One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[King Moe]

I would argue the issue here is that there just are some devil fruit abilities that work more like forces of nature than mere human techniques. That's why some of them are so absurdly broken. A LOT of people were pushing against the birdcage and while not all where admiral level all of them were skilled enough to be relevant at some new world tier, even if merely as a combatant. Even kinemon, who was probably capable of cutting kaido even back then, couldn't do it. And fujitora of course is insanely powerful within the grand scheme of things... Probably the most powerful person in dressrosa, with only sabo probably being actually in his tier.

Fujitora is clear holding back his power as he didn't even try using his DF and after the fight, he easily lift all rumble in the air, so I wouldn't use him as he couldn't do it, just that he was unable to by World Government's situation with Shichibukai.

Kinemon either wasn't strong at the time and trained to Wano arc to prepare with Kaido or just choose to hold back maybe, but feel it more he trained since Dressrosa arc.

 

[M3J]

Zoro would have lost to Doflamingo. Almost anyone on that island except for maybe Fujitora would have lost.

 

[kkck]

Fujitora is clear holding back his power as he didn't even try using his DF and after the fight, he easily lift all rumble in the air, so I wouldn't use him as he couldn't do it, just that he was unable to by World Government's situation with Shichibukai.

Kinemon either wasn't strong at the time and trained to Wano arc to prepare with Kaido or just choose to hold back maybe, but feel it more he trained since Dressrosa arc.

I don't think his ability in general would have been good against the birdcage. His more powerful attacks so far would be meteors which would simply be cut by the strings. And then proceed to cause massive damage beneath. While fujitora did want doflamingo defeated by luffy I don't think he had any reason not to destroy the birdcage considering the sheer amount of civilian casualties. Also, Fujitora was not unable to attack doflamingo, he was unwilling to do so.

The skill to cut kaido was something that oden taught to the scabbards. it's extremely likely all scabbards were capable of this by the time they went to war the kaido... Probably even earlier.

 

[King Moe]

I don't think his ability in general would have been good against the birdcage. His more powerful attacks so far would be meteors which would simply be cut by the strings. And then proceed to cause massive damage beneath. While fujitora did want doflamingo defeated by luffy I don't think he had any reason not to destroy the birdcage considering the sheer amount of civilian casualties. Also, Fujitora was not unable to attack doflamingo, he was unwilling to do so.

The skill to cut kaido was something that oden taught to the scabbards. it's extremely likely all scabbards were capable of this by the time they went to war the kaido... Probably even earlier.

I feel it would, but remember, Fujitora won't risk lives of others around him if he use Gravity too much as it could crush them. It's DF that is hard if you have allies which you got be careful around area, not just hit anywhere you like. It make sense on Fujitora especially seeing his actions with World Government he couldn't harm Doffy early out of his status. I do agree with your points there.

Maybe, it could be, but feels odd why didn't Kinemon try to cut it if he have power on it, so still debating on his abilities as it's not farfetched to say he trained in 2 weeks before Fire Festival and reach that ability Oden taught them perhaps. It feels inconsistent Oda would let them hold back if they had power to cut Birdcage prior instead just holding back just for Luffy.

 

[XXGenesis]

My issue is why didn't he use Ashura to break Birdcage if he has this power? I think it is more technique than power-up if it based on skill. Doesn't make sense in past stuff especially that time not use Ashura to break through Pica more either.

-Fujitora strongest in the island couldn’t break the Birdcage.
-Luffy who beat Doflamingo couldn’t break the birdcage.

So why are you bringing up a technique that can only be dispelled by Knocking out it’s users, who is in the center of the birdcage?!

 

[King Moe]

-Fujitora strongest in the island couldn’t break the Birdcage.
-Luffy who beat Doflamingo couldn’t break the birdcage.

So why are you bringing up a technique that can only be dispelled by Knocking out it’s users, who is in the center of the birdcage?!

Not talking about using it to beat others, but to cut something. Could have been useful and helpful and Zoro is aware of it when he was putting his swords against Birdcage and cutting down Pica completely.

 

[LaGOAT]

Spoiler: 1010

Zoro officially 2nd strongest suprernova my man scar kaido to the point that kaido is confused if he has CoC goats do goat things zoro is easily YC1 tier now

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 10, 2021, Original Post Date: Apr 10, 2021 ---

Zoro Pre Enma????
Could Zoro have taken out Doffy?!
Law just wasn’t good enough 1 vs 1; Luffy got hits in but still went over his G4 time limit and needed to retreat for 10mins.

Zoro gets his reps in. we speculate a boost between Dressrosa & Wano but I think, Zoro could have gotten the job done

Easily zoro hasnt got all out till now

 

[mangaempire29]

Here's an updated version of the strongest One Piece Characters (up to chapter 1010):

Spoiler

1. Rocks D. Xebec
2. Gold D. Roger
3. Whitebeard
4. Monkey D. Garp
5. Shiki
6. Sengoku
7. Kaido
8. Shanks / Mihawk
9. Prime Rayleigh
10. Kozuki Oden
11. Scopper Gaban
12. Sakazuki
13. Big Mom
14. Blackbeard
15. Kuzan
16. Boraslino / Benn Beckman
17. Issho / Rougyoku
18. Luffy
19. Sabo / Marco
20. Zoro
21. Law / Kid
22. Katakuri
23. King
24. Shiryu
25. Weevil
26. Killer
27. Queen
28. Kyoshiro
29. Ashura Doji
30. Jack
31. Charlotte Smoothie
32. Charlotte Cracker
33. Donquixote Doflamingo
34. Boa Hancock
35. Kuma
36. Jozu
37. Vista
38. Magellan
39. Duke Inurashi / Master Nekomamushi
40. Urouge
41. Jinbei / Who's Who
42. Portgas D. Ace
43. Sanji Vinsmoke
44. Yamato
45. X Drake
46. Sasaki / Franky
47. Page One
48. Black Maria
49. Apoo
50. Hawkins

 

[LaGOAT]

Here's an updated version of the strongest One Piece Characters (up to chapter 1010):

Spoiler

1. Rocks D. Xebec
2. Gold D. Roger
3. Whitebeard
4. Monkey D. Garp
5. Shiki
6. Sengoku
7. Kaido
8. Shanks / Mihawk
9. Prime Rayleigh
10. Kozuki Oden
11. Scopper Gaban
12. Sakazuki
13. Big Mom
14. Blackbeard
15. Kuzan
16. Boraslino / Benn Beckman
17. Issho / Rougyoku
18. Luffy
19. Sabo / Marco
20. Zoro
21. Law / Kid
22. Katakuri
23. King
24. Shiryu
25. Weevil
26. Killer
27. Queen
28. Kyoshiro
29. Ashura Doji
30. Jack
31. Charlotte Smoothie
32. Charlotte Cracker
33. Donquixote Doflamingo
34. Boa Hancock
35. Kuma
36. Jozu
37. Vista
38. Magellan
39. Duke Inurashi / Master Nekomamushi
40. Urouge
41. Jinbei / Who's Who
42. Portgas D. Ace
43. Sanji Vinsmoke
44. Yamato
45. X Drake
46. Sasaki / Franky
47. Page One
48. Black Maria
49. Apoo
50. Hawkins

Where imu?

 

[XXGenesis]

Spoiler: 1010

Zoro officially 2nd strongest suprernova my man scar kaido to the point that kaido is confused if he has CoC goats do goat things zoro is easily YC1 tier now

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 10, 2021, Original Post Date: Apr 10, 2021 ---

Easily zoro hasnt got all out till now

I haven’t though too in-depth about it. But I think I agree. It doesn’t really mean Zoro is > Luffy but...Interesting to see that Zoro could have dealt with Doffy & Cracker easier than Luffy because of his fighting style. While Luffy would still more than likely beat Zoro.

Here's an updated version of the strongest One Piece Characters (up to chapter 1010):

Spoiler

1. Rocks D. Xebec
2. Gold D. Roger
3. Whitebeard
4. Monkey D. Garp
5. Shiki
6. Sengoku
7. Kaido
8. Shanks / Mihawk
9. Prime Rayleigh
10. Kozuki Oden
11. Scopper Gaban
12. Sakazuki
13. Big Mom
14. Blackbeard
15. Kuzan
16. Boraslino / Benn Beckman
17. Issho / Rougyoku
18. Luffy
19. Sabo / Marco
20. Zoro
21. Law / Kid
22. Katakuri
23. King
24. Shiryu
25. Weevil
26. Killer
27. Queen
28. Kyoshiro
29. Ashura Doji
30. Jack
31. Charlotte Smoothie
32. Charlotte Cracker
33. Donquixote Doflamingo
34. Boa Hancock
35. Kuma
36. Jozu
37. Vista
38. Magellan
39. Duke Inurashi / Master Nekomamushi
40. Urouge
41. Jinbei / Who's Who
42. Portgas D. Ace
43. Sanji Vinsmoke
44. Yamato
45. X Drake
46. Sasaki / Franky
47. Page One
48. Black Maria
49. Apoo
50. Hawkins

I’m putting BM above Rayleigh....a definitely over Gaban.

 

[King Moe]

Here's an updated version of the strongest One Piece Characters (up to chapter 1010):

Spoiler

1. Rocks D. Xebec
2. Gold D. Roger
3. Whitebeard
4. Monkey D. Garp
5. Shiki
6. Sengoku
7. Kaido
8. Shanks / Mihawk
9. Prime Rayleigh
10. Kozuki Oden
11. Scopper Gaban
12. Sakazuki
13. Big Mom
14. Blackbeard
15. Kuzan
16. Boraslino / Benn Beckman
17. Issho / Rougyoku
18. Luffy
19. Sabo / Marco
20. Zoro
21. Law / Kid
22. Katakuri
23. King
24. Shiryu
25. Weevil
26. Killer
27. Queen
28. Kyoshiro
29. Ashura Doji
30. Jack
31. Charlotte Smoothie
32. Charlotte Cracker
33. Donquixote Doflamingo
34. Boa Hancock
35. Kuma
36. Jozu
37. Vista
38. Magellan
39. Duke Inurashi / Master Nekomamushi
40. Urouge
41. Jinbei / Who's Who
42. Portgas D. Ace
43. Sanji Vinsmoke
44. Yamato
45. X Drake
46. Sasaki / Franky
47. Page One
48. Black Maria
49. Apoo
50. Hawkins

Going by feats, Kidd and Law should be above Zoro given they active and they are damaging and pushing back Yonkos respectively. Zoro isn't stronger than them. Sanji and Jimbei should be much higher especially since Sanji tank and block King's attacks along with blocking Big Mom attack prior and Jimbei was able to fight off Big Mom even though she was nerfed.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Yamato , X drake are ranked too low
Especially yamato , her casually keeping up with gear 2 and 3 luffy is very underrated as well as her blitzing ulti

 

[LaGOAT]

Going by feats, Kidd and Law should be above Zoro given they active and they are damaging and pushing back Yonkos respectively. Zoro isn't stronger than them. Sanji and Jimbei should be much higher especially since Sanji tank and block King's attacks along with blocking Big Mom attack prior and Jimbei was able to fight off Big Mom even though she was nerfed.

Spoiler: Chapter 1010

i mean zoro took/stall 2 yonkos attacks plus law looked shocked when zoro used asura making kaido confusing if he has CoC lets see what kidd can do against BM

Btw how do use the spoiler tag???

 

[Rmstorm]

Spoiler: Chapter 1010

Kaido is just coating his attacks with Conquerors Haki.

Spoiler: Chapter 1010

Which is why he makes contact when he hits luffy.

What Luffy is doing is a step above Kaido, combining his Advanced Armament Haki both levels( barrier and internal destruction haki with Conquerors Haki coating to attack kaido inside without touching him from a distance.

Kaido is coming in contact with Luffy's barrier. Kaido is not using barrier like Whitebeard, Luffy and Roger have been doing.

This is the difference between Yonko and PK level characters is what Luffy does and what Kaido is doing.

 

[Nie Li]

Btw how do use the spoiler tag???

They're only necessary outside the weekly thread until the chapter gets officially released.

 

[King Moe]

Spoiler: Chapter 1010

i mean zoro took/stall 2 yonkos attacks plus law looked shocked when zoro used asura making kaido confusing if he has CoC lets see what kidd can do against BM

Btw how do use the spoiler tag???

Spoiler

Zoro would have die if Law didn't saved him. That isn't blocking or tanking attack. You can't give that as a feat. Also being shock doesn't mean he see him stronger than himself. We can't ignore him making Kaido bleed with Injection Shot and saving Zoro twice in the chapter while Kidd push back Big Mom and now is going to fight with her with Killer. Kidd and Law been gaining their respective feats too and shouldn;'t be underestimated and probably going to continue the fight with Kaido with Luffy.

 

[albertwv]

Spoiler

Zoro would have die if Law didn't saved him. That isn't blocking or tanking attack. You can't give that as a feat. Also being shock doesn't mean he see him stronger than himself. We can't ignore him making Kaido bleed with Injection Shot and saving Zoro twice in the chapter while Kidd push back Big Mom and now is going to fight with her with Killer. Kidd and Law been gaining their respective feats too and shouldn;'t be underestimated and probably going to continue the fight with Kaido with Luffy.

Why are you so against Zolo? You're upset that your favorite character Sanji is down stairs fooling around after getting his ass handed to him by Black Maria while Zolo is up in the roof temporarily blocking what seems to be the strongest combined attack in OP which is a HUGE feat even if it's for a few seconds he managed to save time for Law to teleport them all. That feat alone trumps Sanji's "feat" of "tanking" King's unnamed attack.
Kid and Law havent done any significant damage/threat to the Yonko unlike Luffy and Zolo, I wish we could see more of them but it will have to wait. Killer is just fodder to any of them after losing to Zolo I dont see Killer having any chance to shine.

As of right now Zolo, who managed to cut Kaido twice and scar him once, is above Kid and Law in aspects of strength and durability. Zolo could possibly defeat even Katakuri in strength, maybe not in speed because of FS but still if he manages to cut Katakrui he wins. Zolo can cause damage to Kaido while Katakuri most likely cannot. Law hasnt shown anything strength wise that indicates he is stronger than he was in Dressrosa. Kid hasnt either so I would actually list them below YC1 as of this moment, until they shown otherwise.
Do not rank them near Luffy on the basis that they are his "rivals" akin to WB/Shiki to Roger.

 

[afromarco005]

Zoro Pre Enma????
Could Zoro have taken out Doffy?!
Law just wasn’t good enough 1 vs 1; Luffy got hits in but still went over his G4 time limit and needed to retreat for 10mins.

Zoro gets his reps in. we speculate a boost between Dressrosa & Wano but I think, Zoro could have gotten the job done

Absolutely.

 

[King Moe]

Why are you so against Zolo? You're upset that your favorite character Sanji is down stairs fooling around after getting his ass handed to him by Black Maria while Zolo is up in the roof temporarily blocking what seems to be the strongest combined attack in OP which is a HUGE feat even if it's for a few seconds he managed to save time for Law to teleport them all. That feat alone trumps Sanji's "feat" of "tanking" King's unnamed attack.
Kid and Law havent done any significant damage/threat to the Yonko unlike Luffy and Zolo, I wish we could see more of them but it will have to wait. Killer is just fodder to any of them after losing to Zolo I dont see Killer having any chance to shine.

As of right now Zolo, who managed to cut Kaido twice and scar him once, is above Kid and Law in aspects of strength and durability. Zolo could possibly defeat even Katakuri in strength, maybe not in speed because of FS but still if he manages to cut Katakrui he wins. Zolo can cause damage to Kaido while Katakuri most likely cannot. Law hasnt shown anything strength wise that indicates he is stronger than he was in Dressrosa. Kid hasnt either so I would actually list them below YC1 as of this moment, until they shown otherwise.
Do not rank them near Luffy on the basis that they are his "rivals" akin to WB/Shiki to Roger.

Nothing against him except I don't put him higher than he needs to be. Also how Sanji not fighting women means he won't fight anyone stronger? Don't be insecure cause Zoro needed teaming to fight and it is obvious he would lose to Yonkos in 1 on 1. Also not really stop any feats on Sanji given Sanji tanked King's feat and came back fine while Zoro almost die and Law saved him. Not good comparison your going for here.

What you mean on Kidd and Law? They damage Big Mom and Kidd is off facing her with Killer while Law damage Kaido in recent chapter. He also saved Zoro twice in that chapter from Kaido. What your getting at they 'have no feats'. Don't let biased of your favorite character ignore feats of others. It's obvious Luffy, Kidd, and Law are above Zoro by far. It shows and what you mean Zoro cut Kaido twice and scar him? He only cut once and Kaido tanked that before he one-shot him. Doesn't push anything on Zoro being Yonko level. He is YC lvl, but it doesn't mean he can solo Kaido on his own.

It make sense on why Kidd and Law are above Zoro and Sanji and Jimbei to be higher on the list.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Zolo could possibly defeat even Katakuri in strength, maybe not in speed because of FS but still if he manages to cut Katakrui he wins. Zolo can cause damage to Kaido while Katakuri most likely cannot.

Don't be silly just cos he cut Kaido with a power up sword doesn't mean he can defeat Katakuri.
An argument can be made for post Wano Zoro but it's very clear why he still wouldn't be able to win.

Every Scabbard cut Kaido so it's not really much of a feat. But Zoro's strongest attack is able to scar Kaido all thanks to Enma. Now that's a feat but sadly Enma had to be there. I'm really not comfortable with this cos I'd prefer he also got the Haki boost like Luffy without giving accolades to some stupid sword. It's BS but it's fact!
It's like Sanji tanking one of Kaido's direct attacks while putting on his raid suit. Yes it would be a big feat! But it couldn't have happened without the raid suit so it must be mentioned. I wouldn't be satisfied if such were to happen but it'd still be a feat for Sanji.