One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[nik87]

Where did you make yours? I wanna use the same template.
Explain your reasoning for having the Gorosei there please?

Create a One Piece Character Tier Ranking Tier List

Includes all Canon One Piece characters. Also included some from the filler arc G8.

tiermaker.com

There ya go.
I think they are almost as powerful as Admirals and the legends of previous era. So to say, a tier between YC1 and Admirals but very close to admirals.
The gap is very small. Also, some characters from tier below can beat a character from tier above... Match-up plays a big role.

 

[thedude]

Much easier to read then the others. The pictures on the other i have to squint and try to figure out who it is.

Obviously it's wrong for having Mihawk on the top lol, and Sanji 3 levels below Zoro despite always being on his level very explicitly by Oda (like Kaku and Jabra being the same strength)...

Zoro on the level of Katakuri (and maybe even above him) is just absurd, you'll have to wait for him to actually beat a YC before that.

 

[nik87]

Zoro on the level of Katakuri (and maybe even above him) is just absurd, you'll have to wait for him to actually beat a YC before that.

Once Zoro defeats an opponent then it is too late and you have to re-evaluate his power level because once he goes out all, he literally stomps his opponents.
This is a correct estimate of his PL without seeing him go all out, imo.
Considering that there are 3 swordsmen more in that same tier, Mihawk's place is justified.
Zoro being 3 levels above Sanji is where I always had him.
If you come back to this tier after Wano, you will see that I was, more or less, right.

 

[albertwv]

Post TS Lucci, we have only seen him clash in a fight with Sabo in a movie. I don't like to rank how characters fight in the movies. It kinda throws off everything else. For example, Z was shown to be equal to Kizaru or at least could keep up with Kizaru, but he eventually loses to G2 Luffy, not even G4 Luffy. I mean G4 wasnt a thing yet but still.
What I can assume CP0 Lucci is at least VA level because I am assuming CP0 agents are VA level above, maybe even YC. I won't put Lucci above G2 Luffy, though.

BTW, Nik's list is hilarious
He seriously put Mihawk and Shiki on the top level. Zolo equal to Marco, Katakuri and Luffy. Nik has lost all credibility.

 

[goldb]

So I've made mine:

Spoiler

Oden isn't on the list of characters available but I'd have included him in the Admiral class. The Ryuma on the list is supposed to the original, from legend and not the zombie from Thriller Bark.

For Yonkou Commanders, I've included them all in at least that class though I'm from their strength level, it'd be more accurate to spread them across anywhere between NW Captain to Admiral, where I have Marco. Only other exceptions are for Ben Beckman, Katakuri, Vista and King. Based on current showing, a lot of could actually be lower.

I would've liked to include more of Big Mom's children, as she has a lot of fighters but there's simply too many LOL.

Let know what you think.

 

[Pirate Queen]

So I've made mine:

Spoiler

Oden isn't on the list of characters available but I'd have included him in the Admiral class. The Ryuma on the list is supposed to the original, from legend and not the zombie from Thriller Bark.

For Yonkou Commanders, I've included them all in at least that class though I'm from their strength level, it'd be more accurate to spread them across anywhere between NW Captain to Admiral, where I have Marco. Only other exceptions are for Ben Beckman, Katakuri, Vista and King.

I would've liked to include more of Big Mom's children, as she has a lot of fighters but there's simply too many LOL.

Let know what you think.

Good list. I severely question Kuma, Sanji, Kidd, and Law's placement. Shiki on Yonko tier and Garp with WB and Roger... but over all not a bad list. No list is gunna ever be accurate but not bad.

I wish I had the patience to put a full list together lol

 

[nik87]

BTW, Nik's list is hilarious
He seriously put Mihawk and Shiki on the top level. Zolo equal to Marco, Katakuri and Luffy. Nik has lost all credibility.

Thanks. Make your own list and post so we can see who was right after all.

@goldb I wouldnt place WB and Roger on a special pedestal.
Sabo too high. Mihawk under Shanks? Marco too high.
Doffy and Lucci too high. Shiki too low.
Zoro, Shiryu, Magellan, Kuma too low, imo.
Keep it like that tho and let's compare after Wano.

 

[M3J]

Garp being below Roger makes no sense as Garp's managed to corner Roger many times and survive their fights and is generally put on the same plane as Whitebeard and Roger.

 

[goldb]

Good list. I severely question Kuma, Sanji, Kidd, and Law's placement. Shiki on Yonko tier and Garp with WB and Roger... but over all not a bad list. No list is gunna ever be accurate but not bad.

I wish I had the patience to put a full list together lol

What do you question exactly, too high/ too low?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Garp being below Roger makes no sense as Garp's managed to corner Roger many times and survive their fights and is generally put on the same plane as Whitebeard and Roger.

But Garp doesn't have a sword lol

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What do you question exactly, too high/ too low?

Too low I think. Kuma should be a tier or two higher. The rest at least a tier above

 

[nik87]

Garp being below Roger makes no sense as Garp's managed to corner Roger many times and survive their fights and is generally put on the same plane as Whitebeard and Roger.

He doesnt have any feats except needing Sengoku's help to beat Shiki. Also, needing Roger to beat Rocks.
The "Hero" of Marines and his legendary off-panel feats...

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

He doesnt have any feats except needing Sengoku's help to beat Shiki. Also, needing Roger to beat Rocks.
The "Hero" of Marines and his legendary off-panel feats...

What happened to Roger's statement before his execution : " Garp, you and I fought many times and almost killed each other everytime..." (not the exact words but something like that)
Doesn't that mean he's on PK level acknowledge by the PK himself ?
He put Marco's Phœnix form on the ground when Admiral Kizaru couldn't even scratch it.

 

[nik87]

What happened to Roger's statement before his execution : " Garp, you and I fought many times and almost killed each other everytime..." (not the exact words but something like that)
Doesn't that mean he's on PK level acknowledge by the PK himself ?
He put Marco's Phœnix form on the ground when Admiral Kizaru couldn't even scratch it.

More or less the same as Yonko rivaling each other while not seeing each other in decades. Nothing but off-panel hype.
Shooting cannons from their ships at each other counts as fighting and almost killing each other.
Marco proceeds to fight after Garp has hit him. You could count that as impressive movement speed feat tho.
On the other hand, hakiless G2 Luffy has dealt him way more damage than it is acceptable for a supposed top tier.
Magellan took a worse attack and didnt take any damage lol.

 

[Aki1991]

Good list. I severely question Kuma, Sanji, Kidd, and Law's placement. Shiki on Yonko tier and Garp with WB and Roger... but over all not a bad list. No list is gunna ever be accurate but not bad.

I wish I had the patience to put a full list together lol

Agree with this but however, I think some are underestimating the old admirals. I can totally see Sengoku and Akainu being on Yonko level. But we have to wait and see what they will offer.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

He doesnt have any feats except needing Sengoku's help to beat Shiki. Also, needing Roger to beat Rocks.
The "Hero" of Marines and his legendary off-panel feats...

He doesn't need to have any feats for us to know what the story implies as to how strong Garp is. There are dozens of cases where Garp is shown/implied to be immensely strong. I wouldn't doubt that he is around Roger's level if I were you.

Requiring Sengoku's help against Shiki has nothing to do with Garp being supposedly not as strong as people believe he is. They are marine soldiers on duty. They need to take the bad guy down. They're not flexing muscles just for the sake of it. It's a guaranteed win if two admiral-yonko level guys take on an another admiral-yonko level guy.

He put Marco's Phœnix form on the ground when Admiral Kizaru couldn't even scratch it.

To be fair it's not exactly how Kizaru's lasers would work against someone whose DF ability literally allows them to regenerate. They pierce through whereas punches obviously do not.

 

[HereNThere]

Well damn, since we're going all in on speculative power levels, here's my updated with the additional characters.

Spoiler

Requiring Sengoku's help against Shiki has nothing to do with Garp being supposedly not as strong as people believe he is. They are marine soldiers on duty. They need to take the bad guy down. They're not flexing muscles just for the sake of it. It's a guaranteed win if two admiral-yonko level guys take on an another admiral-yonko level guy.

Also, they probably needed to take him down as quick as possible before he could trash Marineford anymore than he did. Speaking of which, I meant to have him at the lower tier.

 

[nik87]

He doesn't need to have any feats for us to know what the story implies as to how strong Garp is. There are dozens of cases where Garp is shown/implied to be immensely strong. I wouldn't doubt that he is around Roger's level if I were you.

Requiring Sengoku's help against Shiki has nothing to do with Garp being supposedly not as strong as people believe he is. They are marine soldiers on duty. They need to take the bad guy down. They're not flexing muscles just for the sake of it. It's a guaranteed win if two admiral-yonko level guys take on an another admiral-yonko level guy.

And I think he is very strong but I am not equaling him with Roger or others I placed above him. There is also no reason to place Garp above Sengoku.
Just because I put him in a tier below doesnt mean I consider him weak, on the contrary, the difference between those first 3 tiers could be very small.

However, you can notice that in first row I have placed all the weapon users and I still have to see how Garp deals with Roger's sword or the weapon of any other top tier who is a worthy opponent for Garp.

 

[albertwv]

Why are people including Ryuma, the Gorosei, Shiki, and Dragon? Ryuma is irrelevant plus we can NOT gauge his actual strength, so why would you put him on Yonko tier and above? Ridiculous. The Gorosei, as far I know they are council members, no feats have shown them actually fighting. That goes for Im as well. Do not rank them just yet. Shiki is old news from Roger's Era, the Old Shiki may have been Yonko level but now he is weak losing to Pre TS Luffy. Like I've mentioned before One Piece films, even if they are made by ODA, should not be taken into account, they kinda off balance everything else.
Dragon, is the most wanted man, so I can see why you may think he is powerful, but as far as we know, he has shown no concrete feats, so let's avoid putting him on a tier. IMHO, he can be at least Admiral level, but I'm not ranking him just yet.
Sabo, I don't think he's admiral level, YC level yes, maybe YC1.

How I rank characters is based on Doflamingo and G4 Luffy and G2 Luffy after WCI. For example, we know G4 Luffy> Doffy. We also know Katakuri = G4 Luffy (WCI). Also, I want to say Doffy = Cracker, they seem to be equal. Doffy > Law. Jack = Cat and Dog. Jack = Ashura Doji, we didn't see the whole fight end, maybe Ashura Doji would win eventually. I'm sure Jack > Doffy, with a high diff because Jack was able to fight and survive from 1 admiral, 1 former fleet admiral, 1 Senior VA, and 2 lower VAs. Thats alot of man power and Jack was able to survive, he did lose but he was able to escape, im surprised. That's why I see Jack being really strong.

I compare everyone's strength to Doffy. Can Wano Kid, defeat Doffy? I say not. We haven't seen him do any major feats like that besides injuring a commander from Big Mom. Can Zolo or even Sanji defeat Doffy? I'm still going to say no because we haven't seen them do anything that hints they are that level just eyt. after Wano yes I believe they will, but currently no. Do you think Sabo can defeat Doffy? Maybe high diff. But I don't see Sabo defeating Fujitora or even Katakuri.

 

[Shasha23]

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[Deleted member 169696]

And I think he is very strong but I am not equaling him with Roger or others I placed above him. There is also no reason to place Garp above Sengoku.
Just because I put him in a tier below doesnt mean I consider him weak, on the contrary, the difference between those first 3 tiers could be very small.

However, you can notice that in first row I have placed all the weapon users and I still have to see how Garp deals with Roger's sword or the weapon of any other top tier who is a worthy opponent for Garp.

Well. It's already an established fact — Garp and Roger, they nearly killed each other multiple times. It means that Garp could go toe to toe with Roger barehanded.

Though I understand where you're coming from. I can't quite imagine it myself, a realistic way for someone like Luffy to overpower a sword user with fists only. It does seem a little implausible.

I mean... Sure, hakied up fists can become as hard as steel, but actual steel clad in haki is without a doubt a deadlier weapon...