One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Shinigami769]

Saying it's a cheat is like saying all characters except Zoro, Mihawk, Garp, Shanks and Roger are cheats because they use DFs

Which I actually agree with

nobody really knows that Roger didn't have one. Because it had never shown him fight once yet in a flashback. Zoro and Mihawk are just freaks of nature level strong so giving them a Df would just make them unbeatable. Shanks probably has a op level of haki and Garp was likely the strongest marine of his time. in a world were Df power is the normal its not really a cheat because most pirate captains and top officers or marines ranked officers all have one. And even the strong characters that don't are so freakish strong that their power might as well be a DF because it is just as good as most of the ones there are.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 17, 2021, Original Post Date: Mar 17, 2021 ---

King literally cut of his arm. That's a fact, without regeneration he would be a cripple, and unlikely to win this fight.

Marco didn't care though because he knew he could regenerate it. if he couldn't he would very likely have approached this fight differently. with a power like that it allows for different ways of fighting and keeping someone occupied. can king fight marco. of course he can. But its not like he is better then him. It's like how a logia user would be more careless against someone without haki. they know nothing done to them is going to actually hurt or kill them. and it allows for a less defensive form of combat. Having a arm cut when he knew it wasn't going to be lost isn't a slight on marco or a real win for king. Because it amounts to nothing. Marco's power gives him the ability to fight that way. if he couldn't regenerate it he would have dodged it and not taken the hit and wouldn't have tried to fight and tank damage from two yonko commanders at once. But his power gives him the ability to do that.

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

Saying it's a cheat is like saying all characters except Zoro, Mihawk, Garp, Shanks and Roger are cheats because they use DFs

Which I actually agree with

Zoro and Mihawk use legendary swords, so...

 

[Fox666]

Yeah, only martial arts that defies laws of physics, turning your body into a cyborg, magical plants and so on are fair play.

 

[McNuss]

Yeah, only martial arts that defies laws of physics, turning your body into a cyborg, magical plants and so on are fair play.

Nothing of that compares to a power that makes you effectively immortal. The way Marco fights is only possible with the Tori Tori no Mi: Phoenix. If someone else gets their arm cut off, it is gone for good, it won't simply regrow.

 

[kkck]

I would argue that within the context of One Piece most of the stuff we see is not magical in nature. The implication so far is that devil fruits cause mutation in the user's body, they are not straight up magic. Haki is probably the most "magical" thing around and only if you don't make a distinction between ki type things and magic..

 

[McNuss]

I would argue that within the context of One Piece most of the stuff we see is not magical in nature. The implication so far is that devil fruits cause mutation in the user's body, they are not straight up magic. Haki is probably the most "magical" thing around and only if you don't make a distinction between ki type things and magic..

There is no distinction between magical and natural in One Piece. The way Lineage Factor works is largely based on esoterics. Oda is a genius.

 

[kkck]

There is no distinction between magical and natural in One Piece. The way Lineage Factor works is largely based on esoterics. Oda is a genius.

Esotherics? It's pretty much just dna, there is nothing esotheric about that.

 

[XXGenesis]

The DF’s are the magic of the One Piece Verse.

 

[McNuss]

Esotherics? It's pretty much just dna, there is nothing esotheric about that.

The thing is I cannot reply to much here anymore...

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Luffy barely was able to defeat katakuri and doflamingo
Big mum and kaido were way stronger than them
Kaido one hit ko Luffy
Luffy was no where near ready to face kaido or big mum when fujitora made that statement
It's okay for the admiral to be wrong
Also at marineford akainu and kizaru dealt with Whitebeard , he wasn't stronger than them during that arc , especially kizaru

 

[albertwv]

I get the feeling not many people want to discuss power levels anymore.
Before this post gets deleted like my last one let me say

The anime paints Oden vs Scopper Gaban, (the fight on anime was so wack) but people may think that Oden = Gaban, we have no clue if that is true.

Many people claimed the Prime WB vs Oden > Old WB vs Akainu because Prime Beard quake punched Oden and Oden was still in good condition compared to when Old Beard quake punching Akainu and taking him down. The anime made it seem Oden > Akainu and I might agree on that but I do not consider the anime factual when they add extra scenes like this.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

I get the feeling not many people want to discuss power levels anymore.
Before this post gets deleted like my last one let me say

The anime paints Oden vs Scopper Gaban, (the fight on anime was so wack) but people may think that Oden = Gaban, we have no clue if that is true.

Many people claimed the Prime WB vs Oden > Old WB vs Akainu because Prime Beard quake punched Oden and Oden was still in good condition compared to when Old Beard quake punching Akainu and taking him down. The anime made it seem Oden > Akainu and I might agree on that but I do not consider the anime factual when they add extra scenes like this.

I like the anime for showing Rayleigh having no match in the Whitebeard crew, proving once again that he wasn't a normal YC but was almost equal to Roger (Same advanced haki). Whitehead would be he's only match.

I always believe Oden wasn't as strong as Whitebeard Roger and Rayleigh so him fighting Gaban made sense to me.

The anime made me remember how Oden was, just like Charlotte Linlin, a born monster and if he had lived he would be today as strong or stronger than Kaido and Big Mom but still not reach the level of Legendary Pirates like Roger, Whitebeard and Rayleigh

 

[albertwv]

I like the anime for showing Rayleigh having no match in the Whitebeard crew, proving once again that he wasn't a normal YC but was almost equal to Roger (Same advanced haki). Whitehead would be he's only match.

I always believe Oden wasn't as strong as Whitebeard Roger and Rayleigh so him fighting Gaban made sense to me.

The anime made me remember how Oden was, just like Charlotte Linlin, a born monster and if he had lived he would be today as strong or stronger than Kaido and Big Mom but still not reach the level of Legendary Pirates like Roger, Whitebeard and Rayleigh

I agree with you to a degree, i was only pointing out how the anime made the fights look so disappointing, I mean we know nbody but WB and maybe Oden could stand up to Rayleigh.
I saw Oden as his first mate so maybe as strong as Rayleigh and Gaban (who may be equally powerful in Roger's crew). Ray and Gaban could be the Zolo and Sanji with Ray being a little stronger.

I was hoping to see a bit more action especially WB vs Roger, but all we saw (heard) was them laughing and WBs horrendous new laugh. Aside from that, Oden couldve been Yonko level if he was alive today.

 

[GL_Nova]

Anyone kind of disappointed on how the battle has been going on, especially with the match ups?
Examples:
2 Yonko vs 5 SNs: this has made the yonko look weak
Marco vs King and Queen: those two enemies wouldve been better handled by the Zolo and Sanji like it always has been by fighting the 2nd and 3rd strongest enemies. Add on to that, that makes Marco look pretty strong (always thought he was) but also makes those 2 enemies look weak
Sanji vs Jack???: If they both were at full health I actually would not mind them fighting each other I think this would be a good match up and a step up from the Page 1 fight.
Hyogo vs Hotei: That was lame, I was actually expecting something from the leader of the Mumiwhatever, he seemed pretty capable like almost Denjiro/Kyoshiro level, but he was one shotted by Hyogo (who may be 3rd YC level) but still. Wanted to see a good fight out of him.
Yamato and Shinobu: theyre not fighting anyone but Im tired of seeing them, dont care what happens to them.
Jimbei vs Whos Who: Cant say much but was hoping for Jimbei to go after a YC not a Flying 6.

Honestly, I was hoping another Enies Lobby type of fight/match ups. And its a mixture of MF and EL.

No, I think your own preconceptions and inability to flow with where the story was obviously headed is hedging your enjoyment. The arc isn’t even over yet. We knew it would be a team battle against Kaido, but requiring the entire crew, or an alliance of that many would have made Luffy and the rest look completely unready when we know the story is ending. This is the throne war. The point of everything happening is to build the legend of the Pirate King. An Oda already let Luffy run riot through Big Mom territory with half his crew, and the regular assorted allies he assembles. This has to take both off the board. An if the top 5 fighters combined can’t at least entertain them, there was no point of devoting an entire act to training, when we have literally skipped over every other ability Luffy has learned. None of the other fights are final, and if people are still returning from the dead, we have time for everybody to get their moment. People thought Sanji was gunna be stuck with the he bug and it was just a big set up for Robin to have a moving and badass fight. Let the man work. Cause if they do split the Yonko. Who you want to go where? Who gets the credit? Luffy needs to take down both if he’s to be King. Only other option is Kidd takes down BM, and we get our Luffy vs Kidd before the end.

 

[albertwv]

No, I think your own preconceptions and inability to flow with where the story was obviously headed is hedging your enjoyment. The arc isn’t even over yet. We knew it would be a team battle against Kaido, but requiring the entire crew, or an alliance of that many would have made Luffy and the rest look completely unready when we know the story is ending. This is the throne war. The point of everything happening is to build the legend of the Pirate King. An Oda already let Luffy run riot through Big Mom territory with half his crew, and the regular assorted allies he assembles. This has to take both off the board. An if the top 5 fighters combined can’t at least entertain them, there was no point of devoting an entire act to training, when we have literally skipped over every other ability Luffy has learned. None of the other fights are final, and if people are still returning from the dead, we have time for everybody to get their moment. People thought Sanji was gunna be stuck with the he bug and it was just a big set up for Robin to have a moving and badass fight. Let the man work. Cause if they do split the Yonko. Who you want to go where? Who gets the credit? Luffy needs to take down both if he’s to be King. Only other option is Kidd takes down BM, and we get our Luffy vs Kidd before the end.

This is NOT the throne war. After Wano there will be a bigger war than Wano and Marineford. I never once believed Luffy was going to solo Kaido, I always thougt it was going to be a joint Supernova effort which seems like it will be, just like how Bullet was taken down collectively. I do wonder what will happen with Big Mom. My guess is once she sees Kaido is losing, she will backstab him thus helping out Luffy and flee Wano. I dont see how they can ake down both Yonko. Oda has portrayed them to be invincible but with how the current fight is going it is disappointing.

Kaido was able to solo 9RS who are YC3 level but Kaido seems to have a bit of trouble with BM fighting 5 SN who are a mix of YC3-YC1 level. These are 2 Yonkos. I dont think Oda shouldve included BM in the mix, but I think because he is wrapping up the story he had to include her.

I do hope Oda doesnt get rushed like Kishimoto (Bleach) did in the end, it was disappointing, especially the matchups and the final fight (Bleach).

No one thought Sanji was going to fight Black Maria, that was a given. Oda has a consistency of rewriting the same stories over, Dressrosa = Alabasta, Fishman Island= Arlong Park, Whole Cake = Impel down (kinda...), Zou = Little Garden (kinda...), Wano = Enies Lobby (Zoans). All the Straw Hats havent had a good match up fight against strong opponents since Enies Lobby, FI does not count since the Fishmen were barely a challenge, Thriller Bark only Zolo and Sanji got somewhat of a strong match up.

 

[Gallon]

Kaido was able to solo 9RS who are YC3 level but Kaido seems to have a bit of trouble with BM fighting 5 SN who are a mix of YC3-YC1 level. These are 2 Yonkos. I dont think Oda shouldve included BM in the mix, but I think because he is wrapping up the story he had to include her.

Honestly, they're just overconfident. Kaido's fighting style of testing his enemies first is terrible, but he's just so strong that he can afford it (although the same mentality almost cost him his life against Oden).
He's been nigh unconditionally letting Luffy pummel him simply because he likes feeling somewhat threatened.

If the two emperors were serious from the get-go, judging by how hard they hit (Law is also a crucial factor here, since he can move himself and others), they should've ended this already. They just like to mess around a lot - Big Mom even said Kaido likes to play with his food.
He didn't continue doing the same against the Scabbards because he realized they stood no chance.

 

[mangaempire29]

Here's my Top 40 Strongest One Piece Characters Ranked, I'd like your thoughts:

1. Rocks D. Xebec
2. Gold D. Roger
3. Prime Whitebeard
4. Prime Monkey D. Garp
5. Prime Shiki
6. Prime Sengoku
7. Hybrid Kaido
8. Shanks / Mihawk
9. Prime Rayleigh
10. Big Mom
11. Kozuki Oden
12. Sakazuki
13. Blackbeard
14. Kuzan
15. Boraslino
16. Issho / Rougyoku
17. Monkey D. Luffy
18. Sabo
19. Marco
20. Law
21. Kid
22. Charlotte Katakuri
23. King
24. Post-TS Shiryu
25. Lucky Roo
26. Yasopp
27. Edward Weevil
28. Enma Zoro
29. Queen
30. Kyoshiro
31. Ashura Doji
32. Jack
33. Charlotte Smoothie
34. Charlotte Cracker
35. Donquixote Doflamingo
36. Jozu
37. Vista
38. Pre-TS Magellan
39. Boa Hancock
40. Yamato

 

[Rob Gucci]

Zoro the strongest lol

 

[King Moe]

Can I discuss something on Mihawk? Never got chance to ask, but given recent chapters, I am wondering about his status on power scaling especially since 1000 chapter.

 

[Nie Li]

Can I discuss something on Mihawk? Never got chance to ask, but given recent chapters, I am wondering about his status on power scaling especially since 1000 chapter.

There's nothing remotely related to Mihawk on recent chapters.