One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Gallon]

O Lin had no Haki.

I assumed you meant Big Mom as a character.

Top tiers probably are more than a thousand times stronger than a normal human, based on what Lucci, who in his base form had the physical strength equivalent of 400 trained marines (according to his dourikis) was able of doing. But is it important? What is the point that is tried to be proven here?

Fair enough, good point. I guess I should've gone with "in the thousands" in my wording.
This discussion is pointless, regardless.

 

[LadyVados]

Ah.
So you believe O Lin's punch has different strength to it than Big Mom?

No ?

 

[Nie Li]

No ?

Then if Big Mom relied on black armament to stop a punch in G4, I believe it's safe to say that a haki-less punch from her, be it in her original form or in O Lin form isn't that much stronger than Luffy's in G4, if stronger at all.

If she was confident that she was physically stronger than him with no haki she wouldn't have coated herself.

 

[LadyVados]

Then if Big Mom relied on black armament to stop a punch in G4, I believe it's safe to say that a haki-less punch from her, be it in her original form or in O Lin form isn't that much stronger than Luffy's in G4, if stronger at all.

If she was confident that she was physically stronger than him with no haki she wouldn't have coated herself.

Do you think Queen is much weaker than Dressrosa Luffy ?

Because he was clearly no match whatsoever for Hakiless O Lin and was much physically weaker.

 

[Nie Li]

Do you think Queen is much weaker than Dressrosa Luffy ?

Physically and without taking haki into account, yes, he's weaker, even if we take his dinosaur form into account.

But he had haki when he faced O Lin, so she overcame her. If O Lin fights Luffy with no haki in a physical contest I also believe she would lose.

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Just to clarify, in both examples I'm counting Luffy does have haki, since the example of the Kong Gun that you provided is a haki-imbued punch. G4 in itself is not possible with no haki.

But, either way, no-haki Luffy vs no-haki Queen I still think Luffy would beat him up.

 

[LadyVados]

But he had haki when he faced O Lin, so she overcame her.

We must be reading different mangas.

 

[Nie Li]

We must be reading different mangas.

Where does it say he wasn't using haki, and why wouldn't he? You know that Oda not always draws it and that not all haki is black coating.

I don't expect a YC2 to face a Yonko and don't even protect himself with haki.

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[LadyVados]

Where does it say he wasn't using haki, and why wouldn't he? You know that Oda not always draws it and that not all haki is black coating.

I don't expect a YC2 to face a Yonko and don't even protect himself with haki.

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Exactly.

Queen was using Haki and O Lin wasn’t. Yet he was still no match whatsoever.

 

[Nie Li]

Exactly.

Queen was using Haki and O Lin wasn’t. Yet he was still no match whatsoever.

He was trashed around, but he didn't lose.

 

[LadyVados]

He lost. Badly. And was clearly much weaker.

He did later beat her with a surprise attack but that was later.

The fact that he used such a tactic clearly show he was no match whatsoever.

 

[Gallon]

I don't see the point of all of this - they're strong in different ways. Queen relies on his weight, while Luffy and Big Mom on their striking power.
Kaido is much stronger as a dragon than as a human, yet he fares far better in battle in his humanoid form due to his much higher range of movement.

 

[LadyVados]

I don't see the point of all of this - they're strong in different ways. Queen relies on his weight, while Luffy and Big Mom on their striking power.
Kaido is much stronger as a dragon than as a human, yet he fares far better in battle in his humanoid form due to his much higher range of movement.

The point is proving OP characters are stupidly strong even without Haki and DFs. Way more than thousands of times as strong as Humans.

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Well that settles it

 

[Nie Li]

The point is proving OP characters are stupidly strong even without Haki and DFs. Way more than thousands of times as strong as Humans.

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Well that settles it

So would Luffy cause any destruction by jumping normally 30 cm into the air?


You may be or not be right but I believe Gallon and I feel the same on this particular point: Does it change anything if Shanks is two thousand times as strong as I or if he's a million times as strong? His feats remain the same, since One Piece is entirely inaccurate either way in that kind of thing, as most mangas.

 

[Gallon]

The point is proving OP characters are stupidly strong even without Haki and DFs. Way more than thousands of times as strong as Humans.

Moegara's already shown that base Lucci was at about 400 trained soldiers' amount of strength. Using him as a reference, strong One Piece characters are definitely in the thousands. There is a huge difference between 1000 and 100,000.
Millions is extremely unlikely, while billions is out of the question.

Regardless, inaccuracy applies to all manga, as Moe said.

 

[LadyVados]

I think the whole conversation started with when we were talking about how big the difference between Kata and Kaido was.

Anyway the point is that if Kaido is a top tier, Kata isn’t.

 

[HereNThere]

One Piece is a series that you can't really apply a numerical measurement when it comes to feats, and even then, you have to take their standing in the world into account because, as @Moegara said, it can be inconsistent.

I mean, Chinjao has feats that allow him to split a continent sized piece of ice apart, which is pretty similar to Mihawk's feat during Marineford, but the former is rarely brought up in these discussions because, well, he is never mentioned as someone who's top tier in universe.

Katakuri is top tier. The series made it pretty apparent that, once you pass the billion threshold, you at the top of the heap. He may not be Yonkou level, but he's top tier.

 

[LadyVados]

One Piece is a series that you can't really apply a numerical measurement when it comes to feats, and even then, you have to take their standing in the world into account because, as @Moegara said, it can be inconsistent.

I mean, Chinjao has feats that allow him to split a continent sized piece of ice apart, which is pretty similar to Mihawk's feat during Marineford, but the former is rarely brought up in these discussions because, well, he is never mentioned as someone who's top tier in universe.

Katakuri is top tier. The series made it pretty apparent that, once you pass the billion threshold, you at the top of the heap. He may not be Yonkou level, but he's top tier.

Well then Yonko and admirals should be considered god tier.

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Chinjao tangoed with Prime Garp, he was no weakling.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I think the whole conversation started with when we were talking about how big the difference between Kata and Kaido was.

Anyway the point is that if Kaido is a top tier, Kata isn’t.

Somebody HAS to be the weakest of the TOP TIERS and it varies by each person.

I happen to think Luffy is the weakest of the top tiers who I rank over Katakuri... but you might think Luffy isn't even a top tier.

So the line being drawn varies from person to person

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Well then Yonko and admirals should be considered god tier.

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Chinjao tangoed with Prime Garp, he was no weakling.

Tangoed or was one-shotted? You should consider reading One Piece again.

 

[LadyVados]

Tangoed or was one-shotted? You should consider reading One Piece again.

I consider that fight to be Low diff, maybe even lower end of mid diff.

Kaido would only be a high diff fight for Prime Garp in my opinion.

And Kata would be a neg diff fight for Kaido.

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Somebody HAS to be the weakest of the TOP TIERS and it varies by each person.

I happen to think Luffy is the weakest of the top tiers who I rank over Katakuri... but you might think Luffy isn't even a top tier.

So the line being drawn varies from person to person

So I’m not the only person who think Kata shouldn’t be a top tier.

In my opinion, to be a top tier you have to be able to fight even Prime Whitebeard and last for at least a little bit. Maybe even do a little bit of damage, not get instantly wrecked. You need to be able to delay him.