One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Lord Traffy Law]

Luffy wasn't given a bounty of 1.5 billion for defeating two commander

He wiped the floor with the Big Mom Pirates, was the mastermind behind a plan to assassinate Big Mom, and his raid on her territory completely humilhated her

Actually defeating 2 of the sweet commanders was also credited as to how he got increase to

 

[Fox666]

It was part of it too

When it comes to bounties, it's always hard to measure things... the author probably doesn't even think too much about them.

That said... I'm under the impression it's extremely hard to get a bounty in the billions.

When Luffy defeated Doflamingo, his bounty went from 400 to 500 million. In terms of strength alone, defeating Doflamingo would already make someone worth of having a bounty around 1 billion. But instead only Luffy earned a small increment.

So I think that normally, if Luffy defeated Cracker and Katakuri, his bounty would jump to 550 or 600 million.

Katakuri or Marco must have collected dozens of victories over decades, including against commanders from other Emperors, in order to increase their bounties that much.

So Luffy getting a bounty of 1.5 billion all of a sudden was something beyond absurd.

 

[Nie Li]

So, why wouldn't Katakuri stay focused on CoO and remain calm? He could also figure out a way to really hurt Marco as well, as Future Sight would show him what would happen, so he can see if it's worth the risk or not.

Though if he does try to change what he sees, he won't be able to see the new future (like when he flicked a jellybean at Sanji after seeing him dodge the marriage guy's bullet, but was unable to see Sanji dodging him), and Marco could try to use this to his advantage. It even helped Luffy because he was able to stop using Gear 4 before he ran completely out of haki. But other than that, it's hard to think of Katakuri not being calm enough for CoO, unless Marco is more talented than Luffy in pissing people off.

I was going by the assumption that not finding ways of injuring Marco even with future sight and Marco being a veteran from before the great era of piracy may be enough to find ways to make Katakuri lose his patience of his composure, but iirc, he only lost it against Luffy when he was found eating donuts and all that?

I'm still unsure on who of the two would win, but you're right: Katakuri is more likely to win if there's no plot involved.

 

[john ellis]

since the final battles are atleast seemly underway this is my estimation of bounties post wano

Luffy 1.5b > 4.2-4.7b the leader of a raid that defeated a 2 yonko alliance directly defeating 1 yonko.
kid 470k > 3-3.5b for being a leading member of a raid that defeated 2 yonko, directly "atleast" forcing big mom to retreat paired with law
law 500k > 3.3-3.5b "as above"
Zoro 320k > 1-2bil for defeating king, being the wings of luffy, higher if he kills kaido. Also for being revealed as a CoC
Sanji 330k> 1-1.5b for defeating queen less then zoro's. Higher still lower then zoro's if Coc
Yamato ?? > 1 billion for being the child of kaido, and opening clashing with him
Killer 200k > 700-1bil um.....??? because kid needs to not suck.
jinbei 400k > 800-900k for defeating who's who, joining Luffy's crew as a former warlord
Ussop 200k > 600k for defeating 2 flying six members and "revealed" to have CoC... yes
robin 130k > 700k defeating a flying six and being able to read ponegylphs and supporting a "yonko"
nami 66k > 400k for defeating a flying six member
Franky 94> 550k for beating a flying six member
chopper 100 > 100k for being the pet of a yonko

total straw hat bounty 11-12b~

before people give me shit for giving me yamato a 1 billion bounty. this is likely their first bounty. A first bounty of 1 billion is insanely high.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I was going by the assumption that not finding ways of injuring Marco even with future sight and Marco being a veteran from before the great era of piracy may be enough to find ways to make Katakuri lose his patience of his composure, but iirc, he only lost it against Luffy when he was found eating donuts and all that?

I'm still unsure on who of the two would win, but you're right: Katakuri is more likely to win if there's no plot involved.

He started losing composure before the donuts. IIRC he got annoyed at Luffy avoiding his attacks and that's when Luffy kicked him.

 

[kkck]

since the final battles are atleast seemly underway this is my estimation of bounties post wano

Luffy 1.5b > 4.2-4.7b the leader of a raid that defeated a 2 yonko alliance directly defeating 1 yonko.
kid 470k > 3-3.5b for being a leading member of a raid that defeated 2 yonko, directly "atleast" forcing big mom to retreat paired with law
law 500k > 3.3-3.5b "as above"
Zoro 320k > 1-2bil for defeating king, being the wings of luffy, higher if he kills kaido. Also for being revealed as a CoC
Sanji 330k> 1-1.5b for defeating queen less then zoro's. Higher still lower then zoro's if Coc
Yamato ?? > 1 billion for being the child of kaido, and opening clashing with him
Killer 200k > 700-1bil um.....??? because kid needs to not suck.
jinbei 400k > 800-900k for defeating who's who, joining Luffy's crew as a former warlord
Ussop 200k > 600k for defeating 2 flying six members and "revealed" to have CoC... yes
robin 130k > 700k defeating a flying six and being able to read ponegylphs and supporting a "yonko"
nami 66k > 400k for defeating a flying six member
Franky 94> 550k for beating a flying six member
chopper 100 > 100k for being the pet of a yonko

total straw hat bounty 11-12b~

before people give me shit for giving me yamato a 1 billion bounty. this is likely their first bounty. A first bounty of 1 billion is insanely high.

I don't think the WG would be so generous handing out so many 300 mil+ bounties to the strawhats. Even in big mom's crew you have top officers who only make it to 300 mil and that after decades worth of piracy. For luffy, zoro, sanji, kidd and law all bets are off to some extent though. I don't expect 1.5 billion bounties for zoro and sanji. Top 3 yonko commanders have so far been between 1.3 an 0.87 billion iirc. Even Marco didn't get 1.5 billion. For the rest of the strawhats I would expect more or less flat increases. Say, an extra 150-200 mil for everyone.

WIth luffy all bets are off since he is being set up to basically solo kaido (though it has been a bit of a battle of attrition as usual) but it feels weird that the WG would basically triple his bounty. It's completely plausible that they give him a bounty higher than kaido's but realistically speaking anything around 2.5 billion would seem adequate to me.

With law and kidd it really depends on whether they defeat big mom or not. If they win then it's feasible the WG would give them past 1.5 or even 2. Though even BB has 2.2 billion as an actual yonko who screwed over everyone at the great war so I don't see the WG being 3 billion generous.

 

[john ellis]

I don't think the WG would be so generous handing out so many 300 mil+ bounties to the strawhats. Even in big mom's crew you have top officers who only make it to 300 mil and that after decades worth of piracy. For luffy, zoro, sanji, kidd and law all bets are off to some extent though. I don't expect 1.5 billion bounties for zoro and sanji. Top 3 yonko commanders have so far been between 1.3 an 0.87 billion iirc. Even Marco didn't get 1.5 billion. For the rest of the strawhats I would expect more or less flat increases. Say, an extra 150-200 mil for everyone.

WIth luffy all bets are off since he is being set up to basically solo kaido (though it has been a bit of a battle of attrition as usual) but it feels weird that the WG would basically triple his bounty. It's completely plausible that they give him a bounty higher than kaido's but realistically speaking anything around 2.5 billion would seem adequate to me.

With law and kidd it really depends on whether they defeat big mom or not. If they win then it's feasible the WG would give them past 1.5 or even 2. Though even BB has 2.2 billion as an actual yonko who screwed over everyone at the great war so I don't see the WG being 3 billion generous.

i don't think time matters when luffy is defeating a yonko after a mere 2 years at sea. Like how many years were the yonko on the sea's before they reach yonko status. A crew to raise from the weakest sea and defeat not only 1 yonko but an alliance of 2? thats worth handling out those bounties. If anything it's probably a reason why they deserve such high bounties is how much they have achieved in so little time. Like it's unheard of right?

also what did blackbeard really do at Marineford? he screwed everyone over but he didn't really beat WB by himself, nor did his crew. He won the battle for sure without fighting but it wasn't really a display of strength he then defeated the remaning WB pirates which is a feat worthy of 2.2-3 billion but i think taking down a 2 yonko alliance and directly tag teaming with someone to defeat a yonko is actually bigger then what BB actually did. Like BB didn't really do a whole lot to get his bounty. Besides stealing everyone else's work.

Also luffy's crew is much smaller then BM's so the average bounty should be way higher. it's perfectly reasoanble for BM's large crew and spending so long on the sea to slowly built upo a bounty. But what luffy did basically trivializes her effort. He did it with probably 1/100 of the size of her crew and 1/10th the time.

Also not trying to hate on BM, but basically luffy becoming yonko status in 2 years shits on any yonko's efforts, like all of them were on the sea's for 10-20 years at the least. Like imagine the world view, a rookie of 2 years is now a yonko like when has this happened?

 

[Fox666]

Ooof these bounties are too exaggerated

Luffy's is the hardest to predict, since the author can pull any number for the purpose of the plot. But Blackbeard is already an Emperor, and is only 2.2 billion. I find it hard to believe Luffy would get more than that.

And there's no way Zoro and Sanji are getting a bounty over 1 billion.

Luffy got a bounty of 1.5 billion after he defeated 2 commanders, tried to assassinate Big Mom, completely humilhated her, and was discovered to command a fleet with 5,000 men.

It would make more sense for them to get a bounty of 500 million like Luffy after he defeated Doflamingo.

 

[Nie Li]

Ooof these bounties are too exaggerated

Luffy's is the hardest to predict, since the author can pull any number for the purpose of the plot. But Blackbeard is already an Emperor, and is only 2.2 billion. I find it hard to believe Luffy would get more than that.

And there's no way Zoro and Sanji are getting a bounty over 1 billion.

Luffy got a bounty of 1.5 billion after he defeated 2 commanders, tried to assassinate Big Mom, completely humilhated her, and was discovered to command a fleet with 5,000 men.

It would make more sense for them to get a bounty of 500 million like Luffy after he defeated Doflamingo.

Defeating Doflamingo isn't as impressive as taking down Kaido's strongest assets and taking direct part on toppling a Yonkou, on top of reminding everyone that they're the strongest subordinates of Luffy, and CP0 is watching everything, so I'm gonna jump on the wagon of the 1 billion+ bounty for both of them.

 

[kkck]

Ooof these bounties are too exaggerated

Luffy's is the hardest to predict, since the author can pull any number for the purpose of the plot. But Blackbeard is already an Emperor, and is only 2.2 billion. I find it hard to believe Luffy would get more than that.

And there's no way Zoro and Sanji are getting a bounty over 1 billion.

Luffy got a bounty of 1.5 billion after he defeated 2 commanders, tried to assassinate Big Mom, completely humilhated her, and was discovered to command a fleet with 5,000 men.

It would make more sense for them to get a bounty of 500 million like Luffy after he defeated Doflamingo.

Welp, zoro and sanji already have bounties over 300 million which is supposed to be pretty damn difficult to begin with. Add to that, at least to the world it will definitely appear that luffy and his crew are every bit as dangerous as the mightiest yonko after this. Given that luffy will have defeated kaido and his subordinates would have consistently trashed kaido's executives. Even if you lowball this the lowest bounty we have seen on a top 3 yonko commander is cracker at 860 million iirc. Pirates who are currently worth around 300 mil getting bounties around the 1000 billion mark after having defeated two people at the 1.3 billion mark sounds about fair while also being subordinates to someone who bested a yonko sounds about fair. Though sure, oda could give them something like 800 mil each. Less than that for king and queen's head sounds plain unfair tbh.

 

[john ellis]

Ooof these bounties are too exaggerated

Luffy's is the hardest to predict, since the author can pull any number for the purpose of the plot. But Blackbeard is already an Emperor, and is only 2.2 billion. I find it hard to believe Luffy would get more than that.

And there's no way Zoro and Sanji are getting a bounty over 1 billion.

Luffy got a bounty of 1.5 billion after he defeated 2 commanders, tried to assassinate Big Mom, completely humilhated her, and was discovered to command a fleet with 5,000 men.

It would make more sense for them to get a bounty of 500 million like Luffy after he defeated Doflamingo.

the thing is zoro and sanji don't need to do as much as luffy to get a 1.5 billion bounty. The thing is luffy is the captain he has to put more effort into getting his bounty increased. Just by being the right hand and left hand of luffy who will virutally be a yonko at the end of this arc and defeating other 1st and 2nd yonko commanders is worth a 1-2bil bounty.

i do admit law;'s and kid's bounty is possibly high but you need to keep them revelent. i also suspect BB will do something during wano and get his bounty increased to maybe 5bil+ so law's and kid's 3bil bounty doesn't seem too extreme. We know BB wants to grab something dangerous. and BB surpassing WB's bounty would be something that should happen close to end game which were at. So maybe BB does some bs and somehow gets his hands on an acient weapon via plot bs. This would give him a reason to get a high bounty like BB bounty kinda needs to be higher then luffy's

 

[M3J]

Ooof these bounties are too exaggerated

Luffy's is the hardest to predict, since the author can pull any number for the purpose of the plot. But Blackbeard is already an Emperor, and is only 2.2 billion. I find it hard to believe Luffy would get more than that.

And there's no way Zoro and Sanji are getting a bounty over 1 billion.

Luffy got a bounty of 1.5 billion after he defeated 2 commanders, tried to assassinate Big Mom, completely humilhated her, and was discovered to command a fleet with 5,000 men.

It would make more sense for them to get a bounty of 500 million like Luffy after he defeated Doflamingo.

Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji are getting substantial increases, I think. Blackbeard's heritage is unknown, but his bounty is likely low because he was so lowkey for so long. Luffy however is the son of Dragon who has KIng's haki and ability to create allies even from former enemies, and he's been supremely loud in his actions, from breaking into Impel Down, Marineford, and Enies Lobby and making it out alive. He was also the one to free Ace, get Robin back, willingly go into Impel Down, and challenge the World GOvernment.

And now, he's recently invaded Big Mom's territory and made it out alive and currently fighting Kaidou and will likely beat him. The World Government will be shitting their pants hard because of what Luffy has accomplished in the past two years, which is probably more than what any other pirate has before him, and maybe even Dragon. I think a huge increase would make perfect sense for the danger that Luffy poses in the future, to the WG and status quo. OH, and not to mention the fact that he punched the everloving fuck out of a Tenryuubito with no regrets! My favorite panel in the manga, tbh


Zoro and Sanji just by the virtue of being Luffy's top fighters and right and left hand men will likely get a bounty of at least 700million, especially after beating Yonkou commanders.


Or the WG doesn't want to hype them up and might lowball their bounties.

 

[albertwv]

Reading some of your posts, I think you guys are overestimating some bounties especially Kid's and Law's.
Luffy's bounty raises makes almost no sense, think about it. All the actions he did back during MF war and Impel Down and he only got a raise to 400m, it should have been at least up to 500m.
Then after defeating Doffy he only got up to 500m, nah it should've been way more
Then after defeating 2 YCs and invading BM's territory etc, his bounty triples, like wtf. That was unusually high.

Post Wano my prediction is:
Luffy: 3 billion because, Oda has to double it to 3 billion, kinda going with previous starting with the number 3 bounties (30m and 300m) Worst case/far reaching would be 4.5b to be close to Kaido plus it makes sense 1,5 times 3 = 4.5

Zolo and Sanji: 2 options, since they will defeat bounties at 1.3b then theres should be at least 1.3 or higher. A better/funnier option may be that, Zolo gets an increase to 1b while Sanji up to 999m. Ongoing joke reversed on Sanji, now Zolo will have the high ground and make fun of Sanji that he is not part of the 1b club.

Law and Kid: 3billion?? Youre kidding me thats too huge. If anything they will make the 1b club.

SHs:
Jimbei: maybe 800
everyone else either gets a 100-200m added to theres.

 

[kkck]

Reading some of your posts, I think you guys are overestimating some bounties especially Kid's and Law's.
Luffy's bounty raises makes almost no sense, think about it. All the actions he did back during MF war and Impel Down and he only got a raise to 400m, it should have been at least up to 500m.
Then after defeating Doffy he only got up to 500m, nah it should've been way more
Then after defeating 2 YCs and invading BM's territory etc, his bounty triples, like wtf. That was unusually high.

Post Wano my prediction is:
Luffy: 3 billion because, Oda has to double it to 3 billion, kinda going with previous starting with the number 3 bounties (30m and 300m) Worst case/far reaching would be 4.5b to be close to Kaido plus it makes sense 1,5 times 3 = 4.5

Zolo and Sanji: 2 options, since they will defeat bounties at 1.3b then theres should be at least 1.3 or higher. A better/funnier option may be that, Zolo gets an increase to 1b while Sanji up to 999m. Ongoing joke reversed on Sanji, now Zolo will have the high ground and make fun of Sanji that he is not part of the 1b club.

Law and Kid: 3billion?? Youre kidding me thats too huge. If anything they will make the 1b club.

SHs:
Jimbei: maybe 800
everyone else either gets a 100-200m added to theres.

The context here is that getting bounties above the 300 mil mark is altogether difficult. Add to that luffy getting a 300 mil bounty as a baby pirate basically. And even then he got a raise to 400 million technically before the timeskip. While having pretty much non existent strength by new world standards. In context luffy's 300 million bounty now seems rather desperate... Since the world government gave a weak baby a bounty amount that is usually reserved for the world's most dangerous folk. heck, in big mom's crew we see that even oven and daifuku have 300 mil bounties... And they are among big mom's mightiest subordinates.

Law and kidd will likely be limited bounty wise in that they won't solo a yonko. If they even defeat big mom. It's not the same situation as with luffy who is being set up to solo kaido.

Jinbe defeated whos whos... seems to be right about his alley tbh. I don't think he will necessarily get a bounty increase.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Reading some of your posts, I think you guys are overestimating some bounties especially Kid's and Law's.
Luffy's bounty raises makes almost no sense, think about it. All the actions he did back during MF war and Impel Down and he only got a raise to 400m, it should have been at least up to 500m.
Then after defeating Doffy he only got up to 500m, nah it should've been way more
Then after defeating 2 YCs and invading BM's territory etc, his bounty triples, like wtf. That was unusually high.

Post Wano my prediction is:
Luffy: 3 billion because, Oda has to double it to 3 billion, kinda going with previous starting with the number 3 bounties (30m and 300m) Worst case/far reaching would be 4.5b to be close to Kaido plus it makes sense 1,5 times 3 = 4.5

Zolo and Sanji: 2 options, since they will defeat bounties at 1.3b then theres should be at least 1.3 or higher. A better/funnier option may be that, Zolo gets an increase to 1b while Sanji up to 999m. Ongoing joke reversed on Sanji, now Zolo will have the high ground and make fun of Sanji that he is not part of the 1b club.

Law and Kid: 3billion?? Youre kidding me thats too huge. If anything they will make the 1b club.

SHs:
Jimbei: maybe 800
everyone else either gets a 100-200m added to theres.

Luffy and law got co credit for defeating doflamingo
Doflamingo might be the most influential and poweful pirate who isn’t a yonkou ( celestial dragon + ally of kaido + joker the ultimate broker of the underworld + actual strong fighter )

 

[john ellis]

Reading some of your posts, I think you guys are overestimating some bounties especially Kid's and Law's.
Luffy's bounty raises makes almost no sense, think about it. All the actions he did back during MF war and Impel Down and he only got a raise to 400m, it should have been at least up to 500m.
Then after defeating Doffy he only got up to 500m, nah it should've been way more
Then after defeating 2 YCs and invading BM's territory etc, his bounty triples, like wtf. That was unusually high.

Post Wano my prediction is:
Luffy: 3 billion because, Oda has to double it to 3 billion, kinda going with previous starting with the number 3 bounties (30m and 300m) Worst case/far reaching would be 4.5b to be close to Kaido plus it makes sense 1,5 times 3 = 4.5

Zolo and Sanji: 2 options, since they will defeat bounties at 1.3b then theres should be at least 1.3 or higher. A better/funnier option may be that, Zolo gets an increase to 1b while Sanji up to 999m. Ongoing joke reversed on Sanji, now Zolo will have the high ground and make fun of Sanji that he is not part of the 1b club.

Law and Kid: 3billion?? Youre kidding me thats too huge. If anything they will make the 1b club.

SHs:
Jimbei: maybe 800
everyone else either gets a 100-200m added to theres.

err so bounty inflation is a thing in one piece, Law and Kid need to atleast be 2bil+ if they are to remain relevent story wise. Which i think will happen. Also tag teaming a yonko is better then beating yonko commanders and sanji and Zoro should be in the 1bil club after wano. So.... law and kid should be above the 1 bil club. Which puts them in tha 2-3 range. I think it's more likely to be on the high end

 

[LadyVados]

King = BM confirmed

Using your own "logic," let's play with some bounties:

Marco's is 1.374b
Queen's is 1.32b
King's is now revealed to be 1.39b
BM's is approx. 4.39b

Using purely bounties alone, how'd you reach the conclusion that King = BM? xD (I wonder...Why would you want King to be around Yonkou level...? )

Anyway, applying context to these, we all know the BP's bounties are inflated due to their destructive, chaotic nature, so I would argue that in light of King's bounty reveal, this actually elevates Marco. He has a mere 0.016b (that's 16m) deficit vs. King's and King's is artificially inflated. Couple this with the fact that we've had on-panel clashes between Marco and both King & Queen and you can see that King's "higher" bounty, along with Queen's "close" bounty, in relation to Marco's is not indicative of King's their strength (or rather, superiority to him) lol.

Marco’s is artificially inflated by being a captain and having command of the WB pirates (or at least he used to but bounties don’t get downgraded)

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 4, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 4, 2021 ---

Also tag teaming a yonko is better then beating yonko commanders

I disagree.

Definitely not YC1s at least. Beating a Marco or a King 1v1 is probably a more impressive feat than tag teaming a Yonko. If the Yonko commander was someone like Jack or Cracker than maybe.

 

[AmitDS]

Marco’s is artificially inflated by being a captain and having command of the WB pirates (or at least he used to but bounties don’t get downgraded)

Marco isn't as ruthless as Kaido's crew and has been inactive for app. 2 years in addition to fighting off King and Queen together while exhausted thus eliciting their praise and awe so...

 

[LadyVados]

Marco isn't as ruthless as Kaido's crew and has been inactive for app. 2 years in addition to fighting off King and Queen together while exhausted thus eliciting their praise and awe so...

Why was he exhausted ?

 

[AmitDS]

Why was he exhausted ?

Go read the manga, I'm not going to do your homework for you.