One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[Fox666]

I honestly see Hybrid Kaido as a smaller form, because the size becomes an issue for the battle design process. The latest chapters must have been super tough to draw, the immense thing that is Kaido that has to make realistic serpentine movements and stuff. He will likely get rid of the full Dragon soon. But a gigantic version is also still difficult and there should also be an awakening considering this is a Yonko and this has to be gigantic.

I think the hybrid will be around normal Kaido size so it's only like 5 meters difference between him and G4 Luffy and they fit together in a doublespread while clashing.

And I am somehow a bit entertained by the possibility that one of the forms, Hybrid or Awakening could bear resemblance to Pollunga since the full form is already Shenron...

Usually the hybrid form is the largest one.

The author likes to use size to represent power, so I expect the last form to be the biggest one too.

 

[McNuss]

Usually the hybrid form is the largest one.

The author likes to use size to represent power, so I expect the last form to be the biggest one too.

But there's also Chopper who is small. Kaku doesn't change much and neither did Dalton if I recall correctly. I think it depends a lot on the animal incorporated and in case of naturally large animals the size difference between hybrid and full seems small.

 

[HereNThere]

Kaidou's already a big boi, so I'm thinking he'll be one of the Zoans that don't really change size.

 

[Fox666]

But there's also Chopper who is small. Kaku doesn't change much and neither did Dalton if I recall correctly. I think it depends a lot on the animal incorporated and in case of naturally large animals the size difference between hybrid and full seems small.

Yes, but Chopper's hybrid form doesn't seem fit to hand-to-hand combat...

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 28, 2020, Original Post Date: Oct 28, 2020 ---

I just realized Kaido's hybrid form may have already been revealed:

Spoiler

Now the real thing:

Spoiler

 

[M3J]

The author likes to use size to represent power, so I expect the last form to be the biggest one too.

True, I'm actually surprised he's made that a consistent thing when we have a normal-sized human become the Pirate King whereas the larger figures have failed to do that, and the main character is probably among the smallest.

 

[albertwv]

True, I'm actually surprised he's made that a consistent thing when we have a normal-sized human become the Pirate King whereas the larger figures have failed to do that, and the main character is probably among the smallest.

I dont see why Oda made characters that big. It doesnt make sense, especially when they have such tiny feet (Jack, Queen, Kaido). I remember thinking WB was huge and Aokiji but then we had characters like Moria, Kuma, and etc. I think Oda shouldve stopped at WB's height. Big Mom is just tooo huge.

 

[LadyVados]

True, I'm actually surprised he's made that a consistent thing when we have a normal-sized human become the Pirate King whereas the larger figures have failed to do that, and the main character is probably among the smallest.

Roger was 9 feet tall lol. Same height as Kiku and taller than any real life human ever.

The only normal sized Top tiers are Mihawk, Shanks, Rayleigh and Tsuru and maybe Beckmann.

I guess Marco too if you consider him a top tier, which for me will depend on how well he does against BM. If he gets one shotted like Luffy vs Kaido then no, if he holds his own then yeah sure.

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I think Chopper’s monster point is an example of what an awakened hybrid form looks like.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 29, 2020 ---

My interpretation of Yonko level vs Admiral level is that Yonko are naturally strong while admirals are only strong because of their broken DFs. But an admiral could beat a Yonko. Kizaru kinda had the upper hand against WB by exploiting his broken DF.

 

[M3J]

Really? He didn't seem that tall, and especially compared to most of his contemporaries.

 

[LadyVados]

Really? He didn't seem that tall, and especially compared to most of his contemporaries.

He was around the same height as Garp and Sengoku who completely dwarf the 6’1” Ace.

 

[Fox666]

My interpretation of Yonko level vs Admiral level is that Yonko are naturally strong while admirals are only strong because of their broken DFs. But an admiral could beat a Yonko. Kizaru kinda had the upper hand against WB by exploiting his broken DF.

The Admirals are strong without their Devil Fruits. I.e. Kizaru prevented Whitebeard from using his bisento with his leg.

 

[HereNThere]

It should also be noted one of the Magazines noted that Akainu and Aokiji had monsterous strength when they were just recruits. And in Aokiji's case, he was trained by Garp on top of that.

 

[albertwv]

I wonder why Oda decided to draw everybody except the main crew extremely tall. Shanks and Mihawk are tall humans but short in the OP verse. Weird.
An admiral can not beat a Yonko 1v1. Idk where people get that from.
WB vs Akainu, the admiral was able to land a fatal blow on WB ONLY because WB was sick. WB then crushed Akainu, causing him to fall out temporarily.
Shanks vs Akainu: Shanks was able to stop Akainu's magma punch and challenged all of MF (admirals, and BB Pirates) to a fight and nobody dared challenged him.
Even Rayleigh is as strong or a bit stronger than an admiral with high diff.

 

[LadyVados]

Spoiler: For 994

Kiku is YC1 tier, change my mind.

 

[M3J]

An emperor cannot beat an admiral either, as Akainu was not down for the count despite taking blows after blows. Whitebeard vs. the admirals did not really end in either side being out for the duration of the war.

 

[LadyVados]

But there is one man who can decisively beat an emperor (Shanks) and an admiral (Fuji)...

 

[Pirate Queen]

But there is one man who can decisively beat an emperor (Shanks) and an admiral (Fuji)...

No... no there isn't

 

[Nie Li]

But there is one man who can decisively beat an emperor (Shanks) and an admiral (Fuji)...

You know that I'm one of the persons who hypes "that man" the most, but let's avoid bringing that topic up. We have discussed enough about him for a lifetime.

 

[albertwv]

A Yonko can def take down an admiral. They are not equal in strength.
Look at how scared Marine HQ or the WG were of waging war against WB.
They had to call the Warlords to come help out vs WB Pirates.

Also Kiku ? YC1? Nope.

 

[Nie Li]

A Yonko can def take down an admiral. They are not equal in strength.
Look at how scared Marine HQ or the WG were of waging war against WB.
They had to call the Warlords to come help out vs WB Pirates.

Also Kiku ? YC1? Nope.

In my opinion, the marines didn't call on the Warlords "because otherwise they stood no chance", but because "even if we can possibly win as we are, why would we leave some of our strongest forces out of this if we can win with less casualties?".

If they didn't want to face WB, they could have just executed Ace without making the date public knowledge.

The WB pirates had allied pirate crews, too, not just their own crew, and they took heavier important loses than the marines. WB died, Ace died, Jozu lost an arm. No viceadmiral or admiral or Shichibukai died nor received any major injuries. Akainu took a good beating, yes, but nothing else. He still had enough strength left in him to chase after Luffy and no YC around seemed to be able to stop him despite how wounded he was.

 

[Fox666]

A Yonko can def take down an admiral. They are not equal in strength.
Look at how scared Marine HQ or the WG were of waging war against WB.
They had to call the Warlords to come help out vs WB Pirates.

The Marines were not scared of Whitebeard, otherwise they could have executed Ace in silence. Everything was a provocation.

However, in terms of strategy, Whitebeard is someone to worry about, especially when he can easily destroy an island.

Regarding a fight between Emperors and Admirals, we have seen it in practice in the Marineford saga. Besides it was implied several times they are more or less equals:
- It was said a few times that it was necessary to defeat the Emperors and Admirals to become the Pirate King;
- Caramel said Linlin could become an Admiral or Fleet Admiral;
- According to the author, if Akainu was a pirate, he would find One Piece within a year;