One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[LadyVados]

Honestly I’m sorta convinced Sanji won’t fight a calamity and instead we’ll see Zoro and Marco vs Queen and King.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Honestly I’m sorta convinced Sanji won’t fight a calamity and instead we’ll see Zoro and Marco vs Queen and King.

so what of big mum ?

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

so what of big mum ?

Don't know about what Whis said but Big Mom purpose in this war is to betray Kaido and so Help Luffy take him down.
That's the only way I can see someone like him be defeated. Only a Big Mom's betrayal can allow Luffy to win this.
Obviously, she knows something about Kaido that not everyone know and I think that will be the key to his demise.

Unless Luffy developed a new Gear with his Ryou that will be stronger than Kaido which I doubt

 

[Fox666]

Don't know about what Whis said but Big Mom purpose in this war is to betray Kaido and so Help Luffy take him down.
That's the only way I can see someone like him be defeated. Only a Big Mom's betrayal can allow Luffy to win this.
Obviously, she knows something about Kaido that not everyone know and I think that will be the key to his demise.

Unless Luffy developed a new Gear with his Ryou that will be stronger than Kaido which I doubt

Big Mom's future betrayal has been foreshadowed by Kaido speech about pirates betraying others.

However, Luffy will get a lot of help to fight Kaido. If he lands his strongest Gear 4 attacks on Kaido with Ryou, I'm sure he will do a lot of damage.

 

[XXGenesis]

Honestly I’m sorta convinced Sanji won’t fight a calamity and instead we’ll see Zoro and Marco vs Queen and King.

I’m convinced Sanji will. & Zoro possibly won’t.

Either way on Onigashima. I believe our fav characters Luffy, Zoro & Sanji will be assisted during their fights.

Sanji imo is fighting a calamity, but not entirely solo. Which I’m not mad at Luffy has never fought a commander lv pirate w/o assistance or help from external forces. *Doffy,Cracker, Katakuri...had help every time.*

Sanji & Marco imo will take in King & Queen. Law & Kidd imo will take on BM. While Zoro & Luffy fight Kiado

 

[albertwv]

A change of topic.... most of you just care about the strength of YCs, Mihawk, the Yonko and Admirals, Zolo and Sanji and Luffy.
But what about the other non important characters such as the SH fleet, CP9 (Pre TS) Hody jones, Pekoms, etc.

How strong are Pre TS CP9? Do you think they would be able to fight NW pirates? How strong was Lucci in Enies Lobby compared to Hody, VAs, Diamante, Sr. Pink, lower BM Pirates and lower Beasts Pirates like Holdem etc.

 

[Ramen]

A change of topic.... most of you just care about the strength of YCs, Mihawk, the Yonko and Admirals, Zolo and Sanji and Luffy.
But what about the other non important characters such as the SH fleet, CP9 (Pre TS) Hody jones, Pekoms, etc.

How strong are Pre TS CP9? Do you think they would be able to fight NW pirates? How strong was Lucci in Enies Lobby compared to Hody, VAs, Diamante, Sr. Pink, lower BM Pirates and lower Beasts Pirates like Holdem etc.

A guy like Pre-TS Lucci wouldn't stand a chance against someone like Doffy, Jinbe, or Katakuri.

He'd be able to fight but no beat Hody I think. Haki plays the biggest role.

 

[nik87]

Are you sure he isn't @nik87? Same sword boi tendencies.

No, Whis is not my alt.

 

[Ramen]

No, Whis is not my alt.

HOLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YOUR BACK.

I've enjoyed your debates on WG lol.

 

[nik87]

HOLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YOUR BACK.

I've enjoyed your debates on WG lol.

Just responding to a friend's message.
Glad you liked it.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Hmmmm did anyone add that from one piece novel A volume 2 , that puts kaido and WB as equals , Whitebeard being described as the number 1 I piracy by shanks , but shanks is the strongest 1 on 1 fighter

Just saw this

 

[Pirate Queen]

Hmmmm did anyone add that from one piece novel A volume 2 , that puts kaido and WB as equals , Whitebeard being described as the number 1 I piracy by shanks , but shanks is the strongest 1 on 1 fighter

Just saw this

Link? That can't be accurate lol

 

[albertwv]

A guy like Pre-TS Lucci wouldn't stand a chance against someone like Doffy, Jinbe, or Katakuri.

He'd be able to fight but no beat Hody I think. Haki plays the biggest role.

I know Pre TS Lucci wouldnt be able to fight Doffy or any YC level but I am asking about the lower level characters. I think Lucci could defeat Hody Jones even if Hody has Energy Steroids. Honestly Hody Jones and his gang was waaaay too weak. The New Fishman Pirates may have given Pre TS SH crew some trouble if they had gone straight to Fishman Island before the Marineford War Arc happened.

What I was always curious about was how in Enies Lobby there were 5 VAs all veterans and stronger than all of CP9 but somehow they trusted Lucci to kill the SHs, why didnt the VAs after witnessing Lucci lose, go after the SHs themselves. They couldve just jumped onto the ship and defeated the SHs by themselves, even just one VA wouldve been enough.

 

[Luke Beifong]

I know Pre TS Lucci wouldnt be able to fight Doffy or any YC level but I am asking about the lower level characters. I think Lucci could defeat Hody Jones even if Hody has Energy Steroids. Honestly Hody Jones and his gang was waaaay too weak. The New Fishman Pirates may have given Pre TS SH crew some trouble if they had gone straight to Fishman Island before the Marineford War Arc happened.

What I was always curious about was how in Enies Lobby there were 5 VAs all veterans and stronger than all of CP9 but somehow they trusted Lucci to kill the SHs, why didnt the VAs after witnessing Lucci lose, go after the SHs themselves. They couldve just jumped onto the ship and defeated the SHs by themselves, even just one VA wouldve been enough.

I agree with you, Hody and the New Fishman Pirates are pretty weak and the CP9 can defeat them, with difficulties, but they are strong enough to win.

About the VA, in my opinion it’s just for plot they don’t attack in that moment, because they all are more than capable of finishing the SH.

The old enemies that are NW level in my opinion are Crocodile, Enel and Lucci.

Crocodile are said to have the same potential as Luffy but after he lost to WB he goes back to Paradise and start searching for the ancient weapons. So he become lazy for never more fight someone of his caliber and stops using his Haki in fights.

Enel is a monster. His mantra is easily a strong as Katakuri CoO. He just preferred to use it in a wide area than focus in one thing at the time. The only problem with Enel is that he don’t have knowledge of the world, if he have it, he certainly is a monster.

Lucci is a beast. I read here in MH and heard in a video that the Rokushiki is a Martial Art build around Haki. If it’s true or not, I don’t know, but if it is, Lucci is a master in both types of Haki. If it’s just a Martial Art, combining the two things can make Lucci super strong. Maybe not Doffly level, but close to it.

 

[M3J]

lets accept zoro have hard time to beat a YC even with enma.

No reason why we should accept he wouldn't have it easier. Did he fight a commander seriously in which he was challenged? Dunno about Cracker, but Katakuri would definitely challenge him, if not probably beat him. King and Queen are up in the air as to whether they'd beat Zoro or lose to him easily, but regardless, as commanders it should be a hard fight, at the very least, for Zoro. At the same time, it could be easy for Zoro as well.

Claiming that Zoro shouldn't beat a commander because Luffy struggled is a dumb argument. No reason to believe Zoro can't be stronger than Luffy or not be as strong as Luffy but unable to beat a commander. No written rule that Zoro or a crew member can't be stronger than the captain.

 

[HereNThere]

Link? That can't be accurate lol

Dropped $6 for this thread. My life is going off the rails...

Spoiler

 

[pepemooo]

No reason why we should accept he wouldn't have it easier. Did he fight a commander seriously in which he was challenged? Dunno about Cracker, but Katakuri would definitely challenge him, if not probably beat him. King and Queen are up in the air as to whether they'd beat Zoro or lose to him easily, but regardless, as commanders it should be a hard fight, at the very least, for Zoro. At the same time, it could be easy for Zoro as well.

Claiming that Zoro shouldn't beat a commander because Luffy struggled is a dumb argument. No reason to believe Zoro can't be stronger than Luffy or not be as strong as Luffy but unable to beat a commander. No written rule that Zoro or a crew member can't be stronger than the captain.

your claiming is no basis either oda know for sure maybe zoro and marco vs queen or zoro and marco vs king is easy 2v1 but 1v1 zoro is out of the league the truth of his strenght base on paper not in actual battle against YC his only beaten opponent is weakling then luffy with yamato jinbei far stronger than zoro.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 9, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 9, 2020 ---

1 luffy - 100
2 jinbei - 100
if yamato join straw hat
3 yamato -100
4 zoro - 90
5 sanji - 90
jinbei looks like the right man of future pirate than zoro he is better in all aspect
why he have so many experience also luffy have experience by fighting yc and defeated by yonko are make him develop his skill that far from zoro.

 

[XXGenesis]

I know Pre TS Lucci wouldnt be able to fight Doffy or any YC level but I am asking about the lower level characters. I think Lucci could defeat Hody Jones even if Hody has Energy Steroids. Honestly Hody Jones and his gang was waaaay too weak. The New Fishman Pirates may have given Pre TS SH crew some trouble if they had gone straight to Fishman Island before the Marineford War Arc happened.

What I was always curious about was how in Enies Lobby there were 5 VAs all veterans and stronger than all of CP9 but somehow they trusted Lucci to kill the SHs, why didnt the VAs after witnessing Lucci lose, go after the SHs themselves. They couldve just jumped onto the ship and defeated the SHs by themselves, even just one VA wouldve been enough.

Non Steroid Hody vs Lucci probably Hody.
Steroid Hody was taking Haki blows, which were messing him up. But those blows were def stronger than Luffy’s old punches w/o.

Luffy also gained new strength. So by that comparison, and scailing. Hody is slightly stronger than Lucci presumably. But with steroid definitely

 

[pepemooo]

i didn't expect if zoro fans claiming that both kaido and blackbeard can beat by zoro that impossible to happen what i saying he is out of league of stronger characters just like the yonko YC, Maybe yamato and jinbei you know zoro strenght is base assumption and on paper only but in actual battle he is no match to them there no easy fight for zoro weather its is a weak character fodder.

 

[Shasha23]

Dropped $6 for this thread. My life is going off the rails...

Spoiler

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