One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Brandish μ]

Zoro. I actually don't like the prospect of Jinbei being top 3 in SH. If we have to bump down our hyped fighters like Zoro and Sanji it has to be for someone who is hype themselves, for mine

 

[M3J]

CoA to break swords, shockwave punch thing, giant water blast thing.

None of that is guaranteed though, especially if Enma is a powerhouse as the manga states. Plus, Zoro's CoA looks top tier as well that Jinbei's CoA may not work.

 

[Fox666]

I think that slash from Big Mom was many times stronger than anything Zoro can do.

 

[M3J]

"Think" is not the same as proven.

If this was during FI, at latest, I'd go with Jinbei.

 

[Pirate Queen]

None of that is guaranteed though, especially if Enma is a powerhouse as the manga states. Plus, Zoro's CoA looks top tier as well that Jinbei's CoA may not work.

Jinbe wasn't cut by a full powered slash of BM... are you implying Zoro's slashes are stronger than BM's???

 

[Fox666]

Hello Hannybal Psyque. Welcome back. I was missing you posting gigantic images filling the whole page.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Hello Hannybal Psyque. Welcome back. I was missing you posting gigantic images filling the whole page.

Fuck I WISH I had thr patience to write essay like him... im obviously not HP because nothing is highlighted hahahaha

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Probably not what you're talking about, but despite Jinbei being his natural enemy due to water vs. fire, Ace still managed to fight Jinbei for days and still have enough power to create a fire wall to protect his crew.

I ignore these kind of "feats" because they are mostly bullshit. Our two giants were fighting for 100 years, so what. We dont know how intense those offscreen fights over days were.

 

[M3J]

Zoro. I actually don't like the prospect of Jinbei being top 3 in SH. If we have to bump down our hyped fighters like Zoro and Sanji it has to be for someone who is hype themselves, for mine

What if they're on equal plane, but their speciality is what makes one seem superior over the other?

Jinbe wasn't cut by a full powered slash of BM... are you implying Zoro's slashes are stronger than BM's???

I should like to see evidence please of whether or not Zoro's slashes are weaker than Big Mom's.

 

[Pirate Queen]

What if they're on equal plane, but their speciality is what makes one seem superior over the other?


I should like to see evidence please of whether or not Zoro's slashes are weaker than Big Mom's.

You seriously think Zoro slash = Big Mom's slash?

Honestly thats cringy

 

[M3J]

I ignore these kind of "feats" because they are mostly bullshit. Our two giants were fighting for 100 years, so what. We dont know how intense those offscreen fights over days were.

We also saw the two giants take rests every now and then. In regards to JInbei vs. Ace, it's not like anyone said they rested for a while or something before fighting.

 

[Shasha23]

What if they're on equal plane, but their speciality is what makes one seem superior over the other?

I should like to see evidence please of whether or not Zoro's slashes are weaker than Big Mom's.

Well i might buy it that the 3 are roughly on the same level with Zoro specializing is DC, Jinbe being a tank and Sanji in speed, but still.

But seriously man there is no way at the moment for Zoro to do a slash as powerful as Linlin, maybe Zoro would have used a technique to ignore Jinbe's defence but still i just cant see how you can justify Zoro using slashes more powerful that Big Mum

 

[M3J]

You seriously think Zoro slash = Big Mom's slash?

Honestly thats cringy

Upon rereading the chapter, probably not. But Zoro's strength is on another level, like Luffy's, so he could still do some damage to Jinbei.

Your face is cringey.

Well i might buy it that the 3 are roughly on the same level with Zoro specializing is DC, Jinbe being a tank and Sanji in speed, but still.

But seriously man there is no way at the moment for Zoro to do a slash as powerful as Linlin, maybe Zoro would have used a technique to ignore Jinbe's defence but still i just cant see how you can justify Zoro using slashes more powerful that Big Mum

Well, I meant ZOro is a swordsman, Jinbei is a hand-to-hand martial artist who uses Fishman karate, and Sanji's a martial artist as well who uses his legs to fight.

 

[Brandish μ]

What if they're on equal plane, but their speciality is what makes one seem superior over the other?

I am fine with Zoro and Sanji being on the same tier. And maybe I'll be okay with Jinbei...

That said Zoro is 2, Sanji 3, and Jinbei 4 otherwise it's a fumble by Oda.

 

[King Moe]

I really want to believe that these SHs that you've mentioned will receive good treatment from Oda. And won't be used to only fight fodder...

I mean I get it... We don't have time for every strawhat to engage in a serious fight, but man do I want Usopp to finally fight someone legitimately strong AND win.

Same for Franky, Brook... Robin and Chopper... Couldn't care less, actually...

I think that Franky, Robin and Brook should definitely pair up with the Tobi Roppo though.

If Luffy, going to fight Yonkos and solidify his 'Fifth Yonko' status, Sanji, Zoro, and Jimbei will be his Yonko Commander and face the YCs, so it leaves Mid-Tier and 'Weak-Trio' to be on level at least YV, so if they face T6H or Big Mom's High Minstries and beat them, that can solidify them on their level. We got many enemy forces, so surely every Strawhat will get their deserve spotlight to get a fight in this War.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Jinbei walked away from BM without a single injury... i doubt Zoro can do much, if anything to Zoro with his current showing. The added cutting power of Enma might and most likely will change this.

 

[M3J]

I am fine with Zoro and Sanji being on the same tier. And maybe I'll be okay with Jinbei...

That said Zoro is 2, Sanji 3, and Jinbei 4 otherwise it's a fumble by Oda.

Why do you resent a former shichibukai being on an equal standing or stronger than Zoro and Sanji? He was also the former captain of Sun Pirates and sought by Big Mom to the point that she wanted to scare him into staying loyal to her. He also did well in the war until he was getting Luffy away from Akainu, to boot.

Jinbei walked away from BM without a single injury... i doubt Zoro can do much, if anything to Zoro with his current showing. The added cutting power of Enma might and most likely will change this.

He definitely wouldn't be able to take on Big Mom and win unless Enma is strong enough to bypass an Emperor's defense. Fortunately for Zoro Jinbei's defense isn't Big Mom level.

 

[Aki1991]

I think currently Jinbei is stronger but probably Zoro will surpass him after Wano. Maybe Sanji will surpass Jinbei in the future also but I am not sure. Jinbei is a monster and his past fight were amazing. However, those 3 will be Luffys YC imo.

 

[Fox666]

Well i might buy it that the 3 are roughly on the same level with Zoro specializing is DC, Jinbe being a tank and Sanji in speed, but still.

IMHO Zoro is the tank. He can withstand disproportionately more damage.

I don't recall anything that implies Jinbe is a tank. He could block the attack of a weakened Big Mom, but he also punched her away. If anything, he is the most balanced.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 27, 2020, Original Post Date: Apr 27, 2020 ---

They way I see it:

Luffy
- Attack: ★★★★
- Speed: ★★★★
- Durability: ★★★★★

Luffy combines both strength and speed on his attacks. He also has inhumane durability.

Zoro
- Attack: ★★★★
- Speed: ★
- Durability: ★★★★★

Zoro's swordmanship focus on powerful slashes, as opposed to someone like Brook who relies on speed. He also tends to not avoid attacks. Like his captain, Zoro can withstand impossible injuries.

Sanji
- Attack: ★★★
- Speed: ★★★★★
- Durability: ★★

While Sanji can deliver strong kicks, they are nothing spectacular to someone on his level. His specialty is the speed of his attacks. While he can withstand some damage, he's prone to having lasting injuries after combat.

Jinbe
- Attack: ★★★★
- Speed: ★★★
- Durability: ★★★★

Jinbe got some powerful hits in the form of shock-waves. He proved competent at dodging attacks. His durability is clearly above average, possibly due to his Fish-man skin.

 

[Fox666]

If Luffy, going to fight Yonkos and solidify his 'Fifth Yonko' status, Sanji, Zoro, and Jimbei will be his Yonko Commander and face the YCs, so it leaves Mid-Tier and 'Weak-Trio' to be on level at least YV, so if they face T6H or Big Mom's High Minstries and beat them, that can sodlufy their level. We got many enemy forces, so surely every Strawhat will get their deserve spotlight to get a fight in this War.

Given the number of allies, Luffy may not face Kaido alone.

I highly doubt Luffy will be Yonko level by the end of Wano arc, otherwise there's little room to improvement after it, despite the remaining number of enemies (Blackbeard, Akainu, etc).