One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[thedude]

I can see where they are coming from with Weevil. Kizaru said he was as strong as a young Whitebeard. However, which Era of Young Whitebeard is Kizaru referring too? Roger's rival Era, Rock's Era, or pre Rock's Era? There's a lot of wiggle room.

I say wait until he does something. Ptting him above someone like Kizaru or other admirals when we have nothing to go by is a bit much. If it's Rocks era, that's the guy who along with his crew was beaten by 2 guys, Roger and Garp, from what we know. Strong, but Admiral he is not.

(also, his design is so dumb that I can't take him seriously as that strong lol. I know he is for sure strong, but admiral level looking like something Oda drew as a joke?)

 

[HereNThere]

Y'all got me interested in doing a list now, so I'm looking for a decent one and can't find any I really like. I found a waifu one that's great though, but that's for another thread.

 

[nik87]

Y'all got me interested in doing a list now, so I'm looking for a decent one and can't find any I really like. I found a waifu one that's great though, but that's for another thread.

Create a One Piece Powerlevel (Over 100 characters available) Tier List

tiermaker.com

It's missing Whitebeard from what I can tell...

 

[HereNThere]

Create a One Piece Powerlevel (Over 100 characters available) Tier List

tiermaker.com

It's missing Whitebeard from what I can tell...

I found a top 30 one that's pretty good and has a good selection. It's just missing Jinbe though.

 

[jaymizzo]

Spoiler: If you want my list

My view is that people like Roger, Rocks, Garp, WB were on a league of their own. You have Kaido et being their replacements this generations.

Tier 1 (in their prime): the best of the best.

• Roger - easily the strongest person along with Rocks and Garp during their time. It took him and Garp to defeat the most dangerous crew at the time and the man only knew one true rival in Rocks. WB was more of a friendly rival it seems.
• Rocks - absolute madman and powerhouse it seems. His crew was stacked and it took both Garp and Roger to put him down. Must have been a beast.
• Garp - same as Roger. Hero of his respective faction and has the power and feats to back that up.
• Whitebeard - friendly rival to Roger and able to clash with him for a number of days without neither dying. He belongs in this special tier.
• Sengoku - seems to have been on par with Garp or at least implied as such by Roger.

Tier 1.5: these are guys we know nothing about but seemingly are at least on par if not stronger than yonko. could also be as strong as the PK level characters. All we know is that they are likely above admiral level. ​

• Im - not sure if i'm over-hyping but I see Im as the strongest in the marines. Not only do they seem to have been around for a long time - given the artifacts - they seem to have absolute rule over the marines. The CDs have control over the marines but rarely do we see them interact with the gorosei.
• Kong - nothing is known about how powerful he is, at the very least we know he is as strong as prime Garp or WB as he was part of that era and an admiral at that. Could just as well have him in the same power level as Akainu etc.
• Gorosei - these guys should at least be stronger than your regular admiral but not too strong as to be too far off the yonko. The .5 emphasises a bridge in power levels. For example a member of the Gorosei could extreme diff a yonko but could also lose to one all in the same.
• Dragon - the most dangerous man in the world and one whose powers we know absolutely nothing of. I don't think he is as powerful as prime Roger, WB et al (he could be but who knows) but I believe he should be stronger than an admiral given his subordinates performances.

Tier 2: This is basing them off their bounty to avoid having to overthink. I personally think BB and Shanks having some sort of weird advantage and that Kaido and BM only have higher bounties due to being more destructive.

• Kaido
• BM
• Shanks
• Blackbeard

Tier 2.5 (in their prime):​

• Rayleigh - well we know Rayleigh was one of the strongest people in his time and he was and still is an absolute beast this much after his prime (stronger if not on par with an admiral), one can only imagine how much of an actual beast he was. The Dark King.
• Oden - naivety aside, this guy was a rampant monster who only had Yonko contender characters above him. Losing to Kaido and being swatted by WB and Roger. Everyone else seemed fair game though and respected his strength. Think he was 3rd or 4th strongest in the Roger ship.
• Shiki - rival to WB and Roger, to what extent and how powerful? Who knows. Seems like what would have happened if Buggy was actually serious about getting stronger.

Tier 4:

• Akainu - I put him first because I feel as though he is the strongest admiral. Given his current position and his win over Aokiji.
• Aokiji - self explanatory as to why I put him second.
• Kizaru - some people seem to think Kizaru is the strongest admiral, I just think he is meh compared to Aokiji and Akainu, only thing is that I place the O.G admirals above the new guys.
• Fujitora - basing this off the fact that he has been deployed twice to go after some decently powerful individuals but that could also indicate that Akainu sees him as expendable. Still, we know more about him than Greebull.
• Greenbull - he is an admiral so... lists?
• Marco - there is an ongoing discussion right now about his efforts in Marineford but given how he is viewed in the world, is still standing and protecting the last bit of WBs territory, I put him above your average yonko commander.

Tier 4.5:​

• Mihawk - easily the strongest person after the Rogers, Dragons, yonko and admirals of this world.
• Gaban - same as Rayleigh but not confident enough to have him above admirals.
• Ben Beckman - seems to be the most recognized and feared out of the RHP.
• Sabo - I think he is as strong as an admiral given how he and Fujitora fought without either one really come off worse off or truly threatening the other. The revolutionary army commanders as a whole seem a bit difficult to place so will place him slightly below them.
• Luffy - Luffy is a special case. He is clearly stronger than YC1 but also weaker than an admiral or yonko. This is where I place him currently, might see him jump to the same categorization as an admiral by the end of the arc.

5. YC1:

• Lucky Roo
• Katakuri
• King
• Yassop
• Shiryu

6. YC2:

• Smoothie
• Queen
• Jinbei
• (someone from BBs crew) x2
• Denjiro
• Kidd

7. YC3:

• Zoro
• Jack
• Neko and Ina
• Law
• Cracker
• Snack
• Sanji

Il update this list as I go along. Got so bored just thinking about anyone that isn't YC3 or above. The YC sections are pretty straight forward I think.

 

[thedude]

Spoiler: If you want my list

My view is that people like Roger, Rocks, Garp, WB were on a league of their own. You have Kaido et being their replacements this generations.

Tier 1 (in their prime): the best of the best.

• Roger - easily the strongest person along with Rocks and Garp during their time. It took him and Garp to defeat the most dangerous crew at the time and the man only knew one true rival in Rocks. WB was more of a friendly rival it seems.
• Rocks - absolute madman and powerhouse it seems. His crew was stacked and it took both Garp and Roger to put him down. Must have been a beast.
• Garp - same as Roger. Hero of his respective faction and has the power and feats to back that up.
• Whitebeard - friendly rival to Roger and able to clash with him for a number of days without neither dying. He belongs in this special tier.
• Sengoku - seems to have been on par with Garp or at least implied as such by Roger.

Tier 1.5: these are guys we know nothing about but seemingly are at least on par if not stronger than yonko. could also be as strong as the PK level characters. All we know is that they are likely above admiral level. ​

• Im - not sure if i'm over-hyping but I see Im as the strongest in the marines. Not only do they seem to have been around for a long time - given the artifacts - they seem to have absolute rule over the marines. The CDs have control over the marines but rarely do we see them interact with the gorosei.
• Kong - nothing is known about how powerful he is, at the very least we know he is as strong as prime Garp or WB as he was part of that era and an admiral at that. Could just as well have him in the same power level as Akainu etc.
• Gorosei - these guys should at least be stronger than your regular admiral but not too strong as to be too far off the yonko. The .5 emphasises a bridge in power levels. For example a member of the Gorosei could extreme diff a yonko but could also lose to one all in the same.
• Dragon - the most dangerous man in the world and one whose powers we know absolutely nothing of. I don't think he is as powerful as prime Roger, WB et al (he could be but who knows) but I believe he should be stronger than an admiral given his subordinates performances.

Tier 2: This is basing them off their bounty to avoid having to overthink. I personally think BB and Shanks having some sort of weird advantage and that Kaido and BM only have higher bounties due to being more destructive.

• Kaido
• BM
• Shanks
• Blackbeard

Tier 2.5 (in their prime):​

• Rayleigh - well we know Rayleigh was one of the strongest people in his time and he was and still is an absolute beast this much after his prime (stronger if not on par with an admiral), one can only imagine how much of an actual beast he was. The Dark King.
• Oden - naivety aside, this guy was a rampant monster who only had Yonko contender characters above him. Losing to Kaido and being swatted by WB and Roger. Everyone else seemed fair game though and respected his strength. Think he was 3rd or 4th strongest in the Roger ship.
• Shiki - rival to WB and Roger, to what extent and how powerful? Who knows. Seems like what would have happened if Buggy was actually serious about getting stronger.

Tier 4:

• Akainu - I put him first because I feel as though he is the strongest admiral. Given his current position and his win over Aokiji.
• Aokiji - self explanatory as to why I put him second.
• Kizaru - some people seem to think Kizaru is the strongest admiral, I just think he is meh compared to Aokiji and Akainu, only thing is that I place the O.G admirals above the new guys.
• Fujitora - basing this off the fact that he has been deployed twice to go after some decently powerful individuals but that could also indicate that Akainu sees him as expendable. Still, we know more about him than Greebull.
• Greenbull - he is an admiral so... lists?
• Marco - there is an ongoing discussion right now about his efforts in Marineford but given how he is viewed in the world, is still standing and protecting the last bit of WBs territory, I put him above your average yonko commander.

Tier 4.5:​

• Mihawk - easily the strongest person after the Rogers, Dragons, yonko and admirals of this world.
• Gaban - same as Rayleigh but not confident enough to have him above admirals.
• Ben Beckman - seems to be the most recognized and feared out of the RHP.
• Sabo - I think he is as strong as an admiral given how he and Fujitora fought without either one really come off worse off or truly threatening the other. The revolutionary army commanders as a whole seem a bit difficult to place so will place him slightly below them.
• Luffy - Luffy is a special case. He is clearly stronger than YC1 but also weaker than an admiral or yonko. This is where I place him currently, might see him jump to the same categorization as an admiral by the end of the arc.

5. YC1:

• Lucky Roo
• Katakuri
• King
• Yassop
• Shiryu

6. YC2:

• Smoothie
• Queen
• Jinbei
• (someone from BBs crew) x2
• Denjiro
• Kidd

7. YC3:

• Zoro
• Jack
• Neko and Ina
• Law
• Cracker
• Snack
• Sanji

Il update this list as I go along. Got so bored just thinking about anyone that isn't YC3 or above. The YC sections are pretty straight forward I think.

That's about as good a list as I've seen. Nothing dumb, obviously missing lots, but looks all reasonable. Of recent characters, I also think Ashura would go in 7 since he cut Jack. But overall good non-stupid list lol.

 

[jaymizzo]

That's about as good a list as I've seen. Nothing dumb, obviously missing lots, but looks all reasonable. Of recent characters, I also think Ashura would go in 7 since he cut Jack. But overall good non-stupid list lol.

Don't know how people have the patience to do a massive write up justifying a list or the list itself in one sitting. Yeah the scabbards would also be in the but I just couldn't think past that point.

There are some characters who are so hard to gauge power wise but seemingly have some weird hype around them. For example, some people could easily put Dragon at tier 1 while others could see him as just a figurehead (well I don't see why given Sabo can stalemate an admiral).

Will add a lot of them as I go along - going past YC3 gets so subjective. Like what do you call these guys? There are characters like Doffy who have such OP DFs that you can justify him being in the YC tiers but then you realize pre-FS Luffy absolutely smacked him you wonder if he actually deserves to be there or we just have more info on him than the others... also match ups.

 

[HereNThere]

There are some characters who are so hard to gauge power wise but seemingly have some weird hype around them. For example, some people could easily put Dragon at tier 1 while others could see him as just a figurehead (well I don't see why given Sabo can stalemate an admiral).

I'm still fiddling around with my list and I just took him out for that reason. No idea where he could be. I had on current Rayleigh's level.

I'll just put my list up because I keep going back and forth with some characters and I don't want to deal with this all night.

Spoiler

Still not happy with it. Garp would probably be on that level at his prime. He should be a tier lower. Hawkin could probably be a tier higher.

 

[jaymizzo]

I'm still fiddling around with my list and I just took him out for that reason. No idea where he could be. I had on current Rayleigh's level.

I'll just put my list up because I keep going back and forth with some characters and I don't want to deal with this all night.

Spoiler

Still not happy with it. Garp would probably be on that level at his prime. He should be a tier lower. Hawkin could probably be a tier higher.

Though I disagree with some, that is a really good list (from my perspective at least). Especially the top tier and the fact that you are using current iteration of characters. That site is hard to use for me because its hard to make out characters.

Spoiler: My fantasies

Captain: Luffy - Shanks - Roger
1st mate: Zoro - Mihawk - Rayleigh
Monster 1: Jinbei - Beckman - Oden
Monster 2: Sanji - Roo - Gaban
Monster 3: ? - Yassop - ?

Could change Mihawk and Beckman.

 

[Holt]

I think @eefrit made a pretty good list too. More or less what I'd agree with. The only bit I might change is Marco/Mihawk and BB.

On Marco- yes he was mentioned by the Gorosei as one of those capable of stopping BB but I'm sure they factored in Marco essentially taking over the WBPs. He is also still protecting WB's territory, but let's face it. If anyone noteworthy had actually gone after him, it would be in the news. Marco has likely only had to do deal with fodder (basically non-YC tiers imo). Weevil is the supposedly the first powerful person actively hunting the WBPs (this got discussed by the marines and we also know they haven't fought yet. Also, consider they lost the payback war (so Marco wasn't capable of defeating BB) and also that the entire BBPs fled Akainu. Although, admittedly BB is a calculated fellow and only fights for specific reasons but it's still noteworthy. Marco imo should be in the Tier 4.5 bracket.

On Mihawk- if anything, he should be the one taking Marco's place in the Tier 4 bracket. Mihawk at the moment is a cut above the YCs imo.

On BB- Not underestimating him but I think he should be on Tier 2.5. It's been some time since Marineford yes, but BB was manhandled by Sickbeard. Sengoku alone was more or less taking care of the BBPs. Yes, even though he planned to still engage Sengoku, he felt Sengoku's time had passed (underestimating him). BB fled a single Admiral even though he had his entire crew. The fact that Akainu alone was sent also shows their thoughts of BB.
BB so far has backed away from Admiral/Yonko level characters. I do know things have changed since then but I don't really feel BB (strength-wise) is quite there with the other yonko.

 

[M3J]

Lol at that ranking Fox put up....Luffy below everyone. I'll take his arguments with total seriousness now...

Also, Rayleigh at 76 breathing hard is now fainting...lol, i can't even...

What's wrong with that? Luffy pre-timeskip would have been wrecked on Punk Hazard by either Vergo or Caesar. Or am I getting Fox's list confused with someone else's?
He explained that he didn't know where to put Luffy. Luffy should be on the same level as Katakuri for now.

 

[XXGenesis]

One Piece top tier list are kinda known, but I'll entertain.


Roger & WB Prime are at the top.

Yonkou's..includes Prime Garp, Sengoku; Fleet Akainu

Admirals. PTS Garp, PTS Sengoku; Oden; Mihawk; Rayleigh

C1
C2
C3
C4?( 700M-500M)

Then the New world standard. Perespero is not the standard..He owned Pedro, & then powered scaled their bounties .

Just think the standard start at 300k+ & haki user.

 

[Fox666]

What's wrong with that? Luffy pre-timeskip would have been wrecked on Punk Hazard by either Vergo or Caesar. Or am I getting Fox's list confused with someone else's?
He explained that he didn't know where to put Luffy. Luffy should be on the same level as Katakuri for now.

I was expecting people could tell, just by looking at the images, that Luffy or Zoro were pre-timeskip. Besides they are ranked along with the CP9.

N00bs.

If you want to know, Luffy post-timeskip would be next to Chinjao (without Gear 4), next to Cracker (Gear 4), and next to Katakuri (end of Whole Cake arc). These are more than obvious.

But I don't know how strong Luffy is after training in Udon, so I left him out.

 

[M3J]

I was expecting people could tell, just by looking at the images, that Luffy or Zoro were pre-timeskip. Besides they are ranked along with the CP9.

N00bs.

If you want to know, Luffy post timeskip would be next to Chinjao (without Gear 4), next to Cracker (Gear 4), and next to Katakuri (end of Whole Cake arc). These are more than obvious.

But I don't how strong Luffy is after training in Udon, so I left him out.

I thought that was obvious as well, and I tend not to be so fast at times. <_<

I'd still put him next to Katakuri after the Udon training. You're an otaku so you have enough time to promote him after this arc.

 

[goldb]

I'm still fiddling around with my list and I just took him out for that reason. No idea where he could be. I had on current Rayleigh's level.

I'll just put my list up because I keep going back and forth with some characters and I don't want to deal with this all night.

Spoiler

Still not happy with it. Garp would probably be on that level at his prime. He should be a tier lower. Hawkin could probably be a tier higher.

More or less in agreement with this; I'd move a couple of pieces like unless you're referring to them in their prime?

I would probably put Killer in the NW standard/captain level and put Rob Lucci in the commander level. For me, he's gotta be at least that strong. I'd also put Kid there, purely from my expectations of him as a rival to Luffy and Law.

 

[Fox666]

I would probably put Killer in the NW standard/captain level and put Rob Lucci in the commander level. For me, he's gotta be at least that strong. I'd also put Kid there, purely from my expectations of him as a rival to Luffy and Law.

After the timeskip, should Lucci match Luffy strength with Gear 2 or with Gear 4?

 

[goldb]

After the timeskip, should Lucci match Luffy strength with Gear 2 or with Gear 4?

He's already faced Luffy in Gear 2 and physically was a match for him until the Gatling Gun at the end. I can't really say how strong he's gotten but I don't imagine he's too inferior to Luffy if anything. If they clashed again, I see it like a Katakuri fight; lots of physical hits and it'd come down to superior haki rather than strength alone.

 

[jaymizzo]

Was thinking about this earlier while writing about Law and Kidd - Luffy has easily the 4th or 5th best crew in the whole series (crew as in allies etc). Imagine if he was to just have 8 divisions with the executive level or below etc as members of those divisions.

He has at least 20 people ranging from executive to YC level and a sizable portion of people who can be useful and aren't entirely fodder.
Update: added special war potentials

• YC or above (9): 4 SH + 3 samurai + 2 minks : Luffy, Jinbe (div 2), Zoro (div 1), Denjiro (div 4), Ashura (div 5), Sanji (div 3), Kawamatsu (div 6), Ina (div 7) and Neko (div 8).
• Executive (15): 6 SH + 2 samurai + 6 minks + 4 grand fleet : Cavendish, Barto, Brook, Robin, Kiku, Sai, Hajrudin, Shishilian, Roddy, Blackback, Concelot, Giovanni, Carrot, Kinemon.
• Special war potentials (2): Momo (Zunisha), Shirahoshi (Poseidon).

Then the rest who are going to be useful and can probably keep some lower ranked VA and below busy. Cant name them all.
Update: added Fishman Island princess

• Minister: mid level minks, rest of grand fleet, some in the scabbards, Fukahoshi (surely he has grown).
• Useful: at least 10 non fodder in Wano, 2 FI princes.
• Fodder: 5k+

That would be a monstrous crew but all the same, if Luffy wages war on you and isn't above calling all his allies, you are effed. The rest of the supernovas can't keep up.

Edit: Got too bored yesterday so here would be the breakdown. (In hindsight, I almost don't want to give Zoro a division and instead just have him as the solo one man army and first mate).

Spoiler: Division format

Captain: Luffy

Division 1: Zoro, Cavendish, Kiku,
Division 2: Jinbei, Brook, Robin,
Division 3: Sanji, Barto, Shishilian,
Division 4: Denjiro, Sai, Roddy,
Division 5: Ashura, Blackback, Hajrudin,
Division 6: Kawamatsu, Carrot,
Division 7: Ina, Kinemon,
Division 8: Neko, Concelot

Was hoping each division had a monster trio but anyone suggest a way to complete this with only SH main crew and allies. The division leaders cannot change though.

 

[nik87]

 

[goldb]

Where did you make yours? I wanna use the same template.

Explain your reasoning for having the Gorosei there please?