One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
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[King Moe]

Lies. We said currently. None of us said he wouldn't get stronger.

Yes we asked for the current strongest 30 characters and you yourself didn't put Smoker.

We in talks about his current lvl on how he be now and you doubt he won't change from PH state which I disagree. It got started from that into strongest tier from this.

 

[Nie Li]

Nah, you don't get an actual faint spell to an bounce back after getting hit. Eyes turning white doesn't mean your out for good as means you took damage too as that is shown before.

Yes it does. Fainting you don't wake up fast if you actual faint.

Hard to tell by your posts as we keep discussing.

I assure you I don't intend to sound disrespectful, but the way you insist on "admit you're wrong when you're wrong" while admitting nothing youself, twisting every single discussion we have and jumping from your initial point of discussion to talk about a different fight that has nothing to do with your or my initial claims...

When I answer to that, it's hard to sound respectful, but I intend to sound like I am.

You pushed me to talk, again, about Zoro, Apoo and the Gifters, or you'd "think I don't have arguments and accuse me of avoiding discussing with you because I don't have them". I showed you I have plenty arguments. You ignored them to somehow talk about Zoro and Kamazou, that's on you, please let that topic die without accusations, I really prefer avoiding that discussion.

 

[Ramen]

We in talks about his current lvl on how he be now and you doubt he won't change from PH state which I disagree. It got started from that into strongest tier from this.

I legit said I hope he becomes an admiral what are you talking about?

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

@Pirate Queen Seems like we were right. Smoker isn't top 30.

 

[Nie Li]

I legit said I hope he becomes an admiral what are you talking about?

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

@Pirate Queen Seems like we were right. Smoker isn't top 30.

I think the topic literally started with you and I saying we are rooting for him to become one.

 

[King Moe]

Tell me what have I forced so I can know better, King Moe-sensei.

Just admit truth and you be fine instead acting things in your own mindset .

Want have honest debate after all.

 

[Ramen]

I think the topic literally started with you and I saying we are rooting for him to become one.

I'm pretty sure it did. I said I hope he becomes one giving his bad showings so far.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

Just admit truth and you be fine instead acting things in your own mindset .

Want have honest debate after all.

Do you recognize your own biases too though?

 

[King Moe]

But even if there are ties, that means there are more than 30 people stronger.

Smoker is not in the top 30 strongest characters. He's not a top 40 strongest either.

Not necessarily as he is in tier list scenario in power. We can agree to disagree about this, but we aren't changing minds here.

 

[Pirate Queen]

You guys ask for top strongest, than more on characters though. Which was original talk as you don't think current lvl Smoker wouldn't get much stronger than before.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

I thought you were Nik when I saw talks about Hancock in the last discussion before this. You take her very seriously XD.

I've admitted my bias for Hancock. Which is something you cannot do for Smoker or Sanji.

At this point its ridiculous.

You youself couldn't argue Smoker being top 30 when you said he is a solid 20-30 in your powers case. On top of that you have conveniently left off stronger characters

 

[Ramen]

Not necessarily as he is in tier list scenario in power. We can agree to disagree about this, but we aren't changing minds here.

You didn't put tiers.You numbered them.

I don't want to change your mind. You're wrong regardless.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

I've admitted my bias for Hancock. Which is something you cannot do for Smoker or Sanji.

At this point its ridiculous.

You youself couldn't argue Smoker being top 30 when you said he is a solid 20-30 in your powers case. On top of that you have conveniently left off stronger characters

Then lies about the things we've said about Smoker. lolz

 

[King Moe]

I've admitted my bias for Hancock. Which is something you cannot do for Smoker or Sanji.

At this point its ridiculous.

You youself couldn't argue Smoker being top 30 when you said he is a solid 20-30 in your powers case. On top of that you have conveniently left off stronger characters

Smoker, yes. Sanji, nah. I love all Strawhats and Sanji deserve more props compare to those who stated he isn't.

Not really, got a lot of stronger characters on the list for most part.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Smoker, yes. Sanji, nah. I love all Strawhats and Sanji deserve more props compare to those who stated he isn't.

Not really, got a lot of stronger characters on the list for most part.

But you left many out.

 

[King Moe]

I assure you I don't intend to sound disrespectful, but the way you insist on "admit you're wrong when you're wrong" while admitting nothing youself, twisting every single discussion we have and jumping from your initial point of discussion to talk about a different fight that has nothing to do with your or my initial claims...

When I answer to that, it's hard to sound respectful, but I intend to sound like I am.

You pushed me to talk, again, about Zoro, Apoo and the Gifters, or you'd "think I don't have arguments and accuse me of avoiding discussing with you because I don't have them". I showed you I have plenty arguments. You ignored them to somehow talk about Zoro and Kamazou, that's on you, please let that topic die without accusations, I really prefer avoiding that discussion.

Not being disrespectful to admit fault, just me typing normally about it in calm manner. Can't help it we can't show emotions behind our screens xD.

Then let's end talks here if we can't agree on it.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

But you left many out.

Who I missed?

 

[Nie Li]

Just admit truth and you be fine instead acting things in your own mindset .

Want have honest debate after all.

What an (un)elegant way to avoid answering. lol Well, whatever then. I always have honest debates about fiction.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Doglamingo and Hancock and Jinbei over Smoker? Stop it lll

 

[Nie Li]

Not being disrespectful to admit fault, just me typing normally about it in calm manner. Can't help it we can't show emotions behind our screens xD.

Then let's end talks here if we can't agree on it.

I never claimed you aren't calm or anything about that. Not that I care, either.

 

[King Moe]

You didn't put tiers.You numbered them.

I don't want to change your mind. You're wrong regardless.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

Then lies about the things we've said about Smoker. lolz

You can't be wrong on an opinion .

Still are. Anywho, don't be surprise if we see him next time stronger. Just want to put that in is all I was saying.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020 ---

Doglamingo and Hancock and Jinbei over Smoker? Stop it lll

Ehh......PH Smoker, yes. Current, Nah.

 

[Ramen]

You can't be wrong on an opinion .

Yes you can.

Still are. Anywho, don't be surprise if we see him next time stronger. Just want to put that in is all I was saying.

And we agreed. Still isn't a top 30 character.

 

[King Moe]

I never claimed you aren't calm or anything about that. Not that I care, either.

Cool. Just wanted have clear debate as even with our disagreements, doesn't mean I get upset.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

Yes you can.



And we agreed. Still isn't a top 30 character.

Wrong opinion what you said for example.

 

[Ramen]

Wrong opinion what you said for example.

Like what? You have 30 characters ahead of Smoker. So we agree he isn't.

 

[King Moe]

Like what? You have 30 characters ahead of Smoker. So we agree he isn't.

I don't see it as more power than character thing. I can't do tier list on here after all. Agree to disagree.