One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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7. Law having CoC currently.
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[Fox666]

Law wants to become Pirate King:

 

[Deleted member 169696]

There you go. Chapter 505 is the first time Kid clearly said he wants to become PK.

After we learnt about Law's true motivations, Law has yet to prove he has any interest in becoming PK. He dealt with Doflamingo, and his new objective about learning more about the D and the void century seems to be in line with Robin's, rather than becoming PK.

But both Law and Kidd reacted similarly though. It seems to me that both of them want to find One Piece.

 

[King Moe]

There you go. Chapter 505 is the first time Kid clearly said he wants to become PK.

After we learnt about Law's true motivations, Law has yet to prove he has any interest in becoming PK. He dealt with Doflamingo, and his new objective about learning more about the D and the void century seems to be in line with Robin's, rather than becoming PK.

Still where Raftel is located, so he will fight Kidd and Luffy for PK whether he doesn't desire to conqueror something, it's still there him wanting to be one to be there first otherwise it doesn't make sense why he been having attitudes and competing with Luffy and Kidd if it's not to be completive given what he is interested. Oda build them for a reason to leading of the New Generation as they kinda like Roger, Whitebeard, and Shiki who have their own goals, but still desire to be Pirate King or at least Law is like Whitebeard who doesn't see desire to per-say on conqueror, but have goals to push him to be candidate like that. Still doesn't remove him being possible COC user though given traits and hints about him having it.

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Does anyone want to have another guess at the match ups going to happen? Most of them are already concrete (Franky vs Sasaki, Robin vs BM, Jack vs Dog, Whos Who vs Jimbei).

King Queen are still out there im sure Marco is not going to take on them both someone has to come if not that would be too lame on Oda's writing. I think the 9RS shouldve been done for the count or at least not taken Jack and Fukurukuju as match ups, save those for the Straw Hats.

If I have say, I can see probably Sanji and Yamato to fight King and Queen especially Perospero is around area and could fight Macro again given Chopper won't be able to handle him without someone on his side.

 

[Nie Li]

Law wants to become Pirate King:

I feel like his motivations were pretty much retconned as soon as Oda developed his story a bit more from Punk Hazard to Dressrosa but fair enough, he did say that.

 

[King Moe]

Wow you were able to provide a panel of Kid wanting to be a PK but Moe cant find one of Law saying the same. lol Laws goal was to kill Doffy and die if he had to to accomplish that. Now he wants to live to figure out what the D means. Law is not interested in being the PK, probably never was. So I guess there goes Laws chance of having COC.

Zolo has COC while Law doesn't.

WB lost to the admirals because it was basically traitor, elite marines, VAs, Aokiji, Kizaru, Akainu, his failing heart, BB, BB Pirates vs only WB. Not at the same time but it wore him down. If anything that just shows how crazy strong WB is and from there you can infer that a healthy OLD WB can still fuck up high diff any admiral.

Well Fox just posted on it under you, so yeah not only one thinking this nor am I only one who thinks Law has COC and wants to be PK. It's being insecure to say I am only one who thinks this when you have different posts backing on Law here.

Also again Law has it and Zolo isn't only one on roof to have COC with Kidd and Luffy as well.

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I feel like his motivations were pretty much retconned as soon as Oda developed his story a bit more from Punk Hazard to Dressrosa but fair enough, he did say that.

Doesn't make sense he retcon it when recently he is fighting in comparable with Luffy and Kidd and he even got upset when he was seen like a 'underling' to Luffy when he isn't. He doesn't want to be under anyone and be in charge as shown him competing with them. No proof on Oda on that if he showing Law is able to fight with them like that.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Wow you were able to provide a panel of Kid wanting to be a PK but Moe cant find one of Law saying the same. lol Laws goal was to kill Doffy and die if he had to to accomplish that. Now he wants to live to figure out what the D means. Law is not interested in being the PK, probably never was. So I guess there goes Laws chance of having COC.

Zolo has COC while Law doesn't.

WB lost to the admirals because it was basically traitor, elite marines, VAs, Aokiji, Kizaru, Akainu, his failing heart, BB, BB Pirates vs only WB. Not at the same time but it wore him down. If anything that just shows how crazy strong WB is and from there you can infer that a healthy OLD WB can still fuck up high diff any admiral.

Don’t blame squardo it impaired him but Marco and white beard note that had he been who he was once was this wouldn’t have been an issue
Heck it’s demonstrated when ace couldn’t even touch white beard before , white beard asleep could passively deal and sense ace , while a battle alert white beard got jumped by squared
White beard got hurt by VAs while akainu legit ran through the WB commanders and crocodile unscathed
Maybe if he was healthy he might have been stronger but he wasn’t in his prime no longer

 

[Ramen]

you can infer that a healthy OLD WB can still fuck up high diff any admiral.

Lmao at this

 

[albertwv]

Lmao at this

LMFAO at this

STOP saying Law has COC when he doesnt. Sure he MIGHT have it but it has yet to be confirmed! I am NOT denying that there is a possibility of Law having COC, you are right there are many hints that Law may have it but as of chapter 1010 he does not.

There is a difference between MAYBE and CONFIRMED. Until you show solid proof of Law having COC shut up about it.

Don’t blame squardo it impaired him but Marco and white beard note that had he been who he was once was this wouldn’t have been an issue
Heck it’s demonstrated when ace couldn’t even touch white beard before , white beard asleep could passively deal and sense ace , while a battle alert white beard got jumped by squared
White beard got hurt by VAs while akainu legit ran through the WB commanders and crocodile unscathed
Maybe if he was healthy he might have been stronger but he wasn’t in his prime no longer

Squardo pierce WB clean in his abdomen. Akainu has logia defense so the WB commanders that arent Marcos cant hurt him. WB was attacked by Elite Marines after he got struck by Akainu AFTER a heart attack. Big difference there.
I am not saying WB was in his prime in MF. I say again WB was NOT in his prime at MF.

WB arrived at MF, he was sick and old nothing like his days vs Roger. WB was betrayed, had a heart attack, was in enemy territory OUTNUMBERED, held back so he wouldnt harm Ace or his crew, defeated John Giant and VA Giant in one hit, got lazered by Kizaru, frozen by Aokiji, burned by Akainu, shot and slashed at by BBP and finally kicked the bucket.
But hey Akainu managed to take on the WB Commanders by himself. Yup that means Akainu > WB.

Say if WB and Akainu were in Punk Hazard 1v1, WB was old but still healthy with no heart problems, WB would high diff Akainu.

 

[M3J]

Law wants to become Pirate King:

Is this still true or was Oda actually planning on having Law actually want revenge? I mean, Law could have been pretending to want to go to Raftel, OR he actually does plan on going to Raftel, OR as someone said, it could have been retconned.

 

[Fox666]

I feel like his motivations were pretty much retconned as soon as Oda developed his story a bit more from Punk Hazard to Dressrosa but fair enough, he did say that.

It's not public knowledge that the One Piece is connected with the Void Century.

So the fact that Law gathered a crew and made it to the New World is proof that he wants to become Pirate King.

 

[King Moe]

LMFAO at this

STOP saying Law has COC when he doesnt. Sure he MIGHT have it but it has yet to be confirmed! I am NOT denying that there is a possibility of Law having COC, you are right there are many hints that Law may have it but as of chapter 1010 he does not.

There is a difference between MAYBE and CONFIRMED. Until you show solid proof of Law having COC shut up about it.



Squardo pierce WB clean in his abdomen. Akainu has logia defense so the WB commanders that arent Marcos cant hurt him. WB was attacked by Elite Marines after he got struck by Akainu AFTER a heart attack. Big difference there.
I am not saying WB was in his prime in MF. I say again WB was NOT in his prime at MF.

WB arrived at MF, he was sick and old nothing like his days vs Roger. WB was betrayed, had a heart attack, was in enemy territory OUTNUMBERED, held back so he wouldnt harm Ace or his crew, defeated John Giant and VA Giant in one hit, got lazered by Kizaru, frozen by Aokiji, burned by Akainu, shot and slashed at by BBP and finally kicked the bucket.
But hey Akainu managed to take on the WB Commanders by himself. Yup that means Akainu > WB.

Say if WB and Akainu were in Punk Hazard 1v1, WB was old but still healthy with no heart problems, WB would high diff Akainu.

Then we can say same thing on Blackbeard, Garp, and Dragon, but it already heavily implied that these guys have it just same as Law. No one is saying anything that is impossible. Whether it announced yet or later, it is obvious to see on the characters given they fill out requirements of how one has COC.

 

[Fox666]

Not all strong characters must have CoC.

 

[Nie Li]

It's not public knowledge that the One Piece is connected with the Void Century.

So the fact that Law gathered a crew and made it to the New World is proof that he wants to become Pirate King.

How is that proof if you don't ignore what was argued?

Until Dressrosa his final objective was a possibly suicide mission against Doflamingo. Unveiling the secrets of the D and the void century is his new life objective.

He came to the NW with a crew for the first objective. And that pre-TS objective feels retconned because of that. It's from before Oda fleshed out whst Law's story and objectives would be. Oda himself has admitted he initially only created the supernova to be around during Sabaody as small time characters with no particular plans for but he expanded their relevance due to their unexpected popularity.

Such a mistake regarding his motivations is not impossible because of how he handled things.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

LMFAO at this

STOP saying Law has COC when he doesnt. Sure he MIGHT have it but it has yet to be confirmed! I am NOT denying that there is a possibility of Law having COC, you are right there are many hints that Law may have it but as of chapter 1010 he does not.

There is a difference between MAYBE and CONFIRMED. Until you show solid proof of Law having COC shut up about it.



Squardo pierce WB clean in his abdomen. Akainu has logia defense so the WB commanders that arent Marcos cant hurt him. WB was attacked by Elite Marines after he got struck by Akainu AFTER a heart attack. Big difference there.
I am not saying WB was in his prime in MF. I say again WB was NOT in his prime at MF.

WB arrived at MF, he was sick and old nothing like his days vs Roger. WB was betrayed, had a heart attack, was in enemy territory OUTNUMBERED, held back so he wouldnt harm Ace or his crew, defeated John Giant and VA Giant in one hit, got lazered by Kizaru, frozen by Aokiji, burned by Akainu, shot and slashed at by BBP and finally kicked the bucket.
But hey Akainu managed to take on the WB Commanders by himself. Yup that means Akainu > WB.

Say if WB and Akainu were in Punk Hazard 1v1, WB was old but still healthy with no heart problems, WB would high diff Akainu.

marco and vista Who had haki couldn’t even harm akainu with a haki attack , same way

again your missing the point , white beard of literally a few months ago would have casually dodged and anticipated squard attack both Marco and white beard acknowledged it ( wb was literally able to be fine in his sleep against ace )
My first main point , the admirals were putting whitebeard in a
ALSO whitebeard were holding back , well so were admirals , especially them punk hazard being proof
Also the admirals said it so themselves their job was to try and defend marineford , they couldn’t even cut loose
Prime whitebeard sure he’s defeating the admirals
But old white whitebeard even healthy not even 100% sure , he’s not quite as powerful as he was when he won the moniker worlds strongest man
Garp and Rayleigh had both acknowledged age diminishes power , they’re still op but not quite as strong , wb is no exception

and again akainu has the number one offensive fruit in the one piece world

 

[Fox666]

and again akainu has the number one offensive fruit in the one piece world

Akainu's fruit is said to have the "highest offensive power". That means there could be other fruits equally powerful...

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Akainu's fruit is said to have the "highest offensive power". That means there could be other fruits equally powerful...

At the very least but by that in a fight , in an offensive struggle , his fruit is second to none at best you can tie it

 

[XXGenesis]

Akainu's fruit is said to have the "highest offensive power". That means there could be other fruits equally powerful...

Most likely that’s true. Due to its nature as a element to burn even fire.

At the very least but by that in a fight , in an offensive struggle , his fruit is second to none at best you can tie it

The natural counter to Akinu’s DF is Kuzan’s Ice.

but we see that Advance Haki deals with DF users pretty well

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Most likely that’s true. Due to its nature as a element to burn even fire.




The natural counter to Akinu’s DF is Kuzan’s Ice.

but we see that Advance Haki deals with DF users pretty well

The natural counter is something else
Ace and kuzan fruits are counterparts imo from that clash
However maybe Kuzan awakened or has levels to his ice

 

[bananamonkee]

The natural counter is something else
Ace and kuzan fruits are counterparts imo from that clash
However maybe Kuzan awakened or has levels to his ice

given the level of tiers in logia wouldn't the counterparts be

Magma - Ice
Fire - Snow

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

given the level of tiers in logia wouldn't the counterparts be

Magma - Ice
Fire - Snow

Flame is deffs stronger imo
Monet very touch didn't ruin you the way ace and kuzan did
Ace showed way more firepower than monet
But I doubt it

Ace clashed with kuzan no issue when he tried it with akainu he instantly lost
Akainu also easily instantly melted a massive iceberg during the war

I think this is even the way kuzan loss to akainu happened , his fruit was just flat out stronger