One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

Ground Rules for the Power Level Discussion Thread
​

As always, please follow the guidelines set by the Forum Rules that apply across the board.

It's important that discussions from a current chapter are spoiler tagged until 24h have passed from an english release.

• For the sake of constructive discussion, where and when possible please quote/ source any information you provide. Particularly when it comes to conversations carried over from other threads.
• Avoid passive agressive posts, sly remarks or baiting/trolling. You can certainly have fun or disagree without it being at someone's expense.
• Only use anime examples that are canon and as means to provide clarity to pages in the manga. Any other anime material is otherwise non-canon and should only be referenced if it can be proved that the mangaka had approved it.
• We will strive to avoid repetitive discussions and any extensive battle topics will be guided to the Davy Back fight to existing threads or new ones can be made there.

As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

If you wish to continue any of these discussion and remove it from the list, you will need to provide manga material as proof. If there's also anything you think we've covered numerous times, let me know and I'll update the list.

This is the only warning there'll be regarding these ground rules, anything no adhering will be removed. So please just check your posts before posting them.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

i dunno but for me ger parrying a gear 2 and 3 luffy is still hella impressive , we don't have a good gauge on just how truly powerful she is , plus she hasn't gone all out

 

[LaGOAT]

Don't be silly just cos he cut Kaido with a power up sword doesn't mean he can defeat Katakuri.
An argument can be made for post Wano Zoro but it's very clear why he still wouldn't be able to win.

Every Scabbard cut Kaido so it's not really much of a feat. But Zoro's strongest attack is able to scar Kaido all thanks to Enma. Now that's a feat but sadly Enma had to be there. I'm really not comfortable with this cos I'd prefer he also got the Haki boost like Luffy without giving accolades to some stupid sword. It's BS but it's fact!
It's like Sanji tanking one of Kaido's direct attacks while putting on his raid suit. Yes it would be a big feat! But it couldn't have happened without the raid suit so it must be mentioned. I wouldn't be satisfied if such were to happen but it'd still be a feat for Sanji.

I mean that’s ur personal taste/ur opinion that it’s BS. I mean shushi was giving to him after defeating zombie ryuma I don’t see that much of a difference. the difference between the 9 scabbard and zoro is that they did that in his human form while zoro injured him in his hybrid form and Kaido is confusing if he has CoC

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 11, 2021, Original Post Date: Apr 11, 2021 ---

Spoiler

Zoro would have die if Law didn't saved him. That isn't blocking or tanking attack. You can't give that as a feat. Also being shock doesn't mean he see him stronger than himself. We can't ignore him making Kaido bleed with Injection Shot and saving Zoro twice in the chapter while Kidd push back Big Mom and now is going to fight with her with Killer. Kidd and Law been gaining their respective feats too and shouldn;'t be underestimated and probably going to continue the fight with Kaido with Luffy.

Spoiler: Chapter 1010

Didn’t I say stall? Yes he made Kaido bleed but Kaido wasn’t faze by that but when zoro attack Kaido was Actually scarred and questionin him of CoC. he only “save” zoro by switching him to attack him kidd didn’t push BM which was impressive by didn’t actually damage her plus needed law to punch her off the island. I’m not underestimate them I’m saying as for right now at this moment zoro is liking more impressive than the rest except luffy like i said be4 let’s see what kidd and law does in later chapters

 

[kkck]

To me there is definitely something to be said in regards to zoro's apparent "need" of emma to hurt kaido. Lets consider the following:

1.- Luffy can deal consistent damage to kaido with his bare fists.
2.- All scabbards in spite of the apparent different in power level between them could consistently cut kaido. Not that deeply but still relevant.
3.- Ryuma became the sword god of wano with shusui, from the 21 blades. We also can't rule out that it improved a grade upon being made black. Shouldn't we assume someone of ryuma's hype could actually also cut kaido with shusui?

So... to me what zoro's reliance on emma shows is that he simply hasn't mastered his haki to a sufficient degree. If haki can allow luffy to consistently deal damage to kaido via punches or the scabbards to consistently cut kaido then it should definitely allow a sufficiently powerful swordsman to deal damage to a yonko regardless of the blade. Zoro has sandai, a blade noted for it's sharpness and wado, a blade of the same rank and shusui... It's absurd to think that a sufficiently skilled swordsman couldn't use them to injure a yonko.

On another note, it is weird that the series has focused on zoro turning emma black. Why not wado, the blade that has the most significance to him and has been with him the longest?

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

the difference between the 9 scabbard and zoro is that they did that in his human form while zoro injured him in his hybrid form and Kaido is confusing if he has CoC

Nope that's not a difference cos Kaido's durability in dragon and hybrid form is same. All hybrid form does is give a Zoan the advantage of retaining their full animal abilities and features while in a more human form. Hence they are able to use virtually all of their human and Zoan techniques. It's the perfect form for a Zoan.

His durability in Dragon and hybrid form is same and the Scabbards still cut him in dragon form. He's less of a target though as he can move and manouver in a smaller body compared to his dragon form.

 

[King Moe]

I mean that’s ur personal taste/ur opinion that it’s BS. I mean shushi was giving to him after defeating zombie ryuma I don’t see that much of a difference. the difference between the 9 scabbard and zoro is that they did that in his human form while zoro injured him in his hybrid form and Kaido is confusing if he has CoC

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 11, 2021, Original Post Date: Apr 11, 2021 ---

Spoiler: Chapter 1010

Didn’t I say stall? Yes he made Kaido bleed but Kaido wasn’t faze by that but when zoro attack Kaido was Actually scarred and questionin him of CoC. he only “save” zoro by switching him to attack him kidd didn’t push BM which was impressive by didn’t actually damage her plus needed law to punch her off the island. I’m not underestimate them I’m saying as for right now at this moment zoro is liking more impressive than the rest except luffy like i said be4 let’s see what kidd and law does in later chapters

I don't see much stalling when he was about to die from attack if Law saved him. It be more feat if it was at least minute or so, but it stated it was one second though. I give credit on scaring, but doesn't mean it put him above everyone like that or Yonko level especially Kaido wasn't fazed and still attack back by knocking him out while Law tanked the attack and saved him. Law did saved Zoro multiple times in the fight. Don't ignore those feats with Zoro.. He did push her back easily which is still a big feat. Maybe not fully damage her, but if you can push back Yonko that huge and powerful into the air, Kidd deserve props on that.

Zoro is close to them, but he isn't beating them especially given their abilities he has no counter on. Plus Kidd and Law are still active, so we can expect more from them to join Luffy to show who leading the Worst Generation. It puts them above of him still.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 11, 2021 ---

To me there is definitely something to be said in regards to zoro's apparent "need" of emma to hurt kaido. Lets consider the following:

1.- Luffy can deal consistent damage to kaido with his bare fists.
2.- All scabbards in spite of the apparent different in power level between them could consistently cut kaido. Not that deeply but still relevant.
3.- Ryuma became the sword god of wano with shusui, from the 21 blades. We also can't rule out that it improved a grade upon being made black. Shouldn't we assume someone of ryuma's hype could actually also cut kaido with shusui?

So... to me what zoro's reliance on emma shows is that he simply hasn't mastered his haki to a sufficient degree. If haki can allow luffy to consistently deal damage to kaido via punches or the scabbards to consistently cut kaido then it should definitely allow a sufficiently powerful swordsman to deal damage to a yonko regardless of the blade. Zoro has sandai, a blade noted for it's sharpness and wado, a blade of the same rank and shusui... It's absurd to think that a sufficiently skilled swordsman couldn't use them to injure a yonko.

On another note, it is weird that the series has focused on zoro turning emma black. Why not wado, the blade that has the most significance to him and has been with him the longest?

I mean you see it was clear Enma did harm his scales over his swords given we saw it being highlighted again with image as he use Ashura, not rest of his swords, so think your point is on that he was there due to Enma the most especially by what Yonkos said each time when talking about sword and Zoro stated about it's abilities.

 

[Ramen]

Kaido is an idiot in dragon form. Giving his hybrid a scar is a much better feat.

Zoro destroys anyone in the crew (bar Luffy) and is stronger than the other Supernova.

 

[LaGOAT]

I don't see much stalling when he was about to die from attack if Law saved him. It be more feat if it was at least minute or so, but it stated it was one second though. I give credit on scaring, but doesn't mean it put him above everyone like that or Yonko level especially Kaido wasn't fazed and still attack back by knocking him out while Law tanked the attack and saved him. Law did saved Zoro multiple times in the fight. Don't ignore those feats with Zoro.. He did push her back easily which is still a big feat. Maybe not fully damage her, but if you can push back Yonko that huge and powerful into the air, Kidd deserve props on that.

Zoro is close to them, but he isn't beating them especially given their abilities he has no counter on. Plus Kidd and Law are still active, so we can expect more from them to join Luffy to show who leading the Worst Generation. It puts them above of him still.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 11, 2021 ---

I mean you see it was clear Enma did harm his scales over his swords given we saw it being highlighted again with image as he use Ashura, not rest of his swords, so think your point is on that he was there due to Enma the most especially by what Yonkos said each time when talking about sword and Zoro stated about it's abilities.

lol wasnt it stalling? kidd even said that was a great feat even if for a sec i didnt say he would have tank nor have too it im saying that he stall enough that law was able to teleport them that more impressive than kidd pushing big mom and law pushing her off the island. stalling 2 yonkos attacks>2 supernovas punching off 1 yonko off an island. i never said or thought that zoro yonko level because of the scar. it does at the moment because no1 so far (minus luffy) as actually damage kaido to the point that they left a scar. law did hurt kaido but wasnt fazed he was fazed by zoro because he was saying questioning zoro if he has CoC.i know law save zoro during the fight but u said this chapter which isnt true. 2.zoro was already on brink of death/on the ground when he was hit with thunder burga. i mean he said it himself as for right now zoro has been more impressive and showing better feats than kidd and law like i said we will have to see in the upcoming future.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 12, 2021 ---

Nope that's not a difference cos Kaido's durability in dragon and hybrid form is same. All hybrid form does is give a Zoan the advantage of retaining their full animal abilities and features while in a more human form. Hence they are able to use virtually all of their human and Zoan techniques. It's the perfect form for a Zoan.

His durability in Dragon and hybrid form is same and the Scabbards still cut him in dragon form. He's less of a target though as he can move and manouver in a smaller body compared to his dragon form.

even if thats true non of them was able to pull a scar on kaido like zoro what zoro is exactly did what oden did. 2. kaido even said that their attacks are nothing like oden and they attack the same area as where oden left a scar. 3. kaido question if he has kings haki meaning it looks like u need kings haki to scar kaido

 

[Pirate Queen]

I would like to remind everyone of the most poorly aged and funniest comment to ever come out of this forum.


"Luffy will remain ineffective against Kaido despite everything." - nik87

 

[King Moe]

Kaido is an idiot in dragon form. Giving his hybrid a scar is a much better feat.

Zoro destroys anyone in the crew (bar Luffy) and is stronger than the other Supernova.

Zoro isn't beating Sanji and Jimbei at full power. They are all Luffy's Commanders together. They would be evenly match, but do see Zoro and Sanji surpassing Jimbei soon.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 12, 2021, Original Post Date: Apr 12, 2021 ---

lol wasnt it stalling? kidd even said that was a great feat even if for a sec i didnt say he would have tank nor have too it im saying that he stall enough that law was able to teleport them that more impressive than kidd pushing big mom and law pushing her off the island. stalling 2 yonkos attacks>2 supernovas punching off 1 yonko off an island. i never said or thought that zoro yonko level because of the scar. it does at the moment because no1 so far (minus luffy) as actually damage kaido to the point that they left a scar. law did hurt kaido but wasnt fazed he was fazed by zoro because he was saying questioning zoro if he has CoC.i know law save zoro during the fight but u said this chapter which isnt true. 2.zoro was already on brink of death/on the ground when he was hit with thunder burga. i mean he said it himself as for right now zoro has been more impressive and showing better feats than kidd and law like i said we will have to see in the upcoming future.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 12, 2021 ---

even if thats true non of them was able to pull a scar on kaido like zoro what zoro is exactly did what oden did. 2. kaido even said that their attacks are nothing like oden and they attack the same area as where oden left a scar. 3. kaido question if he has kings haki meaning it looks like u need kings haki to scar kaido

How can you stall in a second? That doesn't make sense. He got saved by Law and Law did stated he would had die if he didn't save him. I mean Kidd isn't godo judge on 'scaling'. Didn't he called Apoo is 'trash' after his attack despite Apoo turns out to be one of Top 5 Supernovas though with his performance? I wouldn't trust on his scaling just because he is being nice there.

Honestly Law been quite fast and attacking more than even Zoro and Kidd pushing back Big Mom with ease after tanking her fist is a big feat. You can't denied that one. Those are above what Zoro did as it's not a feat if you were going to die and didn't block it. You got thank Enma still for doing that given highlight about it's abilities as Kaido stated, but credit is still there for Zoro getting his hit in, but it was clear that wouldn't stop Kaido as shown when he tanked it and attack back.

Also you don't think Law has COC too? After feats he has shown too? Pretty sure he is just like Luffy and Kidd on his Haki level. Zoro can be close to their level, but Luffy, Kidd, and Law are still stronger than them. Zoro isn't above Supernova Captains of those two. It is one of the reason why Kidd and Law still have more to show compare to Zoro. You shouldn't underestimate them thinking they won't continue to show what they can do too.

 

[Hibari Kyoya]

I think King Moe would still be arguing Sanji = Zoro, even if Ashura Zoro had taken Kaidou's head clean off. "Kaidou was clearly much weaker than we expected."..."Kaidou was already injured by 9 Scabbards and Luffy"..."It was basically Enma.". There is literally nothing Zoro could realistically do that wouldn't cause you to try and finesse a justification.

So yeah. I don't know why anyone engages in these debates with him anymore. He is the first to state headcannon but then pulls "You don't think Law has CoC too based on his feats?" despite the complete lack of evidence.

 

[King Moe]

I think King Moe would still be arguing Sanji = Zoro, even if Ashura Zoro had taken Kaidou's head clean off. "Kaidou was clearly much weaker than we expected."..."Kaidou was already injured by 9 Scabbards and Luffy"..."It was basically Enma.". There is literally nothing Zoro could realistically do that wouldn't cause you to try and finesse a justification.

So yeah. I don't know why anyone engages in these debates with him anymore. He is the first to state headcannon but then pulls "You don't think Law has CoC too based on his feats?" despite the complete lack of evidence.

I mean team fight doesn't mean he can solo Kaido and just stating situation at hand about what is going on. We saw Enma being highlight within his Ashura. You doubting it's not playing a role at all when Big Mom and Kaido talks about it and Zoro even stats on it's own abilities? It's not headcannon when you see it there.

Headcannon to say Law has COC too? The same guy who injured Kaido and got Big Mom out away from battlefield. The man who has 'D,' in his name isn't an COC user? Of all talks to say is 'headcannon' my statement, this got be one of most illogical I ever hear if you think Law is not worthy or doesn't have COC himself when he been pushed as he is and being major rival wo Luffy and Kidd who are also COC users too.

Hibari, try again when you want to go after someone on their talk. Of anything you could go on, this is most illogical statement I hear especially doubting Law doesn't have COC at all. There been evidence, but of course your one of the few to ignore that out of having favorite character that you want make him better than even those who were doing work in this chapter like Law saving Zoro twice. I have feeling you even believe Zoro over Luffy just because too.

 

[Ricko]

There been evidence, but of course your one of the few to ignore that out of having favorite character that you want make him better than even those who were doing work in this chapter like Law saving Zoro twice

Zoro have save Luffy more than twice time in the fight... Does it make him stronger than his captain ?
Your argument are always so one side minded...

We can't compare Law and Zoro, the first one is more a tactician and support than a fighter.
While the second is a brawler, made to endure and do fatal blow.

I'm sure that Zoro would have made a better fight than Law against Doflamingo who stomped him.
But in otherside Law would have better chance against tricky power like Crackers than Zoro.

If Zoro blitz Law, he would win, (like when he blitzed Apoo) but if Law manage to put distance and use the landing, it will be near impossible to Zoro to touch Law...

 

[albertwv]

I think Moe is the only one on here that thinks Zolo isnt stronger than Kid or Law or Sanji (LOL). Zolo is above everyone but Luffy among the SNs, what has Kid or Law done worthy enough to damage/scar any Yonko. Kaido praised Law because of how tricky his DF is. People say its all thanks to Enma Zolo is this strong but he has learn to master/tame the sword so it now is his strength NOT Enma's. If anything its 50/50. Do you think Law would be able to cut Kaido with Enma?

Moe, how can you say Zolo=Sanji. This just shows your fanboyism, you are the Nik of Sanji....
No one believes here that Zolo can 1v1 a Yonko, not even Luffy. But Zolo is now on a higher tier than Sanji, Jimbei, Kid, Law, and even Katakuri. He would win high diff versus Katakuri.

Apoo is Top 5? Lol name your SN list, mine is:
Luffy>Zolo>Kid>Law>Drake>Urouge>Hawkins>Apoo>Killer>Bege

Law doesnt have COC, but he might have the potential especially since he is a "D" but it has yet to be shown so NO you CANNOT claim he has it until Oda decides to mention it.

I'll say again just to spite you, Zolo CAN defeat Sanji currently and Jimbei.

 

[M3J]

I haven’t though too in-depth about it. But I think I agree. It doesn’t really mean Zoro is > Luffy but...Interesting to see that Zoro could have dealt with Doffy & Cracker easier than Luffy because of his fighting style. While Luffy would still more than likely beat Zoro.





I’m putting BM above Rayleigh....a definitely over Gaban.

I think Zoro would have lost to Doflamingo, given Doflamingo is a string user and seems to be able to slash. All it'd have taken is wrapping Zoro in strings and then squeezing.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

I think Zoro would have lost to Doflamingo, given Doflamingo is a string user and seems to be able to slash. All it'd have taken is wrapping Zoro in strings and then squeezing.

Lol no.

 

[King Moe]

I think Moe is the only one on here that thinks Zolo isnt stronger than Kid or Law or Sanji (LOL). Zolo is above everyone but Luffy among the SNs, what has Kid or Law done worthy enough to damage/scar any Yonko. Kaido praised Law because of how tricky his DF is. People say its all thanks to Enma Zolo is this strong but he has learn to master/tame the sword so it now is his strength NOT Enma's. If anything its 50/50. Do you think Law would be able to cut Kaido with Enma?

Moe, how can you say Zolo=Sanji. This just shows your fanboyism, you are the Nik of Sanji....
No one believes here that Zolo can 1v1 a Yonko, not even Luffy. But Zolo is now on a higher tier than Sanji, Jimbei, Kid, Law, and even Katakuri. He would win high diff versus Katakuri.

Apoo is Top 5? Lol name your SN list, mine is:
Luffy>Zolo>Kid>Law>Drake>Urouge>Hawkins>Apoo>Killer>Bege

Law doesnt have COC, but he might have the potential especially since he is a "D" but it has yet to be shown so NO you CANNOT claim he has it until Oda decides to mention it.

I'll say again just to spite you, Zolo CAN defeat Sanji currently and Jimbei.

Actually no. There more here who say Kidd and Law are stronger than Zoro. Sanji I have stated he is equal to Zoro, but not saying headcannon you all think on Zoro over Luffy (LOL) like certain others.

Well Kidd and Law shown harming and pushing back Yonkos, why shouldn't they? Just because they don't put scar on Kaido doesn't mean they aren't damaging or pushing them back. By that logic Luffy isn't stronger than Zoro given his attacks never scar Kaido, but are clearly hurting them. It is Enma given how much it was highlight by Big Mom and Kaido and even Zoro stated about it having it's own abilities. Zoro on his own wouldn't done same thing if it wasn't for team. That is clear here.

Cause team fights =/= doesn't mean solo fights. Zoro hasn't shown anything who he can beat 1 on 1 and even in teams he didn't beat Big Mom (Who is unharmed from his attacks) and Kaido. Sanji going to face YC lvl opponent being King or Queen and him maybe getting to fight Kaido later given if he hears situation with Luffy could come into showing him off more. Zoro isn't that above nor stronger than certain characters either like ones stated above.

He is. Look at this:

1. Luffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4. Apoo, Zoro, and Killer
5. Urouge
6. Drake
7. Hawkins
8. Bege
9. Bonney

We don't know as we have to see. Though he has all traits to have COC and could already have it for all we know. He injuried Kaido in chapter, so his Haki have to be good to pierce through like that on Hybrid.

Zoro is on same tier as Sanji and Jimbei. That is true and do not underestimate them.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2021, Original Post Date: Apr 13, 2021 ---

Zoro have save Luffy more than twice time in the fight... Does it make him stronger than his captain ?
Your argument are always so one side minded...

We can't compare Law and Zoro, the first one is more a tactician and support than a fighter.
While the second is a brawler, made to endure and do fatal blow.

I'm sure that Zoro would have made a better fight than Law against Doflamingo who stomped him.
But in otherside Law would have better chance against tricky power like Crackers than Zoro.

If Zoro blitz Law, he would win, (like when he blitzed Apoo) but if Law manage to put distance and use the landing, it will be near impossible to Zoro to touch Law...

Luffy didn't need saving most moments except when G4 time limit which make sense. Luffy can fight on his own as shown in this chapter.

Law was able to make Kaido bleed though in chapter, so his Haki have to be good to do that. Zoro got one-shot though so Idk about endure more than Law who shown many durability and endurance feats on his side.

Nah, Zoro back then would lose to Doflamingo when he couldn't cut his Birdcage. No way on that. Law beating Crackers I can see happening.

Law is faster than Zoro though, so doubt Zoro can get him given how fast he teleported everyone when Hakai missed them. Not saying Zoro won't give challenging fight, but Law beats Zoro overall.

 

[XXGenesis]

I think Moe is the only one on here that thinks Zolo isnt stronger than Kid or Law or Sanji (LOL). Zolo is above everyone but Luffy among the SNs, what has Kid or Law done worthy enough to damage/scar any Yonko. Kaido praised Law because of how tricky his DF is. People say its all thanks to Enma Zolo is this strong but he has learn to master/tame the sword so it now is his strength NOT Enma's. If anything its 50/50. Do you think Law would be able to cut Kaido with Enma?

Moe, how can you say Zolo=Sanji. This just shows your fanboyism, you are the Nik of Sanji....
No one believes here that Zolo can 1v1 a Yonko, not even Luffy. But Zolo is now on a higher tier than Sanji, Jimbei, Kid, Law, and even Katakuri. He would win high diff versus Katakuri.

Apoo is Top 5? Lol name your SN list, mine is:
Luffy>Zolo>Kid>Law>Drake>Urouge>Hawkins>Apoo>Killer>Bege

Law doesnt have COC, but he might have the potential especially since he is a "D" but it has yet to be shown so NO you CANNOT claim he has it until Oda decides to mention it.

I'll say again just to spite you, Zolo CAN defeat Sanji currently and Jimbei.

There are still a few who believe Kidd & Law still can pose a considerable threat to Zoro.

Which is fair, but how ppl don’t see Zoro would win against them idk. Law has good utility with his DF, But that hasn’t shown that on a 1 v 1 basis.

Zoro & Luffy were the most offensive in the SN vs Yonkou, they were the only one to attack with Haki and hurt Kaido with it. All Law did was transport ppl around and pop in for sneak attacks with some of his best moves. Durability needs some work

 

[King Moe]

There are still a few who believe Kidd & Law still can pose a considerable threat to Zoro.

Which is fair, but how ppl don’t see Zoro would win against them idk. Law at best has good utility with his DF and is good at using it. But that hasn’t been on a 1 v 1 basis.

Zoro & Luffy were the most offensive in the SN vs Yonkou, they were the only one to attack with Haki and hurt Kaido with it. All Law did was transport ppl around and pop in for sneak attacks with some of his best moves. Durability needs some work

Kidd and Law show feats on their offense and defense against Kaido and Big Mom respective. Ignoring that doesn't make sense at all though. Plus Luffy we agree is strongest, but Zoro isn't above Kidd and Law. Don't push Zoro on same tier as Luffy who shown this chapter he is still huge gap away from Zoro. Also Zoro did sneak attack when Kaido was gonig after Luffy or when Big Mom was aiming for Luffy. What you mean? Kidd and Law has shown durability feats from tanking the Yonko's attacks head-on and are still active.

 

[albertwv]

Actually no. There more here who say Kidd and Law are stronger than Zoro. Sanji I have stated he is equal to Zoro, but not saying headcannon you all think on Zoro over Luffy (LOL) like certain others.

Well Kidd and Law shown harming and pushing back Yonkos, why shouldn't they? Just because they don't put scar on Kaido doesn't mean they aren't damaging or pushing them back. By that logic Luffy isn't stronger than Zoro given his attacks never scar Kaido, but are clearly hurting them. It is Enma given how much it was highlight by Big Mom and Kaido and even Zoro stated about it having it's own abilities. Zoro on his own wouldn't done same thing if it wasn't for team. That is clear here.

Cause team fights =/= doesn't mean solo fights. Zoro hasn't shown anything who he can beat 1 on 1 and even in teams he didn't beat Big Mom (Who is unharmed from his attacks) and Kaido. Sanji going to face YC lvl opponent being King or Queen and him maybe getting to fight Kaido later given if he hears situation with Luffy could come into showing him off more. Zoro isn't that above nor stronger than certain characters either like ones stated above.

He is. Look at this:

1. Luffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4. Apoo, Zoro, and Killer
5. Urouge
6. Drake
7. Hawkins
8. Bege
9. Bonney

We don't know as we have to see. Though he has all traits to have COC and could already have it for all we know. He injuried Kaido in chapter, so his Haki have to be good to pierce through like that on Hybrid.

Zoro is on same tier as Sanji and Jimbei. That is true and do not underestimate them.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2021, Original Post Date: Apr 13, 2021 ---

Luffy didn't need saving most moments except when G4 time limit which make sense. Luffy can fight on his own as shown in this chapter.

Law was able to make Kaido bleed though in chapter, so his Haki have to be good to do that. Zoro got one-shot though so Idk about endure more than Law who shown many durability and endurance feats on his side.

Nah, Zoro back then would lose to Doflamingo when he couldn't cut his Birdcage. No way on that. Law beating Crackers I can see happening.

Law is faster than Zoro though, so doubt Zoro can get him given how fast he teleported everyone when Hakai missed them. Not saying Zoro won't give challenging fight, but Law beats Zoro overall.

Look here, I agree that Luffy is above Zolo, anyone who doesnt is wrong. Luffy is on another level, but Zolo is right below him and near Kid and Law. Kid or Law have not done significant damage to the Yonko like Luffy or Zolo have. Law was able to bleed Kaido because he stabbed him INTERNALLY no haki used there. Kid used his metal arm to REPEL Big Mom which honestly is NO feat.

I repeat Luffy > Zolo there is a good gap there but there is a huger gap between Zolo and Sanji now. Also, Zolo is NOT going to 1v1 any Yonko right now, nobody in their right mind is saying Zolo 1v1 Kaido. Zolo is NOT on the same tier as Sanji or Jimbei, do you really think Jimbei can hurt Kaido like Zolo has.

Zolo didn't get "one-shot", he temporarily blocked the Combo attack still taking in damage, with Kid and Law somewhat praising Zolo for it.
Law was surprised Zolo was still able to stand after that attack. Zolo definitely has endured more than Law. Law isnt faster than Zolo, its only his DF but strength wise Zolo wins easily. Law's only advantage from anyone is his tricky DF teleportation.
Zolo would have lost to Doffy back in Dressrosa but Wano Zolo would high diff Doffy.

How do you have Apoo over Urouge? Lol. What has Apoo done that is so great? Please do not mention how he damaged Luffy and Zolo because that is no help.

 

[King Moe]

Look here, I agree that Luffy is above Zolo, anyone who doesnt is wrong. Luffy is on another level, but Zolo is right below him and near Kid and Law. Kid or Law have not done significant damage to the Yonko like Luffy or Zolo have. Law was able to bleed Kaido because he stabbed him INTERNALLY no haki used there. Kid used his metal arm to REPEL Big Mom which honestly is NO feat.

I repeat Luffy > Zolo there is a good gap there but there is a huger gap between Zolo and Sanji now. Also, Zolo is NOT going to 1v1 any Yonko right now, nobody in their right mind is saying Zolo 1v1 Kaido. Zolo is NOT on the same tier as Sanji or Jimbei, do you really think Jimbei can hurt Kaido like Zolo has.

Zolo didn't get "one-shot", he temporarily blocked the Combo attack still taking in damage, with Kid and Law somewhat praising Zolo for it.
Law was surprised Zolo was still able to stand after that attack. Zolo definitely has endured more than Law. Law isnt faster than Zolo, its only his DF but strength wise Zolo wins easily. Law's only advantage from anyone is his tricky DF teleportation.
Zolo would have lost to Doffy back in Dressrosa but Wano Zolo would high diff Doffy.

How do you have Apoo over Urouge? Lol. What has Apoo done that is so great? Please do not mention how he damaged Luffy and Zolo because that is no help.

Thank you at least you don't say Zoro over Luffy because he is when he isn't. Kidd and Law are above him as it is feat to able to make Kaido bleed and stab through his neck like that by Law and Kidd tanking on Big Mom's punch and then repelling her while still being active. That are big feats over Zoro who got first hit by Kaido and didn't tank it and got knockout. He actually got hit with Law with same attack and Law still tank it and is active too. Huge gap between Luffy and Zoro while not really with Sanji and Jimbei as yes Sanji and Jimbei would be support just like Zoro in fighting Yonkos. They blocked and tank Big Mom's attack early. They shouldn't be underestimated and Both have means to harm Kaido given fire and water they can use on him.

He got one-shot and would have die from that attack from Yonkos if it wasn't from Law again being so fast he got everyone away from there. I give credit on him attempting, but it doesn't remove he would have die if he stood there. Zoro is standing due to being saved before being knockout though. That attack or Kaido's attack would have knock him out regardless. Law took same attack and still tank it though. On physical strength we can debate on that, but overall Kidd and Law are more over Zoro. That is a fact.

Of course now Zoro can beat Doflamingo, but we stating Zoro from back then would lose. he wasn't beating Zoro.

Apoo show many feats and even tanked attacks in 2 vs 1 especially Hybrid Drake and Enma Zoro using his Shison son and still back to fighting. Apoo deserve to be YC lvl when he is still fighting even now. Plus his sound DF still gave trouble to Luffy and Zoro. Not to say they can't beat him (Well still debatable if Zoro can on his own), but he is not someone to underestimate when we haven't seen his full power yet at all.