One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[M3J]

Ppl still unestimating zoro

Each strawhat are probably already best in what they do. At least in my opinion thats the idea.

Zoro have to still prove himself by defeating hawkeye until that he cannot lose. So its safe to say he will beat anybody, even luffy.

My opinions are biased on the story, thats how i think it goes.

Zoro did technically lose to Kuma and Enel. And if Luffy is anything to go by, then Zoro will not be able to beat an Emperor. POwer level and gumption matter.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

In the past at cactus peak island they fought evenly when zoro beat the people giving food.

So characters remain the same in power level as time goes by? Especially in Shounen? Hmm...
If you think current Luffy and Zoro are equals then I can't help you.

 

[King Moe]

Yea I know where you're coming. Just when supernova's like Urogue beat a commander, I think the possibility opens up. I wouldn't have had Urogue above Killer, X Drake etc before that; or Zoro for that matter. That said, Urogue being stronger than Zoro, or having an advantage over the 4th commander is a good reason for that outcome.

I was wondering if YC1-YC3 were distinctively stronger than the rest:
Kaido - has 3 commanders
BigMom - her 4th commander was off-paneled
Whitebeard - Marco, Ace and Jozu; Thatch was dead become of BB. Vista seemed strong though.
Shanks and BB - have similar lineups, with not defined YC1-YC3 afaik.

Luffy will have Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe on one tier, and the others below that. So it's probably more of a balance against the SH crew that the top three commanders are stronger, if they were to battle the SH straight up.

I get you as well. Zoro will reach there as after all he is like one of the YCs of Strawhats with Sanji and Jimbei if Luffy is the 'Fifth Yonko', so not saying he won't reach there, but we have to see on upcoming fights to test how far he has come training along with the others. Might see him face off with Queen or King unless Orochi with his hype proves to be stronger than he appears especially given lore about real 'Orochi'.

On how things on going, I expect others to go on another lvl after this for sure.

 

[Shasha23]

I do

Luffy is supposed to be weak against cuts, thats why he has zoro against them. Against eachother they are equal.

Thats exactly why Zoro said if he doesnt become the strongest then Luffy would be in trouble (back in Baraties vs Mihawk)

 

[King Moe]

Luffy
Kidd
Urouge
Zoro = Law
Xdrake = Apoo
Hawkins
Bege
Killer
Bonney

My opinion of course.

I like your too tho

Nice List, for me, I am ranking Supernovas by prior performance and so far looking at arcs they are involve in, I would say ranking will be:

Luffy >/= Kidd = Law

Apoo (I know we haven't seen his full power or what he can do 2 year-timeskip, but from what we seen especially he gets into fights with Kidd both pre-timeskip and post-timeskip who got impressive feats behind the scene, he looks very up there. Plus how Oda portrayal Kidd as Luffy's major rival with Law, Apoo would be quite strong to be able to clash with Kidd without fear or worry, but feel like won't beat Kidd in the end on how hype leading to him more than Apoo himself. Plus with surprise like Urouge able to beat Sweet Commander, we shouldn't underestimate Apoo thinking he is 'weak' as we still don't know his full capabilities yet)

Urouge

X Drake > Hawkins >/</= Zoro = Killer (Though Killer was nerfed mentally, so don't know if that was his full power that moment, so still under question. Also with Zoro's new powerup, might have easier time with Hawkins, but then again we don't know Hawkins full bag of tricks and that If Zoro can do what Law can do in beating him, since Law's abilities and feats are pretty OP as it is after all. Just saying, not hating.)

Bege

Bonney (Still unknown, but she is still powerful in her own right)

This is a list I will update on depending on performance I seen, so please don't 'harp' me over certain character areas as just going by fight performance with portrayal here and there. Until I seen more on each of these characters, I will move them up or move them down depending.

 

[M3J]

If Luffy has superior speed and/or CoA, then swords won't damage him. There really is no reason to believe Zoro can take on Yonkou or even Katakuri, but then again even if he does lose to Katakuri he could still beat someone who beat Katakuri as long as they don't have speed or Future Sight.

 

[Pirate Queen]

If Luffy has superior speed and/or CoA, then swords won't damage him. There really is no reason to believe Zoro can take on Yonkou or even Katakuri, but then again even if he does lose to Katakuri he could still beat someone who beat Katakuri as long as they don't have speed or Future Sight.

Good post, agree to all.

 

[nik87]

He's aiming for strongest swordsman in the world and that's nothing compared to the strongest pirate in the seas.
It's not even an argument. Zoro lost the fight with Luffy the moment he chose to pursue that dream.
Now this! This is logic.

You know that Zoro's goal has more to do with individuals strength than Luffy's goal?
Also you underestimate Mihawk who is stronger than Emperor Shanks at least and if Oden can do to Kaido what he did then Mihawk can for sure do better.

 

[Pirate Queen]

You know that Zoro's goal has more to do with individuals strength than Luffy's goal?

Even if this was true, which it's not. It's irrelevant. Luffy IS stronger than Zoro and it will stay that way even EoS. I guess the thought must really burn you up lol.

Cue you saying "Zoro can accomplish his goal alone while Luffy needs others to become PK"

So? Again, irrelevant.

That doesn't mean WSS > PK.

Luffy will ALWAYS be stronger than Zoro, just like Zoro will ALWAYS be stronger than Sanji.

 

[King Moe]

Even if this was true, which it's not. It's irrelevant. Luffy IS stronger than Zoro and it will stay that way even EoS. I guess the thought must really burn you up lol.

Cue you saying "Zoro can accomplish his goal alone while Luffy needs others to become PK"

So? Again, irrelevant.

That doesn't mean WSS > PK.

Luffy will ALWAYS be stronger than Zoro, just like Zoro will ALWAYS be stronger than Sanji.

Actually equal with Sanji. I don't see Oda letting go of his rivalry and equal status of the two as he loves them bickering and wanting to fight/fighting each other. Doubt they even let it go even at EOS.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Actually equal with Sanji. I don't see Oda letting go of his rivalry and equal status of the two as he loves them bickering and wanting to fight/fighting each other. Doubt they even let it go even at EOS.

Oh stop

 

[nik87]

Even if this was true, which it's not. It's irrelevant. Luffy IS stronger than Zoro and it will stay that way even EoS. I guess the thought must really burn you up lol.

Cue you saying "Zoro can accomplish his goal alone while Luffy needs others to become PK"

So? Again, irrelevant.

That doesn't mean WSS > PK.

Luffy will ALWAYS be stronger than Zoro, just like Zoro will ALWAYS be stronger than Sanji.

Until I see Luffy taking out a master swordsman he will always need Zoro to protect him from one and Zoro will always need a single slice to take Luffy out.

PK doesnt mean> everyone else.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Until I see Luffy taking out a master swordsman he will always need Zoro to protect him from one and Zoro will always need a single slice to take Luffy out.

PK doesnt mean> everyone else.

Luffy fought Fujitora and Cracker, both swordsmen and both Luffy had no issues with engaging.

Zoro needs to protect Luffy now? Lol.

That has never been to the case so back at you. Until Luffy gets taken out by a single sword slice or Zoro has to protect him from a swordsman... your claims are baseless

 

[nik87]

Luffy fought Fujitora and Cracker, both swordsmen and both Luffy had no issues with engaging.

Zoro needs to protect Luffy now? Lol.

That has never been to the case so back at you. Until Luffy gets taken out by a single sword slice or Zoro has to protect him from a swordsman... your claims are baseless

You have just proven my point. Cracker is everything else except a master swordsman and clash with Fujitora is just clash, the only serious attack Fuji did was with his df, not with his sword.

 

[Pirate Queen]

You have just proven my point. Cracker is everything else except a master swordsman and clash with Fujitora is just clash, the only serious attack Fuji did was with his df, not with his sword.

Dont deflect. When has Zoro needed to "Protect" Luffy from a swordsman for the sole reason that it was a swordman?

 

[nik87]

Dont deflect. When has Zoro needed to "Protect" Luffy from a swordsman for the sole reason that it was a swordman?

When did Luffy take on a master swordsman and Zoro passed on it?
Who protected him from Mihawk? Another master swordsman.
Luffy cant take on master swordsmen because they beat him in one clean slice, he is not setup to fight a single one in future. Not a coincidence.

 

[Pirate Queen]

When did Luffy take on a master swordsman and Zoro passed on it?
Who protected him from Mihawk? Another master swordsman.
Luffy cant take on master swordsmen because they beat him in one clean slice, he is not setup to fight a single one in future. Not a coincidence.

You made 2 foolish claims

Zoro needs to protect Luffy from Swordsmen... never has happened

Zoro can 1shot Luffy... never happened

That's entirely baseless. You have no facts to back those claims

Probably the most ridiculous post you have ever made.

 

[nik87]

You made 2 foolish claims

Zoro needs to protect Luffy from Swordsmen... never has happened

Zoro can 1shot Luffy... never happened

That's entirely baseless. You have no facts to back those claims

Probably the most ridiculous post you have ever made.

Well idk... Just Zoro's fighting history of taking out everyone with a single slice, Luffy aint different, he isnt immune to swords...
Are Kaido, Blackbeard and Akainu swordsmen? How convenient for Rubber Jesus.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Well idk... Just Zoro's fighting history of taking out everyone with a single slice, Luffy aint different, he isnt immune to swords...
Are Kaido, Blackbeard and Akainu swordsmen? How convenient for Rubber Jesus.

No one is saying he is immune to swords. That's not what is being discussed at all.

If you are going to make a claim that Zoro needs to protect Luffy from Swordsman there HAS to be an instance in which that has happened. Zoro has never had to protect Luffy from a Swordsmen... NEVER.

If you are going to make a claim that Zoro can one shot Luffy you are going to have to proven Zoro's CoA Haki can pierce Luffy's CoA Haki.

The only convenient thing here is that you avoid providing proof for something you can't possibly prove.

What I cant understand is that your way smarter than this. You know proof is key. You must realise how misguided you are on this.

You claim to use Zoro's past battles as proof, but that in itself is folly because Luffy was always above the opponents that Zoro fought.

Zoro took out Hachi, but Luffy was at Arlongs level

Zoro took out Mr 1, but Luffy was at Crocodile's level

Zoro took out Kaku, but Luffy was fighting Lucci level

Luffy was always above the people Zoro was fighting.

Even the latest Pica and Doflamingo...

 

[nik87]

If you are going to make a claim that Zoro can one shot Luffy you are going to have to proven Zoro's CoA Haki can pierce Luffy's CoA Haki.

Luffy's coa has been beaten by fodder Hody Jones who was one shotted by Zoro.
Let's not insult Zoro here by comparing his coa to Luffy's...
What could have Luffy done to mr 1 back in Alabasta? Nothing.
What could have Luffy done to Kakus Yontoryu? Nothing...
It will be all clear soon enough.