One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[King Moe]

Supernovae:

Luffy > Zoro > Urouge = Drake = Law = Kid > Apoo = Hawkins > Bege > Killer = Bonney

Sanji i would put on a level with Drake and the others.

Zoro is below all except maybe Bege and Bonney. He tied with nerf state of Killer in poor fashion. He not stronger than most Supernovas. Sanji can take on some of them and beat them except for Luffy, Kidd, and Law.

 

[HereNThere]

Supernovae:

Luffy > Zoro > Urouge = Drake = Law = Kid > Apoo = Hawkins > Bege > Killer = Bonney

Sanji i would put on a level with Drake and the others.

This seems about right, though I would put Kidd and Law on Luffy's level. I really don't know how well Zoro would do against Kidd.

All the Strawhats should've had bounties before Ennis Lobby. Sanji, in particular, (and Robin) should've been at or over 100 million by the time Sabaody rolled around, so the Strawhats should've had 4 Supernova on their crew, at least, in my opinion.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Kidd and Law on Luffy's level

Law on Luffys level? What exactly brings him on there, against doffy he didnt stand any chance and after Katakuri its safe to say, Luffy has way surpassed him.

Zoro against Kid, i would give normally to Kid, thanks to his fruit. But since this is a unfortunate match-up it doesnt change anything about the "powerlevel".

 

[thedude]

Never said shanks was old man. It is just that he was not fresh young like luffy so he only had small growth

But he was younger than Oden when Oden joined WB and even younger than when Oden joined Roger, and Oden and all of his retainers seemed to grow incredibly over that time. You just don't have a leg to stand on in this debate, so you should consider stopping...

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Zoro is below all except maybe Bege and Bonney. He tied with nerf state of Killer in poor fashion. He not stronger than most Supernovas. Sanji can take on some of them and beat them except for Luffy, Kidd, and Law.

No, you got it mixed up, zoro is the nerfed one. Being blackmailed does not mean nerfed.

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But he was younger than Oden when Oden joined WB and even younger than when Oden joined Roger, and Oden and all of his retainers seemed to grow incredibly over that time. You just don't have a leg to stand on in this debate, so you should consider stopping...

Proof that oden had incredible growth? He already could clash with whitebeard before his journey......and oden definitely was still below whitebeard and roger. What was the difference then

 

[Fox666]

Yonko commander level:

- Luffy (with Gear 4)
- Law
- Kid
- Urouge
- X. Drake
- Hawkins
- Appo

Level below:

- Zoro
- Killer
- Capone
- Bonney

Luffy may have be on a level of his own after training in the Udon prison, but we will have to wait to see.

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My guess when it came down to Urouge vs. Snack (we have no real idea how strong Snack really is but maybe Warlord level) maybe Urouge and Kid teamed up to defeat Snack since he claimed to have injured a YC.

Bruleé sounded like the Super Rookies came one after another.

I'm guessing Kid is the one that put that scar on Cracker's face?

 

[thedude]

No, you got it mixed up, zoro is the nerfed one. Being blackmailed does not mean nerfed.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 9, 2020, Original Post Date: Apr 9, 2020 ---

Proof that oden had incredible growth? He already could clash with whitebeard before his journey......and oden definitely was still below whitebeard and roger. What was the difference then

He was casually tossed aside through trees and rock by Roger before Roger and WB clashed. He was amazed at the power of WB and Roger when they clashed. When he came back he was strong enough to nearly kill a Yonko. I'd say that's quite a bit stronger.

...unless of course you are going to now say Kaido wasn't that strong at the time and only grew stronger later on...

We also have Ashura and the minks bragging that they are much stronger while Kin and the time travellers are exactly as strong as they were 20 years ago. Ashura is 56, meaning 36 at that time.

Face it, there is ample evidence that characters get stronger as they go through battles. Shanks was 27 when he lost his arm, and only became a Yonko 6 years later. You are only having this very dumb argument because you want to cling to the idea that Mihawk is somehow stronger than him, that Shanks growth stopped years before becoming a Yonko. It's just nonsense.

 

[HereNThere]

Law on Luffys level? What exactly brings him on there, against doffy he didnt stand any chance and after Katakuri its safe to say, Luffy has way surpassed him

I keep forgetting that point of growth for Luffy. Yeah, he's fallen behind.

I think Kidd is decently strong physically. May not be on Luffy's level, but he was juxtaposed with him in Udon. He was moving just as well as Luffy was in seastone cuffs, which they pointed out was supposed to just allow them to barely move.

He's probably right after him, in my opinion. He's one of Luffy's more direct rivals and also wants Kaido's head, so I think he's going to be on the level by the time the reach Kaido. If not then, then certainly after.

I think he's a bit above Zoro given this context.

 

[King Moe]

As for how I rank Supernovas will be this:

1. Luffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4. Sanji
5. Apoo
6. Urouge
7. Drake
8. Hawkins
9. Killer
10. Zoro
11. Bege
12. Bonney

I judge by portrayal and performance to judge all these characters. Give them all their fair dues.

 

[thedude]

As for how I rank Supernovas will be this:

1. Luffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4. Sanji
5. Apoo
6. Urouge
7. Drake
8. Hawkins
9. Killer
10. Zoro
11. Bege
12. Bonney

I judge by portrayal and performance to judge all these characters. Give them all their fair dues.

Lol, putting Zoro below Killer???? Don't troll.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Lol, putting Zoro below Killer???? Don't troll.

You do realize who you were quoting?

 

[thedude]

You do realize who you were quoting?

Yes, but he's usually slightly better than someone like Nik (who currently seems to place Zoro above all Yonko...)

 

[nik87]

Zoro>Law>Luffy(if FS is mastered, above Law)>Kidd>Drake>Urogue>Bege>Apoo>Hawkins>Killer>Bonney

 

[HereNThere]

I really want to see Bonney fight. I was hoping she'd be the 3rd Supernova to join in with Luffy and Law, but she's so far removed from all of them, it doesn't look likely.

 

[nik87]

Lol, you and Moe should just have a private chat so the idiocy doesn't have to be seen by everyone.

Luffy was already stronger than Law after beating Doflamingo who could have killed Law at any time. This didn't happen long ago even! Since then Luffy improved his Haki in every way possible.

Relax... What does Luffy beating Doffy have to do with Law beating Luffy? A>B>C logic?
Also, in case you didnt notice, Law basically has beaten Doffy before Luffy, a plot element was required to nullify his actions.

 

[HereNThere]

Law kinda got stomped by Doflamingo...twice. Law's final attack wasn't even going to be enough to put him down permanently and Doflamingo was going to attack Law right after he landed the attack. Luffy saved Law from dying a pointless death.

 

[nik87]

I feel pity for you, if this is your honest opinion.

That's fine and also not necessary at the same time, we dont have to agree.

 

[M3J]

This seems about right, though I would put Kidd and Law on Luffy's level. I really don't know how well Zoro would do against Kidd.

All the Strawhats should've had bounties before Ennis Lobby. Sanji, in particular, (and Robin) should've been at or over 100 million by the time Sabaody rolled around, so the Strawhats should've had 4 Supernova on their crew, at least, in my opinion.

How would Zoro without swords do against Kidd, rather, as Kidd can take away Zoro's swords as they're metal.

Agreed, but Sanji kept himself lowkey enough that he got bounty way too late, and even then it didn't increase as much as it should have. But then again, how many people knew Sanji was why the Straw Hats made it out of Enies Lobby?

Nik and Moe are both terrible trolls...

Sanji isn't a supernova and Zoro is of course weaker than Luffy.

Easily explained why Sanji isn't a Supernova.

 

[Luke Beifong]

That cannot possibly be true.
What's the point of Oda dropping the line "no one ever" if no one tried? Lol
How can Kinemon know that sword is bad news if he never tried?
It means that no one can tame Enma in Wano, aside Oden. It includes all characters that existed since Enma was forged, you wont see evidence of each and every one of them trying it but that's what that line means.
Zoro's portrayal is leagues above citizens of Wano.

Yes.

In the last SBS, Oda said that Kozaburu forged Enma and gifted the sword to Oden. Oden used Enma for all his life and when he died, he wishes his swords to be gifted to his children. So, no one aside from Oden used Enma since the sword is created. Oden must have said to the SR that the sword draw all his Haki all the time, but no one used the sword to see if can control his powers in respect to Oden wish

 

[nik87]

In the last SBS, Oda said that Kozaburu forged Enma and gifted the sword to Oden. Oden used Enma for all his life and when he died, he wishes his swords to be gifted to his children. So, no one aside from Oden used Enma since the sword is created. Oden must have said to the SR that the sword draw all his Haki all the time, but no one used the sword to see if can control his powers in respect to Oden wish

And all you are missing is an explanation for this:

ONLY ONE person in THIS COUNTRY was EVER been able to tame Enma...
You are literally saying that this entire sentence has no meaning.