One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Lord Traffy Law]

Roger was at his strongest point in his journey when he fought and defetaed the Rocks Pirates.

I don’t think that’s clear
He was 53 time of death ( 22 years ago to current timeline )
God valley incident was when he was 35 ( ironically similar situation to kaido age when he faces oden ) ( 38 years ago )
he had spent less time as a pirate , he became one when he was 25, than when kaido actually was when he faced oden ( around 15/20~ years already )

then again the god valley incident is interesting cause just the pair of roger and harp defeating xebec, wb , shiki , Linlin and more ? Unless more happened than we didn’t see? But on face value I don’t think there’s anything luffy could do to match that feat wise

 

[hokageji]

i read somewhere that Oden was the worlds strongest swordsmen when he fared the seas... and we know Mihawk was a pirate back then, atleast a rookie when Roger died.
So Oden remained unchallenged as a swordsmen. His disappearance probably meant the title would transfer to Mihawk or Shanks, and with Shanks losing his arm (and possibly his better arm) means Mihawk became worthy of that title.

Now in relation to Zoro, perhaps his achievements here will outdo Oden's making him a strong contender for the title. So a Zoro vs Mihawk, or Mihawk vs Shilew and eventually Zoro vs Shilew is a possibility.

 

[albertwv]

There was never any doubt in mind that Zolo vs King and Sanji vs Queen

 

[M3J]

Lot of people thought Sanji was too weak to fight Queen.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Lot of people thought Sanji was too weak to fight Queen.

Those people were wrong and didn't see the obvious

 

[albertwv]

Lot of people thought Sanji was too weak to fight Queen.

I was on the fence on that one. One thing I always assumed Zolo and Sanji would fight the 2nd and 3rd strongest of the villains top crew. So yeah I was rooting for Sanji to fight Queen, unlike Moe who thought Sanji vs King was going to happen (LOL).
Although, I did think Sanji was still a little weak too fight Queen. We had seen him fight Page One but it seemed like a tie, IDK why Oda never focused too much on the conclusion of their duel, we had to guess on the winner. While it did show Sanji perfectly fine, no Page One around, and Drake chasing after Sanji, we still didnt get a conclusion of the duel. Heck we still dont know exactly what happened, but we can infer P1 lost to Sanji. Getting to my point, if Sanji seemed to have struggled agaisnt Page 1, I assumed his next opponent would be another Flying 6 member like Whos Who or fight off Jack the weakest of the Calamities.
But after seeing the match ups it became more clear Sanji vs Queen.

Now I hope Oda does not disappoint us and show us the mighty strength of Ancient Zoans as Yonko Commanders. Especially Kings. Seeing how much Luffy struggled in G4 agaisnt Cracker and Katakuri, how much Dog and Cat struggled agaisnt Jack, then we should be expecting fierce battles that keeps pushing Zolo and Sanji to their limit and more.

 

[Pirate Queen]

To be fair. Moe thought Sanji would fight Queen up until Zoro went up to the roof to fight Kaido. Only then did he switch up to Sanji vs King.

Or maybe it was Sanji's and King's first clash. Either way he was given some sort of context that lead to his change of opinion

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 20, 2021, Original Post Date: Aug 20, 2021 ---

But before that Moe hyped up Queen to be stronger than King. Kinda like how Zoro fans are hyping up King now

 

[M3J]

I was on the fence on that one. One thing I always assumed Zolo and Sanji would fight the 2nd and 3rd strongest of the villains top crew. So yeah I was rooting for Sanji to fight Queen, unlike Moe who thought Sanji vs King was going to happen (LOL).
Although, I did think Sanji was still a little weak too fight Queen. We had seen him fight Page One but it seemed like a tie, IDK why Oda never focused too much on the conclusion of their duel, we had to guess on the winner. While it did show Sanji perfectly fine, no Page One around, and Drake chasing after Sanji, we still didnt get a conclusion of the duel. Heck we still dont know exactly what happened, but we can infer P1 lost to Sanji. Getting to my point, if Sanji seemed to have struggled agaisnt Page 1, I assumed his next opponent would be another Flying 6 member like Whos Who or fight off Jack the weakest of the Calamities.
But after seeing the match ups it became more clear Sanji vs Queen.

Now I hope Oda does not disappoint us and show us the mighty strength of Ancient Zoans as Yonko Commanders. Especially Kings. Seeing how much Luffy struggled in G4 agaisnt Cracker and Katakuri, how much Dog and Cat struggled agaisnt Jack, then we should be expecting fierce battles that keeps pushing Zolo and Sanji to their limit and more.

Same, I thought it'd be either Queen or Jack, but one of those two if LUffy fought Kaidou. I expected Zoro to fight King or Queen as well, while the Supernova captains took on Kaidou.

To be fair though, most Straw Hats struggle against their opponents even early on. Luffy struggled against Blueno and got sent flying by Lucci before that, so that's no indication.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I was on the fence on that one. One thing I always assumed Zolo and Sanji would fight the 2nd and 3rd strongest of the villains top crew. So yeah I was rooting for Sanji to fight Queen, unlike Moe who thought Sanji vs King was going to happen (LOL).
Although, I did think Sanji was still a little weak too fight Queen. We had seen him fight Page One but it seemed like a tie, IDK why Oda never focused too much on the conclusion of their duel, we had to guess on the winner. While it did show Sanji perfectly fine, no Page One around, and Drake chasing after Sanji, we still didnt get a conclusion of the duel. Heck we still dont know exactly what happened, but we can infer P1 lost to Sanji. Getting to my point, if Sanji seemed to have struggled agaisnt Page 1, I assumed his next opponent would be another Flying 6 member like Whos Who or fight off Jack the weakest of the Calamities.
But after seeing the match ups it became more clear Sanji vs Queen.

Now I hope Oda does not disappoint us and show us the mighty strength of Ancient Zoans as Yonko Commanders. Especially Kings. Seeing how much Luffy struggled in G4 agaisnt Cracker and Katakuri, how much Dog and Cat struggled agaisnt Jack, then we should be expecting fierce battles that keeps pushing Zolo and Sanji to their limit and more.

Notning from the manga panels made it seem like a draw
Sanji wasn’t so exactly interested in winning and more in testing the raid suit out and containing page one

 

[AmitDS]

Those people were wrong and didn't see the obvious

When are they not wrong?

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2021, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2021 ---

On a side note, it's clear, based on how things are shaping up, that Sanji and Zoro are on their way to being YC1 leveled as they're fighting King & Queen who are rivals and Kaido's top 2. As they've pointed out, as Luffy's 'wings', them defeating Kaido's top 2 is crucial for Luffy's PK dream which is what we all (most of us) knew.

 

[afromarco005]

The biggest cap in One Piece

"The Flying 6 are the reason the Beast Pirates are so feared" - Sasaki

Sasaki had a high opinion of himself, heck he even thinks he can take on an allstar

 

[Franckie]

I hope the current chapter finally kills the idea of Marco being Yonkou-level.

 

[AmitDS]

I hope the current chapter finally kills the idea of Marco being Yonkou-level.

That idea was killed long ago

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

Sasaki had a high opinion of himself, heck he even thinks he can take on an allstar

Sasaki is the most boring and most forgettable amongs the Flying Six. Drake and Who's Who are plot relevant, Ulti and Page One have their gimmick, and Black Maria was the one who made Sanji looked pathetic. Sasaki is... just there.

 

[M3J]

I hope the current chapter finally kills the idea of Marco being Yonkou-level.

Whitebeard Pirate Remnants killed that idea of Marco being Yonkou-level, honestly. People just think he was because of the Gorosei and because his fruit allows him to take damages.

 

[LaGOAT]

Marco>king and katakuri
Marco might be admiral lvl tho

 

[Rmstorm]

I don’t think that’s clear
He was 53 time of death ( 22 years ago to current timeline )
God valley incident was when he was 35 ( ironically similar situation to kaido age when he faces oden ) ( 38 years ago )
he had spent less time as a pirate , he became one when he was 25, than when kaido actually was when he faced oden ( around 15/20~ years already )

then again the god valley incident is interesting cause just the pair of roger and harp defeating xebec, wb , shiki , Linlin and more ? Unless more happened than we didn’t see? But on face value I don’t think there’s anything luffy could do to match that feat wise

God Valley happened 38 years ago, and Roger was age 39 during God Valley, Shanks current age. He was right in his Prime.
He is 1 year younger than Garp.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Whitebeard Pirate Remnants killed that idea of Marco being Yonkou-level, honestly. People just think he was because of the Gorosei and because his fruit allows him to take damages.

Never thought Marco was yonkou level but he does appear stronger than the average YC1 and at the weak side of admiral level imo or more around the space between a YC1 and pre timeskip admiral

Marco>king and katakuri
Marco might be admiral lvl tho

Marco doesn’t have a destructive ability to keep up imo
He can defend and stall high tier folks
But I can’t see him being able to defeat the likes of akainu, kizaru , Kuzan or prime sengoku or garp
Remember just garp and sengoku were able to stall/tie Blackbeard pirates all by themselves ( if they had actively gone to the field for the war , it’d have been a proper wipeout for the whitebeard pirates and allies )

God Valley happened 38 years ago, and Roger was age 39 during God Valley, Shanks current age. He was right in his Prime.
He is 1 year younger than Garp.

Which again is roughly around the age that oden and kaido squared off with kaido having a been pirate longer at 39 than tiger was at 39

 

[M3J]

Never thought Marco was yonkou level but he does appear stronger than the average YC1 and at the weak side of admiral level imo or more around the space between a YC1 and pre timeskip admiral

Based on what though?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

That idea was killed long ago

He’s clearly not yonkou level but big mum clearly respects his strength a ton
A grab doesn’t mean that much all in all she didn’t defeat him on panel and wanted perospero to do so ,
Luffy been grabbed by harudjin and ulti and was immobilized , doesn’t mean make luffy weaker than them , not saying big mum is not stronger than Marco but getting briefly immobilized means nothing
Marco has carried them a lot support wise in the second

The fact that big mum couldn’t get past him easily in a 1 v 1 is a feat in itself

There’s a reason why Marco got immobilized with sea stone cuffs before getting taken out while the other whitebeard commanders got beat straight up when they faced the admirals

are the rest of yonko more poweful , yes but Marco is still the best of the rest and Probably the strongest YC1
Katakuri seems mad overhyped a tad due to FS