One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Of course he wouldn't win in a full-out fight, but this isn't about Queen vs Big Mom

What?
What brought this?
Queen didn't last a minute against Big Mom and you are talking full-out fight.

So your saying to ignore his feats of him taking few blows of an enraged Big Mom and yet still got back up and damage her enough to get memories back and actually HURTING (Emphasizing, not yelling) than anyone else we seen thus far? That's kinda ignorant there, no offense

Taking few blows? lol
Your reading comprehension is poor here.
Big Mom never punched Queen. She only touched him twice. Took his head to the ground and then flung him away and you are arguing: "taking few blows of an enraged Big Mom".
Take my advice and go read chapter 946 and 947 again.

Not as 'scared, scared', but he is worry on him after being beaten and have to take him seriously. Same with Big Mom when she show up as he knows he doesn't have strength yet to hurt Yonkos atm, but still training to do so. Got understand how people write and meant things as I am not only one posting on you how you came in with your posts.

Construct your words well as I don't understand a damn word you are saying here.

Kinda showing and heavily hinting more Queen got more power than him. Queen already got feats to withstand a lot and have power to proof in his regular Zoan form, so just think with Haki and more Zoan forms he can dish out? Of course we going to see more for Queen and other Calamities, but right now they proven to have more power backing for them right now.

There's basically no feat from Queen if that's were you are going. He wasn't punched or struck with anything.
He was simply flung and yet he was out from that.
Getting back up is not a feat here.

That's the lamest showing I've seen from a YC since Smoothie's lack of panel time in WCI.

 

[XXGenesis]

Oda doesn't need to draw a panel of show explicit feats of Doffy defeating Zoro for viewers to understand the context of the story that Zoro, has not been shown, foreshadowed or hinted at that he's weaker. if you can understand that

then you have the comprehension to understand the whole Udon, arc and what Oda has been saying in context. Queen doesn't need feats he has all the hype, Luffy is inferior to him. Doesn't matter if Queen is stronger or weaker than Dogtooth thats not the comparison being made. Because Luffy isn't on Dogtooth lv either.

For the simple fact, majority of the community, knew and understood that Queen is above Luffy and it would be one hell of a fight for Luffy to win. Im not going to go navj and firthbwithbyku and reading into the hyoe or context of the hierarchy of stronger charcters in a arc

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Oda doesn't need to draw a panel of show explicit feats of Doffy defeating Zoro for viewers to understand the context of the story that Zoro, has not been shown, foreshadowed or hinted at that he's weaker. if you can understand that

then you have the comprehension to understand the whole Udon, arc and what Oda has been saying in context. Queen doesn't need feats he has all the hype, Luffy is inferior to him. Doesn't matter if Queen is stronger or weaker than Dogtooth thats not the comparison being made. Because Luffy isn't on Dogtooth lv either.

For the simple fact, majority of the community, knew and understood that Queen is above Luffy and it would be one hell of a fight for Luffy to win. Im not going to go navj and firthbwithbyku and reading into the hyoe or context of the hierarchy of stronger charcters in a arc

Rather you refuse to see the parallels.
Whoever Luffy defeats, he becomes stronger than them because after virtually every battle he grows exponentially stronger than his previous self.

Wano Luffy is superior to WCI Luffy, who is superior to Dressrosa Luffy and it goes on.
We see this continuously that once he overcomes an opponent, he becomes stronger than them.

It's pretty dumb to say Katakuri is stronger than current Luffy as we saw him defeat Dogtooth and we've evidently seen him get stronger.
And take it or leave it. He's currently stronger than most YCs.

The fact that he'll bring down Kaido in a matter of days should be glaringly obvious by now.
A YC stands 0 chance against a Yonko yet Luffy will take down one.
Someone who you say is weaker than Katakuri and Queen will take down Kaido?

Ridiculous!

 

[Luke Beifong]

I said it before and I wasn’t change my mind yet. I can’t see Luffy beating Kaido alone, no matter how much he train in this days before the festival. What I think will happens is Luffy and the SN together will beat Kaido (can be similar to the battle with Dofly, no problem) and in the next arc, this time truly alone, he beats BM

 

[M3J]

You: "Luffy was useless"
Me: What Manga are u reading?

One Piece manga: Luffy punches Big Mom with Sanji and using Gear 4, both times seem to not affect her at all.
One Piece manga: Luffy punches Kaidou and attacks him multiple times, which seems to have no affect on Kaidou overall, and he knocks out Luffy in one go.
You: this isn't One Piece!!
Me:

Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary. Unlike Luffy vs. Queen or King, we actually have proof that Luffy was unable to do anything to either Emperor. I'm not sure why there's an argument in regards to that when all anyone has to go by is assumption, and using Katakuri purposely losing doesn't really matter much because as you said, Luffy's stronger now than he was back then.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

One Piece manga: Luffy punches Big Mom with Sanji and using Gear 4, both times seem to not affect her at all.
One Piece manga: Luffy punches Kaidou and attacks him multiple times, which seems to have no affect on Kaidou overall, and he knocks out Luffy in one go.
You: this isn't One Piece!!
Me:

This cracked me up.
If that's what you mean by useless, sure I agree.

 

[M3J]

then wtf are you arguing about?

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

then wtf are you arguing about?

That he's been useless the past 2 chapters.

 

[King Moe]

That he's been useless the past 2 chapters.

Think you came in without reading or understand what we were doing here. Gotta try read first or you going to make everyone think you were paying attention at all to the series and current events. Just friendly advice xD.

 

[M3J]

That he's been useless the past 2 chapters.

Oh. I don't think he's been useless, but now I'm wondering how he'd do against Big Mom now with the new haki.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Think you came in without reading or understand what we were doing here. Gotta try read first or you going to make everyone think you were paying attention at all to the series and current events. Just friendly advice xD.

Tell that to yourself bud.

 

[King Moe]

Tell that to yourself bud.

Looking how others are responding, yeah it's just you. Just advice, so don't get heated and make a scene please.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Looking how others are responding, yeah it's just you. Just advice, so don't get heated and make a scene please.

Like I said...

 

[King Moe]

So can we get back on true topic before we get sidetracked by someone? Queen vs Katakuri or perhaps Calamities vs Sweet Commanders on who would win against each other.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Oh. I don't think he's been useless, but now I'm wondering how he'd do against Big Mom now with the new haki.

He might not get the chance to test it on her again.
He'll have to make do with fodders or just go head on with Kaido half-cocked.

 

[M3J]

You're that someone. Jeez.


I dunno, if Big Mom is destined to be the weaker Yonkou, then I could see Luffy testing his new skills out against her. Although, I think she could also be a way to show how much stronger he's gotten, if he beats Kaidou with help.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Although, I think she could also be a way to show how much stronger he's gotten, if he beats Kaidou with help.

Yeah it'll be sweeter if the story went that way.
Brings back memories of discussions during WCI when most people were assuming the first Yonko to go down would be the weakest. Cos they wanted Big Mom down badly. The poor woman was even labelled "weakest Yonko" for a while.

I wonder what people will say if Kaido went down first but I'm pretty sure he won't get the weakest Yonko tag.

 

[King Moe]

You're that someone. Jeez.


I dunno, if Big Mom is destined to be the weaker Yonkou, then I could see Luffy testing his new skills out against her. Although, I think she could also be a way to show how much stronger he's gotten, if he beats Kaidou with help.

M3J, not helping your case either. Telling me off won't stop other who change conversation. All I ask for was Queen vs Katakuri, not talk into something else. Geez -.-.

I feel Queen has more on his arsenals so feel a fight between him and Katakuri will be extreme, but more favor of Queen after latest events with Big Mom.

 

[nik87]

All I ask for was Queen vs Katakuri,

Katakuri>=King
Katakuri>Queen
Katakuri>Jack

King>=Smoothie
King>Cracker

Queen~Smoothie
Queen=<Cracker

Jack=<Cracker
Jack=<Smoothie

 

[M3J]

Yeah it'll be sweeter if the story went that way.
Brings back memories of discussions during WCI when most people were assuming the first Yonko to go down would be the weakest. Cos they wanted Big Mom down badly. The poor woman was even labelled "weakest Yonko" for a while.

I wonder what people will say if Kaido went down first but I'm pretty sure he won't get the weakest Yonko tag.

oH yeah, I'd love it, and it'd be more believable over Luffy beating Kaidou by himself despite being one-shot.

I think they wanted her to go down first because they wanted Luffy to take on and beat a Yonkou right off the bat to the point that they were willing to make up all sorts of shit about her just to try to delude themselves into thinking she'd lose. Like, all the evidence was there that Luffy is inferior but they were having none of it.

M3J, not helping your case either. Telling me off won't stop other who change conversation. All I ask for was Queen vs Katakuri, not talk into something else. Geez -.-.

I feel Queen has more on his arsenals so feel a fight between him and Katakuri will be extreme, but more favor of Queen after latest events with Big Mom.

Then
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