One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Grandmaster Woro]

Whitebeard also used a sword. Was Mihawk stronger than him? You do know people have multiple ways of fighting, right?

6 years is long. In 2 years, Luffy went from struggling to beat a Pacifista with his entire crew to casually one shotting them. That's 2 years, not 6. In the few months since then, he's improved his CoO haki to the point he can fight Katakuri, and is now improving his CoA haki to the point he can damage Kaido internally.

So do you really want to say 6 years isn't a long time???

Whitebeard only used sword as sidearm, his main style is his DF punches
Luffy is special exception because he is the MC. Even gold rogers took long time to become PK. Stop nitpicking.

 

[thedude]

Whitebeard only used sword as sidearm, his main style is his DF punches
Luffy is special exception because he is the MC. Even gold rogers took long time to become PK. Stop nitpicking.

We haven't seen Shanks fight a real fight, so we don't know his main style. We do know he's considered one of the 4 strongest pirates, someone whose presence makes people reconsider fighting any longer...

It's not nitpicking to say that characters get stronger, not just the main character. We've seen it in this manga. Luffy got stronger, his crew got stronger. Colby got much stronger. Is he unique too? Is Colby able to grow but Shanks not?

Are you saying that in the 6 years between losing an arm and becoming a Yonko Shanks didn't grow? Is me asking that "nitpicking"?

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

We haven't seen Shanks fight a real fight, so we don't know his main style. We do know he's considered one of the 4 strongest pirates, someone whose presence makes people reconsider fighting any longer...

It's not nitpicking to say that characters get stronger, not just the main character. We've seen it in this manga. Luffy got stronger, his crew got stronger. Colby got much stronger. Is he unique too? Is Colby able to grow but Shanks not?

Are you saying that in the 6 years between losing an arm and becoming a Yonko Shanks didn't grow? Is me asking that "nitpicking"?

Shanks used sword as his main style, unless shown otherwise. Against akainu and whitebeard, his sword is his first choice. And yet mihawk is the strongest swordsman.

Only youngsters develop skills, shanks was not that young anymore. Arm does not mean anything when we saw zoro destroyed 8-armed swordsman. Only haki matters post time skip.

 

[thedude]

You are literally inventing that only younger characters can grow. Was Kaido young when he first landed in Wano? He seemed to be stronger after, and stronger still after that when he became a Yonko.

How about Oden? He died at age 39. That was 5 years after coming back from traveling with Roger, age 34. He had been a pirate with WB and Roger for 5 years, meaning starting at age 29. DId he not grow in that time? Older than Shanks when he lost his arm, but we clearly saw him grow. Funny that...

At what age do characters stop growing? Shanks would be 27 when he lost his arm. Why did he stop at that age while Oden and Kaido kept growing? Or is this all something you are making up to fit your argument that Mihawk is stronger?

 

[Fox666]

I am saying that Rankyaku has gone through a steel reinforced warship and didnt leave a scratch on neither Sanji nor Luffy.
Are you finally starting to understand the difference between an object's durability and durability of a body?

But why can't Luffy or Sanji just be that tough?

The CP9 have attacks that can cut steel, and bodies hard like steel. If Luffy or Sanji could defeat Rob Lucci and Jabra, doesn't that means they are alike?

Daz Bones is not supposed to be the only character with super durability, while everyone else has the same body of a regular Human.

Just like Zoro surpassed Daz Bones' attacks with his swordsmanship, it's possible to train your body to be more durable than Daz Bones.

Oden appears to be just a regular Human, but his skin can withstand steel-melting temperature. On theory, with enough training any character could get strong like Oden, and survive the boiling.

If they ate Daz Bones' fruit they would get even more durable. But they are already durable without it.

 

[nik87]

But why can't Luffy or Sanji just be that tough?
The CP9 have attacks that can cut steel, and bodies hard like steel. If Luffy or Sanji could defeat Rob Lucci and Jabra, doesn't that means they are alike?
Daz Bones is not supposed to be the only character with super durability, while everyone else has the same body of a regular Human.
Just like Zoro surpassed Daz Bones' attacks with his swordsmanship, it's possible to train your body to be more durable than Daz Bones.
Oden appears to be just a regular Human, but his skin can withstand steel-melting temperature. On theory, with enough training any character could get strong like Oden, and survive the boiling.
If they ate Daz Bones' fruit they would get even more durable. But they are already durable without it.

Because they have proven not to be that tough. You cannot deal too much damage to a body in One Piece. Mutilation happens only rarely.
All bodies are regular except the 4 named and Daz Bones is one of them. He can train his body too on top of being made of steel.
I dont know if anyone can pull off what Oden did, we pretty much saw that he was an anomaly since birth.
Being able to destroy steel doesnt equate being able to harm body made of steel, that's what manga has shown us...

 

[thedude]

Franky: 36
Brook: 90
Blackbeard: 40
Capone Bege: 42
Smoker: 36

Oden was also 29 when he joined Whitebeard, and he was clearly stronger when he got back to Wano and fought Kaido at age 39.

 

[Fox666]

Being able to destroy steel doesnt equate being able to harm body made of steel, that's what manga has shown us...

Sorry, but the manga implies the opposite:

Zoro says he can't cut steel, and because of that he couldn't cut Daz Bones.

Zoro learned how to cut steel fighting Daz Bones. He later uses this new skills a few times, such as when he cut the sea train.

It's as simple as this.

You are making things complicated for the sake of defending Daz Bones. But like the fight with CP9 proved, an opponent with the durability of steel was not much of a challenge a few arcs later.

 

[nik87]

Sorry, but the manga implies the opposite:
Zoro says he can't cut steel, and because of that he couldn't cut Daz Bones.
Zoro learned how to cut steel fighting Daz Bones. He later uses this new skills a few times, such as when he cut the sea train.
It's as simple as this.
You are making things complicated for the sake of defending Daz Bones. But like the fight with CP9 proved, an opponent with the durability of steel was not much of a challenge a few arcs later.

He could shatter steel swords. Why didn't he shatter Mr1's arms and legs that were like swords?
Going back to the usual, if normal bodies are tough, then mr1's body is even tougher.

 

[Fox666]

He could shatter steel swords. Why didn't he shatter Mr1's arms and legs that were like swords?
Going back to the usual, if normal bodies are tough, then mr1's body is even tougher.

As Zoro himself explained, Hatchan's swords were lighter than his own.

Daz Bones' obviously has much more steel on his arms or legs than Zoro's swords.

Besides, Zoro didn't cut Hatchan's swords, he shattered them. That may explain as well why Zoro seemingly hurt Daz Bones's chin.

 

[nik87]

As Zoro himself explained, Hatchan's swords were lighter than his own.
Daz Bones' obviously has much more steel on his arms or legs than Zoro's swords.

No, man... They werent lighter... It's the basics of conversation that you misunderstood...
Zoro's swords were "heavier" in his hands(worth it more in hands of a better user)...

 

[Fox666]

No, man... They werent lighter... It's the basics of conversation that you misunderstood...
Zoro's swords were "heavier" in his hands(worth it more in hands of a better user)...

Ah, you are right about that!

But Zoro shattered Hatchan swords, he didn't cut them.

Also I assume Daz Bones's "weight" is not far from Zoro, hence why Zoro couldn't break his body. If Daz Bones was as incompetent as Hatchan, maybe it would be possible.

 

[nik87]

Ah, you are right about that!

But Zoro shattered Hatchan swords, he didn't cut them.

Also I assume Daz Bones's "weight" is not far from Zoro, hence why Zoro couldn't break his body. If Daz Bones was as incompetent as Hatchan, maybe it would be possible.

Or it's because it's his body and bodies cannot be shattered?

 

[Crimson Ice]

I dont think you get me...
There is Kaido as most durable due to not being human and having dragon scales.
There is BM as 2nd most durable due to being a freak of nature since 7 years old?
There is Jozu who is more resistant to cuts but less resistant to blows.
There is Mr1 who is resistant to blows and cuts.

The rest have bodies made of flesh. The top 4 bodies>bodies made of flesh.
I am not scaling Mr1 into NW nor adding haki on top of his body, just taking the body as it is.

And I'm not sure what you're getting at, Daz being made out of iron is irrelevant because they are flesh and blood characters with more durable bodies. Your point is irrelevant.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

There is Kaido as most durable due to not being human and having dragon scales.
There is BM as 2nd most durable due to being a freak of nature since 7 years old?
There is Jozu who is more resistant to cuts but less resistant to blows.
There is Mr1 who is resistant to blows and cuts.

Also we kinda forget a durable elephant in the room. A man who isnt just immun to brute force/Bluntdamage, he can repel it. Who can light himself on fire and is totally untouched by Lightning/Electricity.

Luffy.

 

[albertwv]

Change of topic enough about Zoro and Daz Bones and Mihawk and cutting.
Post TS how do you rank the supernova to include Sanji....
Luffy G4 and Luffy G2 are two different power scales so I will ranked them differently obviously.

" >/= " means greater than or equal to with whoever is on the right being slightly stronger.

G4 Luffy > Kid > Urouge >/= Law > G2 Luffy > Drake = Zolo >/=Hawkins >/= Sanji = Bege >/= Killer.

Im sure we can all agree G4 Luffy is the strongest. Pre WCI Luffy (before he defeated Cracker and Katakuri), I don't see any other supernovas being able to defeat Doffy or even any other YCs, besides Urouge. My guess when it came down to Urouge vs. Snack (we have no real idea how strong Snack really is but maybe Warlord level) maybe Urouge and Kid teamed up to defeat Snack since he claimed to have injured a YC.

feel free to make your own list and say why you disagree with mine.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Supernovae:

Luffy > Zoro > Urouge = Drake = Law = Kid > Apoo = Hawkins > Bege > Killer = Bonney

Sanji i would put on a level with Drake and the others.

 

[M3J]

Whitebeard only used sword as sidearm, his main style is his DF punches
Luffy is special exception because he is the MC. Even gold rogers took long time to become PK. Stop nitpicking.

No more than five years, I'd wager. Probably less but I don't remember the timeline. Makes me wonder what'd have happened if Roger decided to go for the title within few years of starting his journey instead of over 15 years later.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Oden was also 29 when he joined Whitebeard, and he was clearly stronger when he got back to Wano and fought Kaido at age 39.

He could clash with WB when he was 29, he clearly was already near his prime. So was shanks

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

You are literally inventing that only younger characters can grow. Was Kaido young when he first landed in Wano? He seemed to be stronger after, and stronger still after that when he became a Yonko.

How about Oden? He died at age 39. That was 5 years after coming back from traveling with Roger, age 34. He had been a pirate with WB and Roger for 5 years, meaning starting at age 29. DId he not grow in that time? Older than Shanks when he lost his arm, but we clearly saw him grow. Funny that...

At what age do characters stop growing? Shanks would be 27 when he lost his arm. Why did he stop at that age while Oden and Kaido kept growing? Or is this all something you are making up to fit your argument that Mihawk is stronger?

Never said shanks was old man. It is just that he was not fresh young like luffy so he only had small growth