One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[M3J]

Yet the man got back up and still conscious. His durability is really great along with his strength on being first so far that hurt Big Mom and her 'natural' defense she has since she got her memories back.

Being spun around isn't a big deal though, that doesn't cause much damage depending on what Queen collides with. And Big Mom barely seemed hurt. Not sure why he's being so hyped up when he fell flat against Big Mom, which is understandable.

 

[King Moe]

Being spun around isn't a big deal though, that doesn't cause much damage depending on what Queen collides with. And Big Mom barely seemed hurt. Not sure why he's being so hyped up when he fell flat against Big Mom, which is understandable.

He was sprung around after being slam head first into the ground. Afterwards he was send flying into an hard wall and still was conscious through that.

Cause no one on-screen ever damage her until now. There has to be damage if she got her memory back and she was enraged? Pretty sure Big Mom was trying to hurt him. Her natural strength is no joke even with amnesia. Idk why you guys underestimating Calamities thinking they aren't tough when face with. Of course in full fight they will lose to an Yonko, but there are still YCs, so still deadly strong in their own right.

 

[Shasha23]

He was sprung around after being slam head first into the ground. Afterwards he was send flying into an hard wall and still was conscious through that.

Cause no one on-screen ever damage her until now. There has to be damage if she got her memory back and she was enraged? Pretty sure Big Mom was trying to hurt him. Her natural strength is no joke even with amnesia. Idk why you guys underestimating Calamities thinking they aren't tough when face with. Of course in full fight they will lose to an Yonko, but there are still YCs, so still deadly strong in their own right.

Why are you still liying even now?

 

[M3J]

He was sprung around after being slam head first into the ground. Afterwards he was send flying into an hard wall and still was conscious through that.

Cause no one on-screen ever damage her until now. There has to be damage if she got her memory back and she was enraged? Pretty sure Big Mom was trying to hurt him. Her natural strength is no joke even with amnesia. Idk why you guys underestimating Calamities thinking they aren't tough when face with. Of course in full fight they will lose to an Yonko, but there are still YCs, so still deadly strong in their own right.

Isn't that usual? Doflamingo got kicked through a stone wall and was still awake, for example.

Big Mom didn't look damaged at all, it's possible her defense wasn't up to usual standards, so her brain got rattled, and she got her memory back. For some reason she fell asleep, which might be connected to the punch, but she showed no other signs of damage.

 

[hokageji]

I think her sleep cannot be credited to Queen, but her physical and mental exhaustion.

 

[Shasha23]

I think her sleep cannot be credited to Queen, but her physical and mental exhaustion.

yeap even before they got to that prison she was complaining about hunger and sleep

 

[King Moe]

Isn't that usual? Doflamingo got kicked through a stone wall and was still awake, for example.

Big Mom didn't look damaged at all, it's possible her defense wasn't up to usual standards, so her brain got rattled, and she got her memory back. For some reason she fell asleep, which might be connected to the punch, but she showed no other signs of damage.

Of course that won't defeat her, but she still syatated afterwards her head hurts because of it. That's her words. The context shows it hurt her enough to say that and still Queen the one to give her back her memories overall.

If so, then she wouldn't hurt Queen as much if her natural power wasn't the same. That goes with her regular stats. Memories doesn't affect her natural body on what it is. Queen still contribute to that in helping tiring her out and giving pain to her head. Pretty sure Oda would write it another way if Queen truly did nothing to add to it, but shows after she admits pain from the attack.

 

[M3J]

And she was still ready to fight until she fell asleep for some reason.

Something affects her natural body because we've seen her bleed when she was mentally traumatized or something.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Kaido fall down as he wants too

So Kaido told you he fell down because he wanted to. Now you aren't just capable of misreading but also blind judgement of why a character did x thing.
Since you so easily forget your One Piece. It'll be in your best interest to remind you that Kaido was flying towards Oden castle and didn't just fall down cos gravity failed him or because he wanted to. Luffy hit him down.

Again you seem to misunderstand where me and Genesis are saying about situation. We both know in an full fight

What nonsense are you bringing up? Full fight has always been your go to word where Queen is concerned.
He went down in seconds and would've died in seconds were it not for Oda saving his skin. He's already got luck that rivals Luffy's, that I agree.
It wasn't a battle between 2 YCs, there's a huge gap here that means getting one shot, two shot, and easily floored.
I don't know why you're grasping at straws but Queen stands 0 chance vs Big Mom was what we saw in the Manga. There will never be a full fight cos all it'll take is a few hits and he's down for good.

Again you seem to misunderstand where me and Genesis are saying about situation.

Speak for yourself bud. @XXGenesis would explain himself if he was getting misunderstood. Stop hiding behind other's backs.

Blackbeard? Oh yeah he did attack Whitebeard while he was weaken from the War, but you seem to ignore his feats of him beating and capturing Ace, 2nd Commander of Whitebeard Pirates, defeating Macro and Whitebeard Pirates within 2 year timeskip, able to damage and permanently scarred Shanks' eye which Shanks confirmed to NOT TO UNDERESTIMATE (Emphasizing, not yelling) Blackbeard, etc..

See how you misunderstood my comparison between Blackbeard and Queen?
And you are one to blab about context yet you can't understand a mere reader's comments much less Oda's.
At least you show hints of understanding from your first line before the deviation.
Did I mention anything about Blackbeard lacking feats?
Rather I compared Queen's sneaky move to that of BB's and you're already going haywire.

Perhaps I should put in context so your fantasy logic doesn't go off the rails.

My comparison of both Queen and BB means that when it comes to people above their power level, both characters do not mind to resort to cowardly means in order to save themselves or achieve their goals.

Blackbeard was not Yonko lvl pre TS. So he had his fears in battle. Facing the likes of Whitebeard, any Yonko, Akainu in one on one combat would mean death.

He's now a Yonko so he's most likely beyond cowardly acts now as there is no one above the Yonko power level as is apparent.

 

[King Moe]

And she was still ready to fight until she fell asleep for some reason.

Something affects her natural body because we've seen her bleed when she was mentally traumatized or something.

I know, but Queen still played a part for that to happen nonetheless as she regain everything going on her system after her memories came back overall.

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So Kaido told you he fell down because he wanted to. Now you aren't just capable of misreading but also blind judgement of why a character did x thing.
Since you so easily forget your One Piece. It'll be in your best interest to remind you that Kaido was flying towards Oden castle and didn't just fall down cos gravity failed him or because he wanted to. Luffy hit him down.



What nonsense are you bringing up? Full fight has always been your go to word where Queen is concerned.
He went down in seconds and would've died in seconds were it not for Oda saving his skin. He's already got luck that rivals Luffy's, that I agree.
It wasn't a battle between 2 YCs, there's a huge gap here that means getting one shot, two shot, and easily floored.
I don't know why you're grasping at straws but Queen stands 0 chance vs Big Mom was what we saw in the Manga. There will never be a full fight cos all it'll take is a few hits and he's down for good.




Speak for yourself bud. @XXGenesis would explain himself if he was getting misunderstood. Stop hiding behind other's backs.




See how you misunderstood my comparison between Blackbeard and Queen?
And you are one to blab about context yet you can't understand a mere reader's comments much less Oda's.
At least you show hints of understanding from your first line before the deviation.
Did I mention anything about Blackbeard lacking feats?
Rather I compared Queen's sneaky move to that of BB's and you're already going haywire.

Perhaps I should put in context so your fantasy logic doesn't go off the rails.

My comparison of both Queen and BB means that when it comes to people above their power level, both characters do not mind to resort to cowardly means in order to save themselves or achieve their goals.

Blackbeard was not Yonko lvl pre TS. So he had his fears in battle. Facing the likes of Whitebeard, any Yonko, Akainu in one on one combat would mean death.

He's now a Yonko so he's most likely beyond cowardly acts now as there is no one above the Yonko power level as is apparent.

He didn't get push back by G4 when he return to normal, but your saying Luffy push him and damage him while in his Dragon form with G3 easily? Your not making sense at all with your logic and power-scaling at all. Your just trying to force something in your mind when it's not true. Dude please stop if you want to be taken seriously on your side at all.

Nope sounds like your not listening as your selective reading parts of my post and not understand what I am saying. You got context issues if you can't learn to read what something means instead of picking and choosing you want to hear. Main situation is that Big Mom angry attack Queen and he tank 2 of her hits and still got back up easily. Have you seen how she is angry especially when hungry? Her strength is quite unstoppable even when her mind isn't conscious much. For Queen to withstand that and continue fighting to attack her again which leads to him damaging enough to gain her memories, is an absolute feat whether you want to denied it or not. It's canon that it all happen and you can't seem to accept that in your post about it. Idk where your thinking you know what Oda was doing in the scene, but he was showing clearly on situation at hand for it.

Why are you quoting the same thing I said above another line your quoting in your post? Thinking your taking things too seriously here man to try to prove your right. Not taking this seriously and just stating what happen in the manga like it or not. Hiding behind who? Genesis can speak for himself. We not defending each other, just agree on what he said and also speaking against you with his post. I can talk fine on my own, but it seems you need more backing on your side as so far you been taking a lot of things out of context than actually checking them thoroughly.

Once again you talk as if you know what Oda's thinking and his context, but you don't. Your thinking for yourself and so far it's nothing like Oda's at all. Your points are your own opinions, not facts by Oda himself.

Not about feats, but your thinking that if an character shows fear to someone, that they should be underestimate and undermine which is stupid especially these characters are still very strong in their own right and have feats even Queen to show that just because they were scare of Yonko prior, doesn't mean they won't be an Major Threats in the series. Your headcannon is speaking true volumes as we talk as you forgotten the original talk of the debate was Calamities vs Sweet Commanders, not Yonko vs YC cause no matter who, they will all lose. Idk why you want to bring that matchup when it has nothing to do here and plain logic we know that already.

'Blackbeard was not Yonko lvl pre TS. So he had his fears in battle. Facing the likes of Whitebeard, any Yonko, Akainu in one on one combat would mean death.' You said that, but didn't Shanks got his scarred eye from an pre-timeskip Blackbeard before timeskip and even before he got Whitebeard's powers? If it was an cowardly attack, Shanks would have off him already, but for him to do that to Shanks and yet survive shows he wasn't really cowardly to anyone much expect for Whitebeard who he knew for an long time and travel with which make sense. That didn't stop him from fighting with Ace and killing Thatch prior. Oh yeah let's not forget being in the room with the Warlords and also invading Impel Down too. Though yeah he is a 'coward' and 'weak' at that time despite the feats that was given and building before that.

Telling you right now, just because an character showing fear doesn't equal 'Oh! They must be weak or won't be much trouble really' when actuality they are. It doesn't take away nothing from both BB and Queen just because they fear Yonkos especially understandable since Yonkos are on another lvl, but they are still strong and very dangerous in their own right.

Listen if you don't want to agree with me, that's fine, but don't insert headcannon of your end seeing this way when it's not true and also thinking someone doesn't understand Oda's context and yet you think you do and can judge that with your own opinion? Just saying try to be open-minded instead of thinking your side is always on the right.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Blackbeard was not Yonko lvl pre TS. So he had his fears in battle. Facing the likes of Whitebeard, any Yonko, Akainu in one on one combat would mean death.' You said that, but didn't Shanks got his scarred eye from an pre-timeskip Blackbeard before timeskip and even before he got Whitebeard's powers?

Was Shanks a Yonko when he was scarred?
Let's hear it.

Once again you talk as if you know what Oda's thinking and his context, but you don't. Your thinking for yourself and so far it's nothing like Oda's at all. Your points are your own opinions, not facts by Oda himself.

Says a guy who speaks without actually backing up a word from the Manga.

He didn't get push back by G4 when he return to normal, but your saying Luffy push him and damage him while in his Dragon form with G3 easily? Your not making sense at all with your logic and power-scaling at all.

Deny it all you want, like I said when I posted the panel earlier. You are free to talk your way out of it. Kaido felt the hit to his skull. Period.

Genesis can speak for himself. We not defending each other, just agree on what he said and also speaking against you with his post. I can talk fine on my own, but it seems you need more backing on your side as so far you been taking a lot of things out of context than actually checking them thoroughly

How old are you?

 

[Deleted member 169696]

@AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA

Man, read the chapter after that. Luffy continuous to fiercely attack Kaido in his dragon form with Gear 3. Then Kaido transforms back to his original form while Luffy goes all out and activates Gear 4. And yet it had zero effect on Kaido.

There's even a text (narration?) on the first page of that chapter asking rhetorically "how badly did that blow hurt Kaido?"

And in that very chapter we find out that it didn't hurt him all that much. It definitely didn't damage Kaido. Maybe he felt something though, but the hurt must have been miniscule.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

And in that very chapter we find out that it didn't hurt him all that much. It definitely didn't damage Kaido. Maybe he felt something though, but the hurt must have been miniscule.

I'm not saying he damaged Kaido significantly.
But Kaido felt that hit on the head hence he had his eyes whitened.

I remember in the week of that chapter some claiming Kaido bled from that hit but it turned out it was only just effective in bringing him down from the sky. He did feel it though.

The argument that ensued was Kaido's dragon form not fitting for (one on one) combat since he's an easy target in his full Dragon form. Also his attacks are easily evaded. Hence his need to transform back.

After all the pummelling he took, his intoxication wore off and he got sober. He didn't receive any major/significant damage that much is clear.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

I'm not saying he damaged Kaido significantly.
But Kaido felt that hit on the head hence he had his eyes whitened.

I remember in the week of that chapter some claiming Kaido bled from that hit but it turned out it was only just effective in bringing him down from the sky. He did feel it though.

The argument that ensued was Kaido's dragon form not fitting for (one on one) combat since he's an easy target in his full Dragon form. Also his attacks are easily evaded. Hence his need to transform back.

After all the pummelling he took, his intoxication wore off and he got sober. He didn't receive any major/significant damage that much is clear.

I must have missed the point of your argument then, lol.

I honestly think Kaido didn't receive damage. It's kinda his thing. He can feel pain, but receiving damage... I mean he fell from the dam sky ... And nothing happened.

Also I don't think Luffy would want to find a way to pierce through Kaido's "tough scales" if he had already dealt damage to him before. Luffy sounded as though he wasn't able to damage Kaido back then.

 

[nik87]

I don't think neither Kaido nor Big Mom received any damage, BM was just affected by plot element to remove her from Udon, otherwise, Queen and Luffy would have been pulverized by her after she regained her memories. She is too strong to deal with, that's why Oda constantly keeps her under nerfs and gives her bad treatment, to keep the MC safe. Besides, he was hungry and sleepy before she reached Udon so falling asleep may not even be that much of plot assist since it had build up before entering Udon.

 

[Pirate Queen]

What confuses me is that if Luffy's G4 punchable dont hurt Kaido, and these new Haki Infused punches are meant to do just that... Will Luffy's base power > current G4???

And if so the new haki applied to G4 would multiply far beyond what it is right now??

Base Luffy with the ATK power of G4 seems overkill lol

 

[nik87]

What confuses me is that if Luffy's G4 punchable dont hurt Kaido, and these new Haki Infused punches are meant to do just that... Will Luffy's base power > current G4???
And if so the new haki applied to G4 would multiply far beyond what it is right now??
Base Luffy with the ATK power of G4 seems overkill lol

It is very possible that he doesn't end up fighting in G4 because of the time limit and him being basically helpless when he hits the limit.
G4 itself isnt overkill when it comes raw power, at least against Yonkos. It can barely move them or cant move them at all when they defend against it while it sends flying Doflamingo and Katakuri. So, whatever Haki upgrades end up like it seems like they will be the main thing since Boundman still does nothing by itself.

There is, of course, the KKG which most likely will be saved until the very end of the fight. I guess Luffy will spend most of the time fighting in G2 because of G4 negative effects but who knows how it will end up... Maybe he suddenly can fight permanently in Snakeman form but Snakeman lacks power which against puts everything on Haki powerup...

 

[LaGOAT]

Luffy is mid tier yonko commander level at best right now

 

[afromarco005]

Base luffy moments are the most hype like when he stopped DD's foot or when he punched the celestial dragon so I do not mind his best attack to be in his base form with all of his concentration/haki.

Just imagining luffy finishing off Kaido with his new move in his base form makes me wet myself

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Luffy is mid tier yonko commander level at best right now

Not at this point in the story.

 

[LaGOAT]

Base luffy moments are the most hype like when he stopped DD's foot or when he punched the celestial dragon so I do not mind his best attack to be in his base form with all of his concentration/haki.

Just imagining luffy finishing off Kaido with his new move in his base form makes me wet myself

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 1, 2019, Original Post Date: Aug 1, 2019 ---

Not at this point in the story.

Explain yourself