He defeated Cracker and Katakuri by his own strength and you say he's weaker than them.

I really don't get this logic. So the one who defeats his opponent in combat is weaker while the loser is stronger.
Excellent!

 

[King Moe]

No being scared is different from being shocked/surprised. At the first entrance of O-Lin, they were all shocked to see her.

In the panel I posted, Queen was scared (about to shit his pants) cos he knew her vibe had changed. It wasn't O-Lin (Big Mom with memory loss) anymore, it's BIG MOM.
My point is she could've killed him with soul pocus at that very moment but plot didn't allow it. Oda had to bring up the fact that she was already exhausted and sleepy to write Queen out of that situation.

We all know how soul pocus works. Fear her and you die.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 7, 2019, Original Post Date: Jul 7, 2019 ---

Luffy isn't cared of Kaido. Quit grabbing on straws.




What are you talking about?
These are the strongest guys you'll find in the series bar Yonko and admirals yet you are asking if Katakuri's strength can compare to Queen in attack or defence?
Rather you should be asking if Queen's strength can compare to Katakuri cos we've seen what Dogtooth can do and barely seen Queen in combat.
Do you even know how comparisons work?

Until Queen is given more screen time with people of his callibre, his actual level of attack or defence is still pretty ambiguous.
We know they are all strong (the YCs) but how strong is the issue now and his showings against Big Mom was lame.

Of course he wouldn't win in a full-out fight, but this isn't about Queen vs Big Mom, we talking Queen vs Katakuri as we know this far that Yonko are stronger than their Yonko Commanders, but you denying the feats to be use in the fight in Katakuri like it didn't matter at all and he in same league as Big Mom when he isn't either. Saying 'headcannon' it won't matter is still ignorant about it as Katakuri is not same as Big Mom, he fights differently than her, not same abilities and powers.

Not as 'scared, scared', but he is worry on him after being beaten and have to take him seriously. Same with Big Mom when she show up as he knows he doesn't have strength yet to hurt Yonkos atm, but still training to do so. Got understand how people write and meant things as I am not only one posting on you how you came in with your posts.

Where he has shown to have enough power to withstand Big Mom and they are equal and he can hit Queen harder compare to Big Mom who took few blows from her angry and yet still got back up and his power despite not going full power was strong enough to hurt her head and bring back her memories? Katakuri was fighting with Luffy and show a lot of moves, Yes, but don't think it be same lvl of strength as Big Mom especially he wouldn't dare to defy her and even scared of her to not fight back with her. Kinda showing and heavily hinting more Queen got more power than him. Queen already got feats to withstand a lot and have power to proof in his regular Zoan form, so just think with Haki and more Zoan forms he can dish out? Of course we going to see more for Queen and other Calamities, but right now they proven to have more power backing for them right now.