One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[goldb]

Can you put an option that they are equal? In the poll you've created

Sorry, didn't see this until now but I think someone's added that already.

 

[Shasha23]

@Fox666

Its more like this for me

Luffy
- Attack: ★★★★
- Speed: ★★★★
- Durability: ★★★★★
Luffy's overall stats are all high making him an overall balanced fighter.

Zoro
- Attack: ★★★★★
- Speed: ★★
- Durability: ★★★★★
Zoro's attack power is the highest and always ends his fights with 1 hit.

Jinbe
- Attack: ★★★★
- Speed: ★★★
- Durability: ★★★★
Jinbe is balanced like Luffy but his stats are a step lower

Sanji
- Attack: ★★
- Speed: ★★★★★
- Durability: ★★
Sanji is the fastest but lacks the power to do any significant damage because of his weak CoA

#This thread is seriously starting to step into the power ranking realm now

 

[thedude]

Given the number of allies, Luffy may not face Kaido alone.

I highly doubt Luffy will be Yonko level by the end of Wano arc, otherwise there's little room to improvement after it, despite the remaining number of enemies (Blackbeard, Akainu, etc).

Luffy was Schibukai level early on after beating Crocodile. Didn't mean that there was no room for him to grow or fight stronger opponents, even at that level in the future (Moira and Kuma were still threats long after Crocodile was taken out.)

If Luffy beats Kaido alone, that doesn't make Blackbeard a weaker opponent when they fight, or whoever is the final villain for him to defeat.

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@eefrit if so then why are you deleting my post addressing @thedude regarding Killer and Vergo?

Anyway



Go reread PH when Sanji leaves to go fight Vergo and Zoro comments on it.

Why is everything about Zoro with you? man your really starting to get annoying, also what does Killer have to do with Zoro anyway, please leave your Zoro boner somewhere else when replying to me please, Jesus!

Killer is part of the worst gen, he was capable to fight Kaido to the point where the yonko was impressed by him and wanted to make him into a subordinate, its pretty foolish to underestimate someone like that!

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Why are you quoting other people and putting my name as if I'm the one who said that?

can you people stop trolling for once

Lol at *me* having a boner for Zoro. That's literally the entire reason for every post you make. Hell, you literally just said Vergo isn't strong because you think Zoro was unimpressed by him. And what is the evidence of that? This panel?

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Zoro saying he felt an unfamiliar presence and let Sanji deal with it? Zoro has always been fine letting Sanji deal with opponents he felt were strong (see Ennies Lobby). But you for some reason see this single panel of him saying to let Sanji deal with Vergo as him dismissing Vergo, and therefore Vergo, the top commander of Doflamingo, the man who was kicking Smoker's ass, who was a match for Trafalgar Law, was weak.

It's frankly ridiculous.

 

[Fox666]

Not sure if I understand the discussion.

I don't recall anyone using Haki to determine how strong the opponent is in One Piece, like they do in Dragon Ball, Bleach, etc. Otherwise 90% of the battles that happened would have been avoided, because the result would already been known.

Zoro only knew there was someone, and Sanji is the one that went for it because he could not ignore a woman screaming for help. That's what Zoro meant by letting Sanji do his thing.

 

[afromarco005]

After Jimbei's feats in WCI I think he could be equal to or even stronger than WCI luffy.

Jimbe stopped a named enraged yonko attack with just his skin and haki thats a crazy fucking feat.

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The same yonko who evenly clashed with the world strongest creature.

Furthermore Jimbe was strong enough to send her flying to all of her children's surprise.

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so currenty luffy >=Jimbe>Zoro imo.

at the end of wano it'll be Luffy >>Zoro>= Jimbe

 

[Shasha23]

Lol at *me* having a boner for Zoro. That's literally the entire reason for every post you make. Hell, you literally just said Vergo isn't strong because you think Zoro was unimpressed by him. And what is the evidence of that? This panel?

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Zoro saying he felt an unfamiliar presence and let Sanji deal with it? Zoro has always been fine letting Sanji deal with opponents he felt were strong (see Ennies Lobby). But you for some reason see this single panel of him saying to let Sanji deal with Vergo as him dismissing Vergo, and therefore Vergo, the top commander of Doflamingo, the man who was kicking Smoker's ass, who was a match for Trafalgar Law, was weak.

It's frankly ridiculous.

Yeah sure buddy keep thinking that while you always bringing up Zoro in each of your post , if you had a little bit o reading comprehension you would have understood the meaning of the point but you just saw red and went on an ignorant rant!

Zoro has never let Sanji deal with people he thought Sanji couldn't beat whenever he was close by, get your head out of the clouds!
If Zoro felt Vergo was strong he wouldn't have let Sanji and would have stopped him, but he didn't since Vergo wasn't someone who would be a problem for Sanji.

It seems like my assessment of you is correct, you are the type that looks and pictures and words and fail to understand anything, back at Water 7 Zoro didn't want Sanji dealing with CP-9 because he felt Sanji couldn't win but Luffy overruled him and allowed Sanji to fight them and he ended up losing just as Zoro said, but i guess that also flew over your head didnt it!

Yes Vergo is weaker than a lot of people deal with it, don't make your delusions our problem, go see someone and deal with them, keep pestering me about this nonsense i will have to start billing you for this factual advice I'm giving you!

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Not sure if I understand the discussion.

I don't recall anyone using Haki to determine how strong the opponent is in One Piece, like they do in Dragon Ball, Bleach, etc. Otherwise 90% of the battles that happened would have been avoided, because the result would already been known.

Zoro only knew there was someone, and Sanji is the one that went for it because he could not ignore a woman screaming for help. That's what Zoro meant by letting Sanji do his thing.

Rayleigh has already demonstrated that you can use haki to determine the strength of someone.

Also even before we knew of haki people like Zoro and Luffy were also able to tell if someone was strong just by feeling their presence more soo after time skip after learning haki.

 

[thedude]

Not sure if I understand the discussion.

I don't recall anyone using Haki to determine how strong the opponent is in One Piece, like they do in Dragon Ball, Bleach, etc. Otherwise 90% of the battles that happened would have been avoided, because the result would already been known.

Zoro only knew there was someone, and Sanji is the one that went for it because he could not ignore a woman screaming for help. That's what Zoro meant by letting Sanji do his thing.

Some people are obsessed with Zoro so much that they'll turn anything into a way to build him up. It's actually getting comical (see his latest post, lol. A guy who bases his entire power rankings off of Zoro saying other people are obsessed with him lol). Apparently Zoro not thinking Sanji could defeat the entire CP9 now means that he was weak? Lol, i don't quite get how Shasha thinks, but maybe i'm not meant to understand the ravings of a...

Back to your thing about Luffy not fighting Kaido alone, my hope is that he does, and that Kid and Law tag team fight Big Mom instead. Kind of like when they took on the Pacifista back before the time skip. I think those two need to stay relatively close to Luffy strength wise, so taking out a Yonko together works.

 

[Griff]

As for me it's pretty simple.

Right now the top 4 is: 1. Luffy, 2. Jinbe, 3. Zoro, 4. Sanji

At the end of Wano I think the top 4 will be: 1. Luffy, 2. Zoro, 3. Jinbe, 4. Sanji

 

[Aki1991]

Jimbe stopped a named enraged yonko attack...

so currenty luffy >=Jimbe>Zoro imo.

at the end of wano it'll be Luffy >>Zoro>= Jimbe

Fully agree with this. Jinbei is a monster and underestimated by the Zoro fanboys. I think that Zoro will be the 1st YC after Wano but currently it is Jinbei imo. And it is even open, if Luffy is so much stronger than him. This has to be shown.

 

[Griff]

Fully agree with this. Jinbei is a monster and underestimated by the Zoro fanboys. I think that Zoro will be the 1st YC after Wano but currently it is Jinbei imo. And it is even open, if Luffy is so much stronger than him. This has to be shown.

Yes ! I can't wait to see at which level will Luffy improve after Wano? Will he be Admiral or Yonko level?? We shall see, I'd say admiral.

 

[hokageji]

It's hard to measure the strength of the Impel Down prisoners that joined Blackbeard.

I would expect them to be on a different level from the older members, but that doesn't appear to be the case based on this panel alone:

That is true, and that's my point.. I wish we knew more but since they're all level six prisoners, they'd all be atleast as strong as Jinbei, Crocodile etc....

 

[Fox666]

That is true, and that's my point.. I wish we knew more but since they're all level six prisoners, they'd all be atleast as strong as Jinbei, Crocodile etc....

Level 6 is not based on strength, but on the fact that the government wants to erase them from history.

The only one we have a good idea what he did is Avalo Pizarro, who is called the "corrupt king". I'm guessing that's not something that require strength.

 

[Core D. Roy]

Jinbei was kept away from the Strawhat crew so he wouldn't imbalance it too much during the last few arcs. Now that Zoro and Sanji both recently got big upgrades, they're in the same tier as Jinbei. Personally I think it'd still take both Zoro and Sanji to take down Jinbei. It doesn't all come down to power levels and granular analyses- Jinbei has decades of battle experience over both of them put together, and skills more refined than either.

 

[Aki1991]

Yes ! I can't wait to see at which level will Luffy improve after Wano? Will he be Admiral or Yonko level?? We shall see, I'd say admiral.

For me the gap between Admiral and Yonko level is very small. Can see them being equal also. For me it would be to fast to see Luffy on this level already, maybe in the next arc. But if he beats Kaidou he will be on this level imo.

 

[thedude]

Why do you resent a former shichibukai being on an equal standing or stronger than Zoro and Sanji? He was also the former captain of Sun Pirates and sought by Big Mom to the point that she wanted to scare him into staying loyal to her. He also did well in the war until he was getting Luffy away from Akainu, to boot.


He definitely wouldn't be able to take on Big Mom and win unless Enma is strong enough to bypass an Emperor's defense. Fortunately for Zoro Jinbei's defense isn't Big Mom level.

I think it's just because of how things have been set up from day 1 by Oda. Luffy 1, Zoro 2, Sanji close behind as 3. To have someone just waltz in and usurp that ranking just feels off. I don't mind Jinbe being a new strong member, but I think the way Oda's written it, that should be how things settle.

 

[Aki1991]

I think it's just because of how things have been set up from day 1 by Oda. Luffy 1, Zoro 2, Sanji close behind as 3. To have someone just waltz in and usurp that ranking just feels off. I don't mind Jinbe being a new strong member, but I think the way Oda's written it, that should be how things settle.

Luffy will be a Yonko and Oda has shown that a Yonko has 3 commanders. Those 3 will be Luffys commanders and they will be quite close in power. Currently Jinbei is the strongest imo because of what he has shown in the past.

 

[thedude]

Level 6 is not based on strength, but on the fact that the government wants to erase them from history.

The only one we have a good idea what he did is Avalo Pizarro, who is called the "corrupt king". I'm guessing that's not something that require strength.

Right, but he survived the big brawl and was named a captain of one of Blackbeards ships, so I think we can assume he's also strong. But you are right, just being on Level 6 doesn't say anything about physical strength.

 

[thedude]

Luffy will be a Yonko and Oda has shown that a Yonko has 3 commanders. Those 3 will be Luffys commanders and they will be quite close in power. Currently Jinbei is the strongest imo because of what he has shown in the past.

I don't think Luffy will have commanders. He won't have them on separate ships, so it will be like Rogers crew, First Mate, doctor, cook, etc. His crew will be defined by job. The top 3 in his crew will definitely be the three you mention, i think just as a long time fan i'd rather slot it Zoro>Sanji>Jinbe, which really just works out to "Zoro fights 2nd strongest, Sanji 3rd, Jinbe 4th", which isn't much different from the commander thing you mention since like you say they all have 3 commanders (well...except BB!)

 

[Aki1991]

I don't think Luffy will have commanders. He won't have them on separate ships, so it will be like Rogers crew, First Mate, doctor, cook, etc. His crew will be defined by job. The top 3 in his crew will definitely be the three you mention, i think just as a long time fan i'd rather slot it Zoro>Sanji>Jinbe, which really just works out to "Zoro fights 2nd strongest, Sanji 3rd, Jinbe 4th", which isn't much different from the commander thing you mention since like you say they all have 3 commanders (well...except BB!)

Agree, BB crew is comparable and yes I think SH will be like you mentioned.

 

[King Moe]

IMHO Zoro is the tank. He can withstand disproportionately more damage.

I don't recall anything that implies Jinbe is a tank. He could block the attack of a weakened Big Mom, but he also punched her away. If anything, he is the most balanced.

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They way I see it:

Luffy
- Attack: ★★★★
- Speed: ★★★★
- Durability: ★★★★★

Luffy combines both strength and speed on his attacks. He also has inhumane durability.

Zoro
- Attack: ★★★★
- Speed: ★
- Durability: ★★★★★

Zoro's swordmanship focus on powerful slashes, as opposed to someone like Brook who relies on speed. He also tends to not avoid attacks. Like his captain, Zoro can withstand impossible injuries.

Sanji
- Attack: ★★★
- Speed: ★★★★★
- Durability: ★★

While Sanji can deliver strong kicks, they are nothing spectacular to someone on his level. His specialty is the speed of his attacks. While he can withstand some damage, he's prone to having lasting injuries after combat.

Jinbe
- Attack: ★★★★
- Speed: ★★★
- Durability: ★★★★

Jinbe got some powerful hits in the form of shock-waves. He proved competent at dodging attacks. His durability is clearly above average, possibly due to his Fish-man skin.

@Fox666

Its more like this for me

Luffy
- Attack: ★★★★
- Speed: ★★★★
- Durability: ★★★★★
Luffy's overall stats are all high making him an overall balanced fighter.

Zoro
- Attack: ★★★★★
- Speed: ★★
- Durability: ★★★★★
Zoro's attack power is the highest and always ends his fights with 1 hit.

Jinbe
- Attack: ★★★★
- Speed: ★★★
- Durability: ★★★★
Jinbe is balanced like Luffy but his stats are a step lower

Zoro
- Attack: ★★
- Speed: ★★★★★
- Durability: ★★
Sanji is the fastest but lacks the power to do any significant damage because of his weak CoA

#This thread is seriously starting to step into the power ranking realm now

Dudes, Zoro isn't a tank anymore. His fights with Hawkins especially Kamazou remove his tanking and durability down especially Enma sucks away his Haki more if he puts more power into it.

Luffy, Sanji, and Jimbei are better tankers than him. Also Sanji can tank with nothing lasting. He tank recently the Arrows that destroyed ships to help Nami. Idk where you still thinking he has durability issues when that was more headcannon thinking. Not to mention his Base Kicks are even harmful to T6H to PO that he went out of action for 2 weeks before coming back. Zoro couldn't even handle nerf Kamazou much and he came back faster than Zoro waking up. There not much 'lethal' there.

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As for me it's pretty simple.

Right now the top 4 is: 1. Luffy, 2. Jinbe, 3. Zoro, 4. Sanji

At the end of Wano I think the top 4 will be: 1. Luffy, 2. Zoro, 3. Jinbe, 4. Sanji

By feats and portrayal, Sanji would be above both as 2nd while Jimbei at 3rd and Zoro at 4th. Can't denied the backhand he got this arc in his past 4 fights.