One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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7. Law having CoC currently.
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[Fox666]

Agreed, but that doesn't answer why we dont see the top Yonko not using or shown using FS.... We can make the argument that they all do, or atleast one of them does but its an easier bet that CoC coating is still a lot stronger (anad perhaps even less commonplace)... I know BB was the first person to be shown with CoO, but we dont know if he has FS...

It has already been made clear that Big Mom doesn't have future sight

And since Luffy used it to dodge Kaido's super fast attack, it seems he doesn't have it either.

If Whitebeard or the Admirals had it, I doubt there wouldn't be a clear example of it being used by now...

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Katakuri hits less hard than current luffy
Why do people forget how much stronger luffy and his opponents get from arc to arc
Kaido would destroy katakuri really really fast

 

[kkck]

I like the Flying 6, but they really didn't get a good opportunity to pop off and show their strength against non Strawhat opponents. Like, Ashura probably could've went against one of them instead of against Jack.

I'm also hoping there is a part two to the fights, so to speak, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

The issue here to me remains that we were never shown anything that would really evidence the topo robi being capable of holding their own against their homologues from other crews. And in turn their matchups so far are lackluster. Page one got owned left and right without even putting up much of a fight, ulti got treated a tad better but she didn't get a good treatment, sasaki and black maria got matched up with franky and robin who have never really evidenced being yonko officer strong. WW who low diff by jinbe. Drake was never loyal to kaido. So they all come off as pretty worthless. Specially sasaki and soon enough BM. With the development franky and robin have, them defeating someone just comes off as their opponents not being all that. Because franky and robin haven't had any meaningful development in a decade. I suppose at least franky will have to build a new shogun franky going forward.

 

[albertwv]

The issue here to me remains that we were never shown anything that would really evidence the topo robi being capable of holding their own against their homologues from other crews. And in turn their matchups so far are lackluster. Page one got owned left and right without even putting up much of a fight, ulti got treated a tad better but she didn't get a good treatment, sasaki and black maria got matched up with franky and robin who have never really evidenced being yonko officer strong. WW who low diff by jinbe. Drake was never loyal to kaido. So they all come off as pretty worthless. Specially sasaki and soon enough BM. With the development franky and robin have, them defeating someone just comes off as their opponents not being all that. Because franky and robin haven't had any meaningful development in a decade. I suppose at least franky will have to build a new shogun franky going forward.

Unfortunately you are right. I mistakenly saw this Onigashima arc as Enies Lobby, with so many similiarities.
First, SHs go to another island for the final battle, Then, the enemies are all Zoan just like CP9, Third, its a massive raid on the enemys strong hold, Fourth, all SHs are present so we are expecting fierce match ups we havent seen in over a decade or more, maybe since TB arc.
When we first saw Page One, he looked fierce and ferocious, now he is a punching bag. Same with almost the rest of the F6.
I was expecting a fierce battle that pushes the SHs to their very limits when fighting the F6, just like back in Enies Lobby.

 

[hokageji]

i think Ulti is the most interesting of the flying six so far... She's survived multiple thunderball tempo's, attacks from Mama and fought Luffy as well...I think the manga has skimmed through a lot of Sasaki and WHo's Who's fights, so that makes it a bit unimpressive, but i will wait for the manga to expand upon this further.
For now, Who's Who managed to penetrate Jinbei's hakiclad skin, Sasaki managed to destroy General Franky, the rest of the bits dont do enough to justify their strengths... Even headliners like Apoo seem to be a lot stronger.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Team - Current Strawhats Vs Original Shichibukai with Blackbeard replacing Jinbei

Inspired by @john ellis . I think this would have a much more interesting match up. I'm adding Yamato to the Straw as I think it is inevitable that she will join. Also Blackbeard is taking Jinbei's place Luffy(Gears+ Advanced CoC,CoO, And CoA) Zoro(Enma) Sanji(Raid Suit) Jinbei Yamato(Mythical...

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[Ramen]

The Flying 6 have not been living up to their hype. At first, they were introduced as combatants who could be strong enough to replace one of the all-stars and they seemed pretty confident they could as well.

Spoiler

But now they're going down easily. Had a lot more hope for them.

 

[Fox666]

The Flying Six are not equal

Their power is conveniently below their respective opponents

If this was the Ennies Lobby arc, Black Maria would have a Douriki of 600 while Who's Who is 2,000

But I'm sure Drake, Who's Who or Ulti could fight the All-Stars

And if Sanji can fight Queen, then that means Page One is also close to the level of the All-Stars

That leaves only Black Maria and Sasaki... which happen to be weaker because the plot requires Robin and Franky to defeat them

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

The Flying 6 have not been living up to their hype. At first, they were introduced as combatants who could be strong enough to replace one of the all-stars and they seemed pretty confident they could as well.

Spoiler

But now they're going down easily. Had a lot more hope for them.

It's a theme with all of the beast pirate members whether All Star, Tobi Roppo, or Headliner. They overestimate themselves too much. It's the Kaido factor at work here

 

[TheSadFed]

I write this here coz i dunno know where to talk about this.

Jinbei latest 2/3 attacks were imbued with haoshoku haki?
Just asking!

 

[HereNThere]

Jinbei latest 2/3 attacks were imbued with haoshoku haki?

Nah. Fishman Karate basically allows one to manipulate all sorts of water, including the water in the atmosphere and body. So, he's basically attacking the interior of the body by "shaking up" the water in his opponent's body. Regular Armament Haki, as usual, seemingly strengthed the effect of his punch.

 

[XXGenesis]

Wano has its highlight moments; & many downsides. I personally would have liked more drawn out fights, similar to alabasta; but there’s too much going on with Wano &!during Wano. For Oda to have long fights for every Strawhat….

The suspended belief on the other SH being able not to just keep up but defeat the Flying 6, isn’t that bad but it makes Kaido’s mid lv fighters look weak.

 

[kkck]

The Flying 6 have not been living up to their hype. At first, they were introduced as combatants who could be strong enough to replace one of the all-stars and they seemed pretty confident they could as well.

Spoiler

But now they're going down easily. Had a lot more hope for them.

Yeah, they just don't seem threatening at all tbh. Overall they seem specially lackluster compared to WB's commanders Big mom's stronger executives (snack, perospero, oven, daifuku, compote...). Even BB's crew at marineford seemed more threatening. Kaido's topo robi seem like they would be a better fit to fight big mom's fighters and rooks than her main children. Overall I suppose the upside is that this topo robi nonsense is done with. Hopefully the calamities put up more of a fight and live up to their hype.

 

[Core D. Roy]

If Whitebeard or the Admirals had it, I doubt there wouldn't be a clear example of it being used by now...

It wasn't directly spelled out at the time, but the way Akainu and Aokiji both used their logia to avoid haki based attacks was pretty much exactly what Katakuri would do later on.

 

[kkck]

Regarding big mom and future sight... There is another scenario we could consider: She could potentially be capable of it but given how unhinged she is and the technique's requirement of being calm then it's possible that she normally does not have the right state of mind for it.

 

[john ellis]

i don;'t think who's who got low diffed by jinbei. He was forced to use an "ultimate fishman karate" techique and looked to be atleast mid-high in terms of the damage he suffered. Not sure you can call being forced to use a named attack and taken damage as low dif. It's surely atleast high dif. The only time i would consider it low diffing if is it 1 shots the opponent. Like big mom low-mid ulti when she used that named attack on her and kinda one shot her. Since it wasn't really a true one shot i'm not sure you could give it entirely low dif. But a yonko being forced to use multiple named attacks is probably mid dif universe wise.

 

[Fox666]

It wasn't directly spelled out at the time, but the way Akainu and Aokiji both used their logia to avoid haki based attacks was pretty much exactly what Katakuri would do later on.

Not really

Whitebeard was right in front of Aokiji, so he could have simple dodged it with his Logia ability

In Akainu's case, there's a impact effect from Marco's attack, and the sound effect also indicates Marco and Vista made contact with Akainu's body. One theory of how Akainu survived this is that his Haki was much greater to Marco or Vista.

 

[Nie Li]

Not really

Whitebeard was right in front of Aokiji, so he could have simple dodged it with his Logia ability

In Akainu's case, there's a impact effect from Marco's attack, and the sound effect also indicates Marco and Vista made contact with Akainu's body. One theory of how Akainu survived this is that his Haki was much greater to Marco or Vista.

But it he had stopped their attacks with a harder CoA than theirs, why would his logia body deform? It makes more sense that he dodged despite the sound effects.

 

[Fox666]

But it he had stopped their attacks with a harder CoA than theirs, why would his logia body deform? It makes more sense that he dodged despite the sound effects.

But Marco did make contact with Akainu:

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[McNuss]

Not really

Whitebeard was right in front of Aokiji, so he could have simple dodged it with his Logia ability

In Akainu's case, there's a impact effect from Marco's attack, and the sound effect also indicates Marco and Vista made contact with Akainu's body. One theory of how Akainu survived this is that his Haki was much greater to Marco or Vista.

I think this is overinterpretation. There is really no need to introduce another system on top of the one Katakuri explained and showcased.

In general Haki discussions lead nowhere.