One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[HereNThere]

OK you have piqued my interest, where can i find this

I got mine on Amazon.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 9, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 9, 2020 ---

Finished the book. Was a quick read.

I'll drop a summary of the bits I found interesting that may not have been mentioned. We already have summaries and translations, but another set of eyes can't hurt.

• Despite those "controversial" pages, the book refers to Whitebeard as the strongest man and/or pirate several times throughout.
• Whitebeard had been sick way before Ace even joined. He had just been stable through the efforts of Marco, Thatch, and various other doctors on the crew. But he had already gotten to a point where even his sense of taste had deteriorated.
• Ace managed to get a couple hits in on Whitebeard the last two times they fought. He only burned his hand, but Whitebeard was impressed.
• Jinbei, for the longest time, had been the only one to attend the summons from the marines.
• Their fight ended in a tie, as we know, but Jinbei was still pointed out as being on another level compared to a rookie like Ace. He was the first one to show Ace that he wasn't untouchable.
• He also had been tracking Ace since Fishman Island.
• Ace's bounty increased because he rejected the Shichibukai offer. They really wanted him on their side.
• Blackbeard was treated as an unofficial Commander of the crew and held the same respect and benefits.
• BB is extremely violent goes way overboard in fights. He also pretended to be in more pain than he actually was, exaggerating the pain gunshot wound when shot, going straight to laughing about it, destroying the dude who shot him, and only reacting again when somebody pointed it out.
• Ace's cat pet/crewmember did not trust Blackbeard and his very presence put the animal on edge.
• Despite her being from the same generation as WB, Big Mom isn't thought of as a traditional pirate any more since she mostly stays in her kingdom. She was referred to as a "Landlubber".
• Her lifestyle is what others think of when they imagine a Yonkou.
• Shanks' Commanders all demonstrated CoO when Ace arrived on the island.
• Shanks is the only Emporer who broke through the Gate Keeping of the Yonkou and Marines to claim his title.
• It's implied Shanks' smiles are mostly fake and Beckman is the only one who can tell when he's being genuine.

 

[Ramen]

I got mine on Amazon.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 9, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 9, 2020 ---

Finished the book. Was a quick read.

I'll drop a summary of the bits I found interesting that may not have been mentioned. We already have summaries and translations, but another set of eyes can't hurt.

• Despite those "controversial" pages, the book refers to Whitebeard as the strongest man and/or pirate several times throughout.
• Whitebeard had been sick way before Ace even joined. He had just been stable through the efforts of Marco, Thatch, and various other doctors on the crew. But he had already gotten to a point where even his sense of taste had deteriorated.
• Ace managed to get a couple hits in on Whitebeard the last two times they fought. He only burned his hand, but Whitebeard was impressed.
• Jinbei, for the longest time, had been the only one to attend the summons from the marines.
• Their fight ended in a tie, as we know, but Jinbei was still pointed out as being on another level compared to a rookie like Ace. He was the first one to show Ace that he wasn't untouchable.
• He also had been tracking Ace since Fishman Island.
• Ace's bounty increased because he rejected the Shichibukai offer. They really wanted him on their side.
• Blackbeard was treated as an unofficial Commander of the crew and held the same respect and benefits.
• BB is extremely violent goes way overboard in fights. He also pretended to be in more pain than he actually was, exaggerating the pain gunshot wound when shot, going straight to laughing about it, destroying the dude who shot him, and only reacting again when somebody pointed it out.
• Ace's cat pet/crewmember did not trust Blackbeard and his very presence put the animal on edge.
• Despite her being from the same generation as WB, Big Mom isn't thought of as a traditional pirate any more since she mostly stays in her kingdom. She was referred to as a "Landlubber".
• Her lifestyle is what others think of when they imagine a Yonkou.
• Shanks' Commanders all demonstrated CoO when Ace arrived on the island.
• Shanks is the only Emporer who broke through the Gate Keeping of the Yonkou and Marines to claim his title.
• It's implied Shanks' smiles are mostly fake and Beckman is the only one who can tell when he's being genuine.

Is this the Ace novel?

 

[HereNThere]

Is this the Ace novel?

Volume 2, yeah.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Shanks is the only Emporer who broke through the Gate Keeping of the Yonkou and Marines to claim his title

What do you mean by that ? Gate Keeping ?

 

[HereNThere]

What do you mean by that ? Gate Keeping ?

The Yonkou basically have the New World on lockdown, way more than the manga has shown. It's nearly impossible for most rookies to do anything, much less make a name for themselves, without stepping on their toes and incurring their wrath. Especially if you make a ton of noise in their seas.

When Luffy and Law made their alliance in Punk Hazard, Law said the only way to survive the New World was to join a Yonkou or become one. The book explored the former idea. It put a lot of emphasis on the fact that there is an etiquette that everyone must follow in the New World in order to get by or you'll be destroyed and sent packing.

It didn't go much into detail about how exactly he did it, but going by what was said, it was implied that Shanks, despite being recognized as dangerous, basically didn't stir up trouble in their seas and quietly built his empire through building respect and being reasonable.

If Shanks had tried to pull what Ace did, gun straight for Whitebeard, they straight up would've killed him. Thatch flat out said that Ace survived because he was weak enough to not be deemed a threat and Whitebeard liked that he tried to protect his crew.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

No, Whis is not my alt.

Been a while mate. You're back! Hope to have the old you back as well

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 9, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 9, 2020 ---

Just responding to a friend's message.
Glad you liked it.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Shanks really is a mystrious character.
With these new informations I'm wondering how did he become so strong like that.
Unlike Luffy, he didn't spend his days fighting stronger Pirates to improve.
He wasn't trained by a powerhouse like Luffy did.
He wasn't born a monster like Big Mom.
Not a creature like Kaido.
And yet his on pair with them and maybe stronger

 

[M3J]

your claiming is no basis either oda know for sure maybe zoro and marco vs queen or zoro and marco vs king is easy 2v1 but 1v1 zoro is out of the league the truth of his strenght base on paper not in actual battle against YC his only beaten opponent is weakling then luffy with yamato jinbei far stronger than zoro.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 9, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 9, 2020 ---

1 luffy - 100
2 jinbei - 100
if yamato join straw hat
3 yamato -100
4 zoro - 90
5 sanji - 90
jinbei looks like the right man of future pirate than zoro he is better in all aspect
why he have so many experience also luffy have experience by fighting yc and defeated by yonko are make him develop his skill that far from zoro.

This makes no sense though. Plus I'm not saying Zoro is strong enough to beat King or Queen, just that we have no idea what his power is, especially when we haven't seen him go all out. There's no reason to believe he couldn't take on either commander alone.

And what's with that ridiculous list?

The Yonkou basically have the New World on lockdown, way more than the manga has shown. It's nearly impossible for most rookies to do anything, much less make a name for themselves, without stepping on their toes and incurring their wrath. Especially if you make a ton of noise in their seas.

When Luffy and Law made their alliance in Punk Hazard, Law said the only way to survive the New World was to join a Yonkou or become one. The book explored the former idea. It put a lot of emphasis on the fact that there is an etiquette that everyone must follow in the New World in order to get by or you'll be destroyed and sent packing.

It didn't go much into detail about how exactly he did it, but going by what was said, it was implied that Shanks, despite being recognized as dangerous, basically didn't stir up trouble in their seas and quietly built his empire through building respect and being reasonable.

If Shanks had tried to pull what Ace did, gun straight for Whitebeard, they straight up would've killed him. Thatch flat out said that Ace survived because he was weak enough to not be deemed a threat and Whitebeard liked that he tried to protect his crew.

sweet lord, it also looks like Luffy's really lucky that the Emperors weren't on his ass yet and that Big Mom didn't go out of her territory anymore, he'd have been killed otherwise. Or actually, when Big Mom needed Sanji as well, and Kaidou respected Luffy's tenacity enough to prefer having him in his army over killing him.

Would have loved to see the violence and chaos though.

 

[Duffykun]

This makes no sense though. Plus I'm not saying Zoro is strong enough to beat King or Queen, just that we have no idea what his power is, especially when we haven't seen him go all out. There's no reason to believe he couldn't take on either commander alone.

And what's with that ridiculous list?


sweet lord, it also looks like Luffy's really lucky that the Emperors weren't on his ass yet and that Big Mom didn't go out of her territory anymore, he'd have been killed otherwise. Or actually, when Big Mom needed Sanji as well, and Kaidou respected Luffy's tenacity enough to prefer having him in his army over killing him.

Would have loved to see the violence and chaos though.

You know zoro can't handle YC on his own why you push it as always he didn't prove anything nothing support your claiming in luffy's crew only jinbei can fight YC then zoro and sanji they need more power up to beat them. That's his list of rank by strength he make zoro and sanji same they both do not prove anything it's still doubt if they can beat a YC

 

[albertwv]

Can we talk about something else besides Luffy Zolo Sanji and YC levels???
The manga will tell us soon where they rank, can we wait until then?

I was trying to discuss other characters Power level just so we can have a change of subject.

 

[Luke Beifong]

Can we talk about something else besides Luffy Zolo Sanji and YC levels???
The manga will tell us soon where they rank, can we wait until then?

I was trying to discuss other characters Power level just so we can have a change of subject.

Totally agree!

Which enemy’s Usopp and Nami can beat now days? I think they can beat Blueno (Pre time skip) easily, but still not strong enough to beat Kaku and Jabra. And just to put in a power level, for me Blueno is the strongest enemy in Paradise that is not a main villain (Crocodile, Enel, Moria, Lucci) or a right hand man (Mr. 1, Own, Absalom, Kaku and Jabra)

Speaking about CP9, Jabra is stronger than Kaku. Carnivores Zoans are more battle oriented than Herbivores Zoans. Kaku can be strong in base form but in hybrid form Jabra certainly is stronger.

Chopper have a wasted potential. His monster point have all its needs be put him as the strongest SH after the monster trio, but never got developed...

How strong can Robin become if she learn Rokushiki?

If BM dies and Nami eats her fruit, how strong she will become?

 

[LaGOAT]

By the end of this arc is gonna be
LUFFY
ZORO
JIMBEI
SANJI
FRANK
ROBIN
BROOK
CHOPPER
USOPP
NAMI

anyways I want to see the supernovas fight some1 formidable bro see where we can rank them alsoi strongly beleive that the SH FLEET will show up together with the old whiteboard crew to help in this war. The marines will also join in together with the CP0

 

[M3J]

You know zoro can't handle YC on his own why you push it as always he didn't prove anything nothing support your claiming in luffy's crew only jinbei can fight YC then zoro and sanji they need more power up to beat them. That's his list of rank by strength he make zoro and sanji same they both do not prove anything it's still doubt if they can beat a YC

This argument is boring. Unless manga states or proves otherwise, there's no reason to believe he can't handle a commander, or that he can. Show me proof or gtfo because as far as I know, only Katakuri is likely to beat Zoro due to Future Sight.

Sanji we can agree on would likely not be able to beat a commander if their strengths are similar to Katakuri or Cracker.

 

[Fox666]

This argument is boring. Unless manga states or proves otherwise, there's no reason to believe he can't handle a commander, or that he can. Show me proof or gtfo because as far as I know, only Katakuri is likely to beat Zoro due to Future Sight.

Sanji we can agree on would likely not be able to beat a commander if their strengths are similar to Katakuri or Cracker.

Zoro and Sanji cannot, and won't defeat the All-Stars in this arc.

1. Their record in this arc is not so great.

For example, Kyoshiro easily overpowered Zoro, and X Drake was unaffected by Sanji's kicks. If they were to defeat the All-Stars, it would be inconsistent.

Also wouldn't make any opponent that gave them trouble (Hawkins, Page One or Apoo) incredibly poweful?

2. Their progress against the Commanders will mirror Luffy's progress against the Emperors themselves

Luffy is not going to fight Kaido alone in this arc. However, everything indicated that the time will come, when he will have to fight Blackbeard 1-on-1.

When that happens, Zoro will fight Shiryu. If he defeated someone like King before, then Shiryu would not be a challenge.

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

If BM dies and Nami eats her fruit, how strong she will become?

Imagine her money dancing.

 

[XXGenesis]

I got mine on Amazon.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 9, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 9, 2020 ---

Finished the book. Was a quick read.

I'll drop a summary of the bits I found interesting that may not have been mentioned. We already have summaries and translations, but another set of eyes can't hurt.

• Despite those "controversial" pages, the book refers to Whitebeard as the strongest man and/or pirate several times throughout.
• Whitebeard had been sick way before Ace even joined. He had just been stable through the efforts of Marco, Thatch, and various other doctors on the crew. But he had already gotten to a point where even his sense of taste had deteriorated.
• Ace managed to get a couple hits in on Whitebeard the last two times they fought. He only burned his hand, but Whitebeard was impressed.
• Jinbei, for the longest time, had been the only one to attend the summons from the marines.
• Their fight ended in a tie, as we know, but Jinbei was still pointed out as being on another level compared to a rookie like Ace. He was the first one to show Ace that he wasn't untouchable.
• He also had been tracking Ace since Fishman Island.
• Ace's bounty increased because he rejected the Shichibukai offer. They really wanted him on their side.
• Blackbeard was treated as an unofficial Commander of the crew and held the same respect and benefits.
• BB is extremely violent goes way overboard in fights. He also pretended to be in more pain than he actually was, exaggerating the pain gunshot wound when shot, going straight to laughing about it, destroying the dude who shot him, and only reacting again when somebody pointed it out.
• Ace's cat pet/crewmember did not trust Blackbeard and his very presence put the animal on edge.
• Despite her being from the same generation as WB, Big Mom isn't thought of as a traditional pirate any more since she mostly stays in her kingdom. She was referred to as a "Landlubber".
• Her lifestyle is what others think of when they imagine a Yonkou.
• Shanks' Commanders all demonstrated CoO when Ace arrived on the island.
• Shanks is the only Emporer who broke through the Gate Keeping of the Yonkou and Marines to claim his title.
• It's implied Shanks' smiles are mostly fake and Beckman is the only one who can tell when he's being genuine.

Thanks a ton for sharing this summary.
Guess the Vil dropped recently because on YouTube there’s a video sharing more of the contents.

BenBackman when he 1st met Ace, didn’t see him as a Pirate. But more as a revolutionary/Gladiator. That just wanted to destroy all of the Worlds System.

Ace vs Jimbei..Was Ace 1st time getting hurt & Jimbei was on another lv as a NW Pirate but Ace was able to still tie with him.

I really wish Ace had more panel time in the manga especially kicking some butt. Love the character. He was perfectly flawed

 

[Ramen]

I got mine on Amazon.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 9, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 9, 2020 ---

Finished the book. Was a quick read.

I'll drop a summary of the bits I found interesting that may not have been mentioned. We already have summaries and translations, but another set of eyes can't hurt.

• Despite those "controversial" pages, the book refers to Whitebeard as the strongest man and/or pirate several times throughout.
• Whitebeard had been sick way before Ace even joined. He had just been stable through the efforts of Marco, Thatch, and various other doctors on the crew. But he had already gotten to a point where even his sense of taste had deteriorated.
• Ace managed to get a couple hits in on Whitebeard the last two times they fought. He only burned his hand, but Whitebeard was impressed.
• Jinbei, for the longest time, had been the only one to attend the summons from the marines.
• Their fight ended in a tie, as we know, but Jinbei was still pointed out as being on another level compared to a rookie like Ace. He was the first one to show Ace that he wasn't untouchable.
• He also had been tracking Ace since Fishman Island.
• Ace's bounty increased because he rejected the Shichibukai offer. They really wanted him on their side.
• Blackbeard was treated as an unofficial Commander of the crew and held the same respect and benefits.
• BB is extremely violent goes way overboard in fights. He also pretended to be in more pain than he actually was, exaggerating the pain gunshot wound when shot, going straight to laughing about it, destroying the dude who shot him, and only reacting again when somebody pointed it out.
• Ace's cat pet/crewmember did not trust Blackbeard and his very presence put the animal on edge.
• Despite her being from the same generation as WB, Big Mom isn't thought of as a traditional pirate any more since she mostly stays in her kingdom. She was referred to as a "Landlubber".
• Her lifestyle is what others think of when they imagine a Yonkou.
• Shanks' Commanders all demonstrated CoO when Ace arrived on the island.
• Shanks is the only Emporer who broke through the Gate Keeping of the Yonkou and Marines to claim his title.
• It's implied Shanks' smiles are mostly fake and Beckman is the only one who can tell when he's being genuine.

Do they confirm that Shanks is the weakest of the OG Yonko?

 

[HereNThere]

Do they confirm that Shanks is the weakest of the OG Yonko?

No. I don't even understand how that particular summary reached that conclusion. It just reiterates that he's the newest one.

 

[Ramen]

No. I don't even understand how that particular summary reached that conclusion. It just reiterates that he's the newest one.

I saw that being discussed on Reddit.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Do they confirm that Shanks is the weakest of the OG Yonko?

That was a poor translation from Worst Gen that started that. The original Japanese text said no such thing. Nor even implied it. It was Mihawk fanbois that started it and they kind of went with it in large numbers. The same members spread it here and to Reddit