One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[King Moe]

Welp hope this put down those who said Big Mom is the 'weakest' Yonko due to her clash with Kaido along with 'Big Meme' too.

Though honestly see them equally match or maybe Kaido a bit stronger.

 

[LaGOAT]

Welp hhope this put down those who said Big Mom is the 'weakest' Yonko due to her clash with Kaido along with 'Big Meme' too.

Though honestly see them equally match or maybe Kaido a bit stronger.

I mean what I would hope she could clash with Kaido having that same title. Being on the same tier doesn’t mean they equal in strength tho personally I don’t really know who is consider the weakest yonko right now

 

[afromarco005]

I mean what I would hope she could clash with Kaido having that same title. Being on the same tier doesn’t mean they equal in strength tho personally I don’t really know who is consider the weakest yonko right now

I think despite all the hype and the fruits Blackbeard is currently the weakest yonko.

Just like luffy he is the underdog type by the end of the series he will be the strongest yonko for sure.

 

[M3J]

I was thinking that too, especially since the only thing he has to show for it is not being challenged by other Yonkou or even the Marines. Though it also remains to be seen if he's as arrogant as he was or if he's worked on that.

 

[Fox666]

What confuses me is that if Luffy's G4 punchable dont hurt Kaido, and these new Haki Infused punches are meant to do just that... Will Luffy's base power > current G4???

Different applications. This technique seems to be more usefull on bypassing armors and such.

 

[XXGenesis]

It is very possible that he doesn't end up fighting in G4 because of the time limit and him being basically helpless when he hits the limit.
G4 itself isnt overkill when it comes raw power, at least against Yonkos. It can barely move them or cant move them at all when they defend against it while it sends flying Doflamingo and Katakuri. So, whatever Haki upgrades end up like it seems like they will be the main thing since Boundman still does nothing by itself.

There is, of course, the KKG which most likely will be saved until the very end of the fight. I guess Luffy will spend most of the time fighting in G2 because of G4 negative effects but who knows how it will end up... Maybe he suddenly can fight permanently in Snakeman form but Snakeman lacks power which against puts everything on Haki powerup...

Well yea. I hope everyone is aware why Luffy doesn't spam or use G4 too often. G4 uses a lot of Haki. If he doesn't put them down fast he's easy pickings for the next 10mins. ExDoffy vs Luffy. Against Katakuri, he retreated and then held out to the last minutes before he went G4 again.

Luffy has no choice but to use G4. It's his biggest power up and he needs it for simply the power of provides him. I see luffy being able to bring lain to Kaidou in his base form or G2 form. But it's all going to be superficial, damage that Kaidou will be able to shake off and nothing to put hin down. Same as it was with Doffy. Luffy at that time couldn't harm Doffy enough in G2 or G3 that was going to stop him. Until G4, put the beats on. Eame thing with Kaidou, G4 plus haki technique is going to do the damage needed to K.O a yonkou

 

[M3J]

It depends because if Luffy deactivates G4 before his haki runs out, then he can get away. I can see Luffy improving his G4 to the point that he can use it much longer and against tougher opponents, but it'll probably be something ridiculous.

 

[King Moe]

For fun:

God Usopp vs Buggy The (D.) Clown! Who would win (Also literally in a fight) XD?!

 

[Fox666]

Did Buggy ever evolved? Because I think that literally every single villain that Usopp fought in the Grand Line could defeat Buggy.

 

[King Moe]

Did Buggy ever evolved? Because I think that literally every single villain that Usopp fought in the Grand Line could defeat Buggy.

Probably did. He wasn't that weak honestly. He did well in Impel Down and MarineFord. He bound to get stronger after 2 years at least. Maybe not enough on Luffy and certain others, but sure he gotten stronger perhaps.

 

[M3J]

Imagine if Buggy's actually Im and the strongest, but he Tobi'd tf out of everyone as part of his plan. Of course, if Im is about Garp's age then that'd make that theory null.

I do think Buggy's not that strong though, but his devil fruit makes him formidable at least among those who can't use haki because he can't be hurt easily. Wonder if Mihawk didn't use haki because he knew Luffy couldn't defend against the slashes, and that's why Buggy's still alive.

 

[nik87]

I think Buggy cant be hurt even by Haki infused slashes.

 

[Shasha23]

What is this hate on Buggy-sama, lets not forget that out of all the villains Luffy beat in East Blue Buggy was the only one he couldn't solo!

 

[Admiral Teach]

Buggy is an odd case. he did get closer than anyone has to date of killing Luffy. It required a divinely appointed thunderbolt to save him from Buggy's hands. Honestly, he probably was far more powerful in his youth, maybe even on par with younger Shanks. But where Shanks went about gathering a crew and eventually leaving East Blue for the Grand Line, Buggy remained.

Also, let's not forget that Don Kreig was horrified by the Grand Line. Whereas Buggy called it Paradise and said he missed it. He did go through all of the second half of the Grand Line after all. Heck, he and Shanks even targeted Whitebeard back in the day (though who said that now escapes me. I do recall there being a panel of Buggy grasping his knives and Shanks some other weapon, both challenging Whitebeard, so I'm not misremembering, this time). Staying cooped up in East Blue for nigh on 20 odd years left him rusty and weak, with an equally weak crew.

Now, he's likely not much stronger now, or even weaker, actually. He's likely been sitting around giving orders and getting fatter and slower. Would be nice if Oda at least gave him a chance. But he probably has pirate king level potential and any serious training would give him such a lead neither Luffy or me could possibly overcome him.

Seriously though, I'd rate his power as really impressive. If he could divide himself up into particle-sized pieces, non-cutting attacks would easily go right through his "cloud". If he managed even basic CoO and Armament, that would go a long way with such an ability. I don't know if there's a way to overcome his feet on the ground limitation, but with DF powers you never really know... could be he only needs a body part on the ground and could take advantage of that. If he awoke... that would be scary. Chopping up the landscape like Law, but without the Room stamina drain.... dang it. That would be extremely powerful. Imagine if he had control over other people or things he chops? He could literally make a juggling act of the strongest characters, assuming their Haki can't block it. It stops Room shenanigans, so I guess it would apply here too.

Also, he was Franky before Franky. Had a whole go-cart setup. The man was pretty clever with how he worked his powers in with basic technology. Give him something lie Germa, Ussop or Franky technology, and he could be scary versatile.

Last but not least, Oda sensei says he would take the Chop-Chop fruit, or at least it's his favorite. What does he know we don't?

On a related note. Alvida's powers are also pretty slick, no pun intended. Ok, I'm lying. Anyway, if she can make her power like Kuma's, she could simply make damage and fatigue slip off of her! Boundless, or nearly boundless, stamina, and near instant 100% damage reduction. While also dancing around frictionless. Zehahahahah! Now... that's a power I might need to grab for myself!

And I just thought of something. Buggy remained in the East Blue hunting for a clue to Captain John's treasure... Perhaps he was the Lock's/Rock's captain?

 

[M3J]

I think Crocodile deserves that honor, if not Magellan as well, because they both actually fought him and won. When Buggy got him captured, it wasn't because he overpowered Luffy. Though, what could Buggy be capable of if he was serious? So far, after the first arc, I never felt like he was serious or cared to really win.

 

[Fox666]

And I just thought of something. Buggy remained in the East Blue hunting for a clue to Captain John's treasure... Perhaps he was the Lock's/Rock's captain?

Captain John's was among Moriah's zombies, and was crushed by Oars.

 

[McNuss]

I don't think Buggy was ever that strong.

I don't recall him fighting Whitebeard with Shanks either, but I could be missing something. If I remember correctly the only instances where we have seen Buggy on Roger's ship was when he consumed the Devil Fruit and the Battle of At War in Chapter 0.

Anyways Krieg was scared about the Grand Line because of getting destroyed by Mihawk right after entering it. It's not really representative. Buggy on the other hand had already sailed the GL so he knows what to look out for. Still his journey failed and he got imprisoned in Impel Down so he clearly overestimated himself.

Had Krieg not been stopped, he would have been quite terrifying. His Armada would have been too much for most countries to handle.

All of Luffy's East Blue enemies would have been pretty formidable pretty formidable in Paradise though. I don't think there is much difference between them and the likes of Masira, Shojo or any Baroque Works agent from Mr. 4 upwards.

I think the most underrated character is Mr. 3 by the way. His feats are insane. He almost succeeded in in taking out two 100 million Belly giants and half of the Strawhats without much effort. He followed the other BW agents unnoticed and made the entire Marines look like fools by bypassing all of their defenses unnoticed. With the reveal of Advanced CoO, this became even more impressive. He is a master of stealth and a tactical genius.

If Mr. 3 were the subordinate of a Yonko, he would probably surpass 100M himself. Crocodile was a fool for not valuing him.

 

[Admiral Teach]

Recall that Buggy was captured because he waltz like an imbecile into a Marine base. The Grand Line itself didn't defeat him. His idiocy did.

And yes, Mr. 3 really was impressive back in the day and is basically a fire-proof Perospero. Edit: *Facepalm* Nevermind about fire. He's weak to that. I keep for some reason thinking he is resistant to heat because Magellan's Demon Venom seemed hot to me for some reason. But come to think he could not block that either... so maybe it is heated poison?

Also, some were mentioning that Luffy could now pose a threat to Magellan. I would say no. Base Magellan sure, but Demon Road seems extremely powerful and more like a corrosive than venom.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Latest Vivre Card confirms that Pretzel (Craker's sword) is a Meito Class blade which makes Luffy the first SH in One Piece to defeat a Meito Blade Wielding Opponent.

This is in very poor taste. Why on earth did Oda think it was ok to have Luffy defeat someone with a Meito over Zoro?

Edit: it's not classified as a "Supreme Grade" Meito. I misread. My bad.

Either way, Luffy had defeated an elite NW Swordsman before Zoro has and that is bs

 

[nik87]

Either way, Luffy had defeated an elite NW Swordsman before Zoro has and that is bs

I think it is fine because Cracker was rather a shitty swordsman.
He fought the least with his sword and majority of the time with his doubles made of biscuits...