One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Pirate Queen]

I believe Mihawk is the most skilled with the sword, ok. Still i don't think it makes him stronger than Shanks or any other yonko.
But I'm curious, did Oda himself ever said Mihawk is the strongest swordsman or only some characters said it?
Did Oda ever explained the meaning of being a swordsman? Or is it open to debate?

I don't think it can be debated in your sense. If you face Mihawk with a sword and nothing else, you will 100% lose. Among all swordsmen his is the strongest.
To defend my statement I bring up this arguement...


If Mihawk fought Fujitora (without his df) and Mihawk was about win, but Fujitora used his df and ended up winning the fight... would Fujitora had rightfully become the WSS? I'd say no because he didnt win the title with just his sword.

 

[AmitDS]

Absolutely not. Being the strongest pirate is not requirement to be PK. Baseless headcanon, nothing else.
You need to be strong, sure. Strongest? Not at all.

Actually strongest yes because only the strongest pirate can ward off the emperors, admirals and all the other threats in the New World. The Pirate King was able to stand up to Garp, Sengoku and Whitebeard. He wasn't just strong. He was the strongest on the highest level. People could match him but no one could have surpassed him during his reign.

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[nik87]

I believe Mihawk is the most skilled with the sword, ok. Still i don't think it makes him stronger than Shanks or any other yonko.
But I'm curious, did Oda himself ever said Mihawk is the strongest swordsman or only some characters said it?
Did Oda ever explained the meaning of being a swordsman? Or is it open to debate?

I really dont know where this "skilled" comes from when Oda never used it...
Both, characters said that Mihawk is strongest swordsman in the world and Oda gave him intro boxes several times which say the same.
What do you mean "the meaning of a swordsman"? Uses a sword to fight = swordsman. The most basic, common sense. Why does it need further explanation?

Actually strongest yes because only the strongest pirate can ward off the emperors, admirals and all the other threats in the New World. The Pirate King was able to stand up to Garp, Sengoku and Whitebeard. He wasn't just strong. He was the strongest on the highest level. People could match him but no one could have surpassed him during his reign.

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Any of those characters you mention could ward off each other and not all of them were the strongest so obviously being the strongest in not requirement.
Every top tier can ward off any other top tier, there is literally no need to be the strongest to be PK. Old age Rayleigh who hasnt used swords in decades is warding off a Marine admiral, Rayleigh is far from stronger and has enough strength to be PK.

Luffy's most terrifying power are not his abilities or techniques, it the power to make other people want to help him. Someone like that will never be the strongest. He is going to have the largest amount of allies one ever had, that's his greatest power. He achieves nothing by being the strongest, his fights constantly require help and allies. Let's not even start that he is not even close as lethal as swordsmen so let's not compare him to Roger but to Garp instead.

 

[M3J]

Because Oda said that Mihawk is a stronger swordsman than Shanks?
Do you know what strongest pirate means?
Who has said that being stronger than Shanks means stronger than all Yonko?
That must be headcanon of those who rank Shanks as the strongest.

I'm not talking about swordsmanship, I'm talking about an actual fight that involves more than swords.
No. Do you?

 

[Ramen]

I'm not talking about swordsmanship, I'm talking about an actual fight that involves more than swords.
No. Do you?

If that's the case then Fuji > Mihawk.

 

[nik87]

I'm not talking about swordsmanship, I'm talking about an actual fight that involves more than swords.
No. Do you?

I am talking about the same fight because nothing is ever excluded from Oda's side.
Only the fandom is making up some imaginary conditions and rules to what strongest swordsman is...

If that's the case then Fuji > Mihawk.

Based on what?

 

[Ramen]

Based on what?

No I'm not saying that. I'm assuming that's what he means. I forgot the question mark.


Personally I believe Mihawk would have a harder time in a 1v1 with Fuji over Shanks.

 

[nik87]

Personally I believe Mihawk would have a harder time in a 1v1 with Fuji over Shanks.

Well, Shanks is called Mihawk's greatest rival, not Fujitora.

 

[Ramen]

Well, Shanks is called Mihawk's greatest rival, not Fujitora.

That was a long time ago and it's different, Mihawk has never fought Fujitora as far as we know.

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Even his clashes with Shanks weren't serious.

 

[nik87]

Even his clashes with Shanks weren't serious.

What?

That was a long time ago and it's different,

It remains so in the present as well. Nothing indicates Fujitora is stronger than Shanks.

 

[Brandish μ]

I think when we see Shanks fight he'll be one of the strongest fighters. On the same level as Kaido, Akainu, Aokiji, whoever. That's how I see Oda's portrayal ofn Shanks.

 

[nik87]

I think when we see Shanks fight he'll be one of the strongest fighters. On the same level as Kaido, Akainu, Aokiji, whoever. That's how I see Oda's portrayal ofn Shanks.

Well, basically yeah. Oda hasnt put down any top tier below the other despite calling one stronger than the others, because he gains nothing from it as a writer. He would downplay his own creation if he made the difference in strength bloody obvious. Despite making and calling Kaido as the strongest, he didnt take a dump on Big Mom when she fought Kaido.

However, Shanks expectations might end up in disappointment. He has no clear purpose in the story, he might just be killed by Blackbeard, off-screen.
That would be devastating for Shanks fans, I guess.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

To change the topic,
What's your Top10 of the current known pirate crews ?

 

[Pirate Queen]

To change the topic,
What's your Top10 of the current known pirate crews ?

Red Hair Pirates
Big Mom Pirates
Beast Pirates
Blackbeard Armada
Strawhats Grand Fleet
The Rest...

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Nik said "Nothing's excluded from Oda's side" like Oda has went into depth about the WSS title hahaha. All we know is that there is the WSS title and than Mihawk has it. Other than that there is 0 explanation to the parameters of obtaining the title.

 

[nik87]

To change the topic,
What's your Top10 of the current known pirate crews ?

Kaido seems to have the highest numbers so his crew is probably the greatest force.
Big Mom has the second highest numbers so her crew is next in line.
Strawhat Pirates with their grand fleet are probably 3rd strongest crew.
Blackbeard pirates should be next in line, aside from their 10 titanic captains they seemed to be allied with fodder only and low in numbers.
RedHair Pirates while having quality core crew, their numbers seem to be low. They had couple of fodder on the island when Mihawk came for visit.
Next in line would be remnants of Whitebeard Pirates but without a captain they broke up. With proper captain they would rank above BBP perhaps at nr1.
Other crews didnt show noticeable numbers aside from core crew and rather low quality core members.
Maybe Kuja pirates are worth the mention since they seemed to have decent numbers.

 

[M3J]

If that's the case then Fuji > Mihawk.

Possible but if it was just swordfighting, then Mihawk would likely beat Fujitora.

I am talking about the same fight because nothing is ever excluded from Oda's side.

Oda said Strongest Swordsman, not the Strongest Pirate.

 

[nik87]

Oda said Strongest Swordsman, not the Strongest Pirate.

Being stronger than Shanks makes you the strongest Pirate?
First, the way Oda uses that also includes all the forces that pirate commands so you probably mean the strongest individual among pirates but my question would be the same. Shanks isnt strongest nor are you strongest if you are stronger than him. Kaido is said to be strongest, Whitebeard was stronger until he got sick and Mihawk is stronger.

Strongest Pirate is Whitebeard, strongest individual is Kaido, the strongest swordsman is Mihawk. Shanks was at best 4th strongest, among pirates.
In the whole world, who knows...

 

[Rmstorm]

I really dont know where this "skilled" comes from when Oda never used it...
Both, characters said that Mihawk is strongest swordsman in the world and Oda gave him intro boxes several times which say the same.
What do you mean "the meaning of a swordsman"? Uses a sword to fight = swordsman. The most basic, common sense. Why does it need further explanation?

Any of those characters you mention could ward off each other and not all of them were the strongest so obviously being the strongest in not requirement.
Every top tier can ward off any other top tier, there is literally no need to be the strongest to be PK. Old age Rayleigh who hasnt used swords in decades is warding off a Marine admiral, Rayleigh is far from stronger and has enough strength to be PK.

Luffy's most terrifying power are not his abilities or techniques, it the power to make other people want to help him. Someone like that will never be the strongest. He is going to have the largest amount of allies one ever had, that's his greatest power. He achieves nothing by being the strongest, his fights constantly require help and allies. Let's not even start that he is not even close as lethal as swordsmen so let's not compare him to Roger but to Garp instead.

Look at you bargaining because you know Luffy is above Zoro and will continue to be that strong. You are crying because of Luffy's stregnth. Unfortunatley for you, Luffy will be the strongest as that is his goal, to have the most freedom in the world, so that nobody can stop him from doing what he wants. So go cry to Oda.

Advanced Armamnet Haki makes it so Non weapon users are able to fight people with Weopons and lethal devil fruits. So Swordsman are no more a problem for Luffy. Advacned Armament Haki also gives luffy lethality using internal destruction haki.

 

[McNuss]

Kaido seems to have the highest numbers so his crew is probably the greatest force.
Big Mom has the second highest numbers so her crew is next in line.

Big Mom has like 10 times the army of Kaido.

Some 10k size army was sent to (and subsequently crushed by) Germa Kingdom.

It's just homies, but as far as numbers go she is at the top.

 

[M3J]

Being stronger than Shanks makes you the strongest Pirate?
First, the way Oda uses that also includes all the forces that pirate commands so you probably mean the strongest individual among pirates but my question would be the same. Shanks isnt strongest nor are you strongest if you are stronger than him. Kaido is said to be strongest, Whitebeard was stronger until he got sick and Mihawk is stronger.

Strongest Pirate is Whitebeard, strongest individual is Kaido, the strongest swordsman is Mihawk. Shanks was at best 4th strongest, among pirates.
In the whole world, who knows...

I'll just end this from my side with this:

we don't know who the fuck is stronger. Titles aren't everything, and Oda can just as easily hype up a character to have them lose to someone else.