One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Lord Traffy Law]

If you take the battle against Kaido and Big Mom seriously, then Killer is on a completely different level compared to Judge, Queen or Marco.

Marco is clear ahead of killer , big mum opted not to fight himn that’s clear respect of strength
She did grab him but wanted to use perospero to attack him , which again would just have regenerated after
She didn’t waste time
Killer much stronger than judge imo
Killer and queen is TBD

 

[GL_Nova]

Luffy is trading blows with Kaido. An is only down now because he ran out of Haki in base. If he was in G4 and expected it he’d have had an exit strategy. Also it sets up him going Big gears off top next round because he knows he can’t conserve Haki and use what he needs to beat Kaido.

Zoro, stopping combined Yonko attacks, earning MVP’s, and leaving the top tank permanently scarred. An as predicted Oda is still prepping him for more madness.

Sanji jumped on the scene and bitch slapped 2 YC who are both at least YC2 lvl. Preospero believes he’s YC1 Lvl and we haven’t been shown either way. So all the Sanji has been left behind forever can take a rest. He’ll still get his feats. After Oda takes this opportunity for a dope Trigun reference lol.

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An that hasn’t even mentioned the Robin & Jinbei love. The official Chopper and Nami upgrades these last 3 chapters. An the clearly in the pipeline Usopp & Brooke upgrades. Excited isn’t the word.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Luffy is trading blows with Kaido. An is only down now because he ran out of Haki in base. If he was in G4 and expected it he’d have had an exit strategy. Also it sets up him going Big gears off top next round because he knows he can’t conserve Haki and use what he needs to beat Kaido.

Zoro, stopping combined Yonko attacks, earning MVP’s, and leaving the top tank permanently scarred. An as predicted Oda is still prepping him for more madness.

Sanji jumped on the scene and bitch slapped 2 YC who are both at least YC2 lvl. Preospero believes he’s YC1 Lvl and we haven’t been shown either way. So all the Sanji has been left behind forever can take a rest. He’ll still get his feats. After Oda takes this opportunity for a dope Trigun reference lol.

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An that hasn’t even mentioned the Robin & Jinbei love. The official Chopper and Nami upgrades these last 3 chapters. An the clearly in the pipeline Usopp & Brooke upgrades. Excited isn’t the word.

Perospero is not YC1 level he wants to be leade of big mum pirates because he’s the smartest not causes the strongest
He’s not comparable to cracker or doflamingo talk less of katakuri or king
He was getting tensioned by 2 suulong minks while jack defeated 10s if not 100s
He’s getting way way overhyped

 

[hokageji]

I do like his chances somewhat against Jack
But I think cracker could defeat him , he’s solidly YC3 me to

Cracker's DF ability seems weak and yet, his ability to create them back to back is significantly superior. Mingo is amongst the most versatile DF users we've seen... He can easily create enough threads to stop, slow and even cut or control the clones... it will be a great matchup but i feel Mingo will win... The argument to send Cracker just cos Luffy defeated him doesn't make him stronger than Mingo.

 

[XXGenesis]

Cracker's DF ability seems weak and yet, his ability to create them back to back is significantly superior. Mingo is amongst the most versatile DF users we've seen... He can easily create enough threads to stop, slow and even cut or control the clones... it will be a great matchup but i feel Mingo will win... The argument to send Cracker just cos Luffy defeated him doesn't make him stronger than Mingo.

How does mingo destroy the Cracker clones that took G4 power to do. & Doffy couldn’t injure G4....Yet Cracker could.

Doffy has DF skill, High Stamina, Endurance, decent haki. Not enough fire power as he once told Luffy; That’s what he excels at.

Cracker has DF skill, High Defense, Good Haki, Good offense from main body to clones unlike Doffy..but he has weak endurance

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Luffy got somewhat cornered against cracker , if not for nami rain luffy was in trouble
Cracker was also strong enough to actually harm luffy in gear 4
Doflamingo wasn’t able to do the same

and my original point , both are YC3 and are WAY stronger than perospero , as is jack
Perospero hasn’t yet shown anything close to their class
but that doesn’t make him weak , they’re younger but much more dangerous pirates

remember he also mass produced soldiers who were giving g4 luffy issues , CRACKER is a monster , pero ain’t close

not even sure perospero can defeat one of crackers soldier that gave g4 luffy trouble , luffy easily broke through his ultimate Iron Maiden in base form

Cracker cut g4 luffy meanwhile doffy

And remember luffy had gotten stronger after his fight with doflamingo

Also saying cracker DF is weak when perospero DF is just candy , there’s nothing that shows perospero has superiority

my point stands though , all the YC3 we’ve seen so far have demonstrated much higher power than perospero, that doesn’t mean he’s weak or not a smart beast but there’s still levels , he hasn’t shown being any close to being a YC1 unless he has a secret trump card mode he hasn’t revealed but so far he’s not in YC1-3 class

 

[GL_Nova]

I would argue we have no reason to assume he’s weaker than Cracker, and no anecdotal evidence to point towards it either. Questioning how he’d handle Katakuri feel accurate, but your on your own with that comparison.

 

[M3J]

Perospero is not YC1 level he wants to be leade of big mum pirates because he’s the smartest not causes the strongest
He’s not comparable to cracker or doflamingo talk less of katakuri or king
He was getting tensioned by 2 suulong minks while jack defeated 10s if not 100s
He’s getting way way overhyped

I don't think it's fair to compare because each fighter has their own strengths and weaknesses. Katakuri might not be as strong but he's still more likely to win thanks to Future Sight. Likewise, Perospero could beat Jack because of his unique take on his fruit power.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

There’s nothing to assume that an officer is stronger than a sweet commander
Perospero ranks is an equivalent of the flying 6
The sweet commander are regarded as the 3 strongest fighters
He’s smart as hell and strong so why wasn’t he promoted to a higher rank when smack got defeated
He’s recognized as a monster but so are oven and daifuku, who while strong aren’t sweet commander level either
I’m not saying he’s not strong
But suddenly saying he’s as strong as a YC1 when there’s literally no proof in any feats from his rank , or bounty
I’m not saying he’s not strong but nothing he’s done suggests he’s even stronger than a YC3
Cause no one has brought up a way from him to defeat doflamingo or cracker , 2 YC3 combatants

 

[XXGenesis]

The highest ranked officers of a Yonkou group is safe to say they are YC4.

YC seats seemingly ranged from 1-5 via WBP. That just adds extra tiers that aren’t necessary.
Only 4 commanders matter for WBP the rest are VC4lv or officer.

Big Mom’s Officers are some of her oldest children. 1st Born Prespero 2nd Born Compante?? To lazy to look it up then there’s Oven & Daifuku.......Most of her top officers seem interchangeable with Snack, but they are not stronger than Cracker.

Kaidou’s Officers are his Supernova Headliners & Tobi Roppo. XDrake, Ulti, Who’s Who, Apoo & Hawkins; Only a few stand a fighting chance against YC3 like Snack or Jack.

 

[albertwv]

I dont believe Perospero is YC1 level or maybe even YC3, hes more of a YC4 or YE (Yonko Executive) like the Flying6, Oven, Daifuku, Unimportant WB Commanders, Unnamed Red Haired Pirates shown at MF, etc.

Doffy I rank him equal to Cracker because it is hard to see who wins eventually, but I have money on Cracker. Also, Jozu > Doffy, Idc that Doffy was able to temporarily stop Jozu with his strings, that doesnt automatically make him stronger. Plus Jozu was fearless in front of both Mihawk and Aokiji, Aokiji who Doffy preferred not to fight. Not saying Jozu > Aokiji, but take in account what I just stated.

Killer I find it hard to believe he is YC3 level, I dont see him beating Jack.

Kid and Law, as I stated before and will keep stating until proven otherwise, I dont think they are above YC1s like Marcos, King, or Katakuri. Theyre fight on the rooftop or current match ups vs BM, proves little that they can defeat a YC1. Not until we see the full extent of their abilities and damage done to BM can we say Kid and Law > YC1.

 

[thedude]

I’m puzzled when you guys agree with me. Then challenge the same statements posts later.

We are trying to Rank characters by their overall strength. In One Piece and most battle shonen Tiers or a class system works better. Majority of the fans have agreed to a class system mostly referred to by one’s position title via the crew, group or organization...PK, Yonkou/Admiral, YC1-4; Etc

We know King, Katakuri, Dogtooth, Ben Beckman, Zoro, Killer all hold a 1st Mate Position. For those apart of Yonkou crew that means they are 1st Commander position. All characters who are 1st mate aren’t equal.

so ranking them is different from their actual positions.

YC1+
Oden
Rayleigh
Luffy CoC

YC1
Non CoC Luffy
Marco
Ben Beckman
Yassop*

YC2+
Zoro

YC2
Kidd
Law
King
Queen
Katakuri

...but i didn't agree with you. I said, and you can check my words, that just because Katakuri was defeated, it doesn't mean that he was weaker than other VC's who hadn't been fought yet. I did not agree with you (nor was i commenting to you). My words are literally the opposite of what you are saying lol.

I think there will obviously be levels on who is the strongest in the YC1 category. Beckman is my choice for top, then Katakuri maybe. But I don't think there are the clear distinctions you do, which is fine...but don't say I agreed with you only to then change my mind. I didn't.

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I don't think it's fair to compare because each fighter has their own strengths and weaknesses. Katakuri might not be as strong but he's still more likely to win thanks to Future Sight. Likewise, Perospero could beat Jack because of his unique take on his fruit power.

I think Jack tanks Perosperos attacks and wrecks him.

 

[M3J]

Most likely, as Perospero hasn't shown anything that allows him to beat someone who fought against two extremely strong minks for few days straight without rest. Katakuri probably has the best chance only because of Future Sight.

 

[thedude]

Cracker's DF ability seems weak and yet, his ability to create them back to back is significantly superior. Mingo is amongst the most versatile DF users we've seen... He can easily create enough threads to stop, slow and even cut or control the clones... it will be a great matchup but i feel Mingo will win... The argument to send Cracker just cos Luffy defeated him doesn't make him stronger than Mingo.

I think Doflamingo's strings are much more powerful, he could slice through the crackers pretty quick. Of course no battle in OP is that easy or one sided, but I think he wins this one. For all of Cracker's strength, he fought Luffy a whole night and didn't hurt him, just wore him down.

 

[HereNThere]

Luffy straight up said that Cracker's haki was stronger than any one else's he'd faced at that point in time. That was followed through with Cracker piercing Luffy's Gear 4 form, which Doffy couldn't do. So I don't see Doffy's strings slicing through Cracker's biscuits.

Parasite is a threat, but there's nothing stopping Cracker from just, you know, turning his clones back to crumbs.

The way Jack spoke about him and Big Mom's reasoning for sending Cracker, it really doesn't seem like he's YC3 level.

 

[XXGenesis]

...but i didn't agree with you. I said, and you can check my words, that just because Katakuri was defeated, it doesn't mean that he was weaker than other VC's who hadn't been fought yet. I did not agree with you (nor was i commenting to you). My words are literally the opposite of what you are saying lol.

I think there will obviously be levels on who is the strongest in the YC1 category. Beckman is my choice for top, then Katakuri maybe. But I don't think there are the clear distinctions you do, which is fine...but don't say I agreed with you only to then change my mind. I didn't.

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Wait your right you didn’t agree with me. I’m confusing with another member who has a better gauge at power scailing.

Your post is very contradictory. You say Katakuri isn’t weaker than other YC but then say of course there’s a pecking with Beckman on top.....Okkkk

Never did I say there’s a clear distinction.
I’m not ranking Katakuri & King on the same tier as Marco or Ben Beckman. Because of Beckman’s hype & Marco finally showing off his hype.

I think Doflamingo's strings are much more powerful, he could slice through the crackers pretty quick. Of course no battle in OP is that easy or one sided, but I think he wins this one. For all of Cracker's strength, he fought Luffy a whole night and didn't hurt him, just wore him down.

No he can’t. His strings couldn’t slice through G4 Luffy.

Only way Luffy Busted Cracker’s Cracker Doll’s was with his G4.

Cracker unlike Doffy could hurt G4 Luffy with his Haki.

Luffy had the power not the stamina/Endurance in G4 to defeat Cracker; Nami weakening his DF is how Luffy got the win. Doffy may have the stamina/endurance but not the power.

This is why I cannot rate Doffy YC3; There’s a clear difference; no matter how beastly Doffy’s Stamina/Endurance for punishment is. He lacks the firepower. Manipulating others helps via Jozu but won’t settle the fight

 

[LaGOAT]

I thought it was pretty obvious that cracker>DD don’t know why this is an issue. Did is YC3 tier tho

perospero might be YC lvl but he isn’t top 3 YC he might be like snack/ace/izo level

 

[XXGenesis]

Izo and Ace ain’t on the same Lv. Ace is easy YC3. I can see him giving Kuzan a difficult time due to the nature of their DF

 

[Sachsenhesse]

I can see him giving Kuzan a difficult time due to the nature of their DF

So only with an DF advantage he is on that level?

 

[hokageji]

Luffy straight up said that Cracker's haki was stronger than any one else's he'd faced at that point in time. That was followed through with Cracker piercing Luffy's Gear 4 form, which Doffy couldn't do. So I don't see Doffy's strings slicing through Cracker's biscuits.

Parasite is a threat, but there's nothing stopping Cracker from just, you know, turning his clones back to crumbs.

The way Jack spoke about him and Big Mom's reasoning for sending Cracker, it really doesn't seem like he's YC3 level.

I think the way Mingo uses his strings makes him so versatile, he can be both a long range and short range fighter. He cna easily distance himself to gain better defense against Cracker. Plus we know he could use awakening, not sure if Cracker could...

You do make a fair point regarding Cracker, i will agree that he's higher than YC3 level, whatever that definition is. He's definitely a challenge to fight but if we compare power levels like Zoro does, Cracker would be worth 2000 men and Mingo would be 2300 men... Against each other is hard to pitch in.