One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
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[LaGOAT]

I agree with you except current Akainu being Yonko level.
Why do people believe that since Akainu was promoted to FA he has grown stronger. Until Oda explicilty states that, I will stand firm that Akainu is still the same level he was in MF.
FA is not necessarily a position of strength. Also most characters when they hit a certain age or time in the story, they do not get a power up unless obviously the author states it or wants them to.

Like I wouldnt believe Lucci had gotten a power up since in most cases, enemies who were defeated once especially major arc villains, they do not return and get stronger, usually. Crocodile was a special deal. But it seems Lucci got stronger since he was able to join CP0 which I believe are the strongest WG agents, right below Admirals.

In a way I do believe that his position of FA does have some type of merit.(my headcanon) Also it’s seems that he fight with aokiji he wasnt damage my hurt compare to aokiji.

Personally I think he unlocked CoC maybe with his fight with aokiji also luffy would fight him some way along the road and right now luffy seen to be damn near close to yonko lvl so in a way he has to been around that lvl but that’s just my headCanon saying that

lucci he probably on who’s who’s lvl since it’s seems that him and lucci were quite equal back in the day. (Maybe not maybe lucci is stronger who knows we just have to wait and see)

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Why bring up Mihawk when he never cared to fight Shanks in the first place? But the Marines would not be able to survive two emperors joining together to take them on, this much I agree on.

But yeah, the Blackbeard pirates were a third force and turned it into Blackbeard pirates vs. Whitebeard pirates and allies vs. Marines.

Though I suppose the main difference is that Shanks wanted peace and to stop fighting, while Blackbeard wanted to continue fighting and was willing to take on anyone.



So am I, and so far none of the emperor has ever made an effort. Says a lot.

Maybe cuz marines has more allies than their yonko crew lol

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

@Lord Traffy Law jozu was off guard and aokiji took advantage of that. 2. Akainu vs wb was a good fight like every1 had said wb was sick but was able to go toe to toe with WB. 3.current akainu is probably yonko lvl anyways I always said I believe he above admiral lvl same with garp and sengoku.
Again although we know that Marco and jozu was able to stallmate an an admiral I don’t think they are on their level.

Aht aht all is fair in love and war , there’s levels to strength , when jozu got aokiji off guard and drew small blood no one was screaming it was unfair because he shrugged it off , aokiji just returned the favor is all

The commanders getting their shot in did nothing to the admirals , when the admirals returned the favour , however put them down , I see it fair
Marco is able to stall Pretty much any yonkou , big mum respect his strength , his fighting abilities and DF makes him a pain in the ass to fight

BB Pirates were not considered or near Yonko level, also it was not a combination of WBP & BBP full force vs the Marines.
Look what happened when Shanks showed up and blocked Akainu. Nobody stepped up not BB, not Sengoku, not Akainu, not even Mihawk.
If it was the start of the war with WB & Shanks leading their crews from the front, Navy HQ would be decimated even Sengoku and Garp would not be able to stop them I believe so.

Yes because the navy had accomplished their goal , another war wasn’t necessary
The navy were in good enough condition to keep fighting but just because you might win doesn’t mean you have to fight
Fighting the Wb remnants + impel down escapees + red hair pirates is still a tall order especially when the preparations was really for just one yonkou
And again for the Blackbeard crew + impel down escapees for me is around half to 80% of a yonkou crew because level 6 Blackbeard recruited were strong as hell

I agree with you except current Akainu being Yonko level.
Why do people believe that since Akainu was promoted to FA he has grown stronger. Until Oda explicilty states that, I will stand firm that Akainu is still the same level he was in MF.
FA is not necessarily a position of strength. Also most characters when they hit a certain age or time in the story, they do not get a power up unless obviously the author states it or wants them to.

Like I wouldnt believe Lucci had gotten a power up since in most cases, enemies who were defeated once especially major arc villains, they do not return and get stronger, usually. Crocodile was a special deal. But it seems Lucci got stronger since he was able to join CP0 which I believe are the strongest WG agents, right below Admirals.

Everyone seems to rank mihawk yonkou level , granted he wasn’t putting his all into it but neither could the admiral cause they were more about defending marineford , but mihawk got held back by vista

granted for me I think jozu Marco and vista are all around what we consider YC1 strong with Marco being YC1+

 

[M3J]

Maybe cuz marines has more allies than their yonko crew lol

I think you're not understanding that I'm trying to say that the emperors can try to get an admiral on their own or isolate an admiral's group. Having more allies won't help if they have no idea what's going on.

 

[XXGenesis]

WB’s plan to infiltrate Marineford was impressive.

His plan to withdraw/Escape that sucked because there was none.
His plan for his allied forces that wanted to save Ace; there was none.

Sengoku, I tip my hat to him. He assembled the Warlords, arrested those who didn’t answer the call *Jimbei.

Used the new Pacifista force to success; Didn’t make sense how so many New World Pirates were sitting ducks on ice but oh well lol.

The walls, to The Admirals combo. The Marines easily played a much much better hand.

Squadro is just stupid, WB if he wasn’t so sick wouldn’t have been hit even by an ally. WB starts to make his move, then catches a heart attack in front of Kizaru & Akainu and is attacked by them and other Marines. WB probably still was the strongest, but it’s hard to see him fight another Yonkou for days and still be able to win. In terms of Offensive power & Haki he’s #1…but his endurance & stamina is too shaky compared to the other Yonkou.

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

WB’s plan to infiltrate Marineford was impressive.

His plan to withdraw/Escape that sucked because there was none.
His plan for his allied forces that wanted to save Ace; there was none.

Did Whitebeard have any plan at all during the war? Other than their entrance via underwater as well as using Oars Jr.'s corpse as a bridge, I don't recall any.

 

[XXGenesis]

Did Whitebeard have any plan at all during the war? Other than their entrance via underwater as well as using Oars Jr.'s corpse as a bridge, I don't recall any.

Maybe I wrote with some bad grammar errors. But I mentioned WB’s only plan was their entrance…….With no other plans what so ever; How Marines actually had multiple strategies, which owned WBP

*I forgot WB intended to die at Marineford anyway; So maybe that’s why but still…

Anywho’s your question your answer is in my last post you quoted.

 

[M3J]

*I forgot WB intended to die at Marineford anyway; So maybe that’s why but still…

He did, but he'd still have a plan in place for his "children" to escape safely.

 

[LadyVados]

Eeer.. When did King beat BM?

When she arrived in Wano.

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Was Luffy unable to damage Kaido partially because of his thick skin/ scales, etc. which make it impossible to damage him without AdCoC ?

If say Shanks or WB was hit by an attack like KKG or Buzz Cut Mochi would it do some serious damage ?

 

[Fallou]

When she arrived in Wano.

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Was Luffy unable to damage Kaido partially because of his thick skin/ scales, etc. which make it impossible to damage him without AdCoC ?

If say Shanks or WB was hit by an attack like KKG or Buzz Cut Mochi would it do some serious damage ?

He never did!
All he did was push her boat back into the sea, they never even made contact.

 

[XXGenesis]

He did, but he'd still have a plan in place for his "children" to escape safely.

But what plan was tha? fight 1 vs Marines. That’s not a plan especially when your sick and battle worn.

 

[M3J]

But what plan was tha? fight 1 vs Marines. That’s not a plan especially when your sick and battle worn.

Separate the island so his men can't help him and get all the Marines' focus on him in trying to kill someone so close to death.

 

[LaGOAT]

Separate the island so his men can't help him and get all the Marines' focus on him in trying to kill someone so close to death.

Again how would that would there are 3 admirals on the island even wb can’t beat then all.

@Lord Traffy Law u till prove my point even more both were caught off guard but when they were fighting when they had there guard on there were roughly equal now I’m not saying jozu=aokiji but I don’t believe a clash shouldn’t prove that that they roughly equal if anything it shows they can tangle

 

[M3J]

Again how would that would there are 3 admirals on the island even wb can’t beat then all.

His intent was to die there, especially to help his crew get away safely. Why would him beating the admirals matter as long as they couldn't get to the pirates?

 

[albertwv]

I know it is fairly difficult to judge just yet, but how strong do you think CP-0 agents are?
THe first 3 we saw in Dressrosa seem pretty strong, stronger than Lucci and Kaku. Honestly I was kinda disappointed that Lucci and Kaku were brought back. Stussy seem weak as well..
CP-0 agents must be at least stronnger than VAs

 

[grey matter]

I know it is fairly difficult to judge just yet, but how strong do you think CP-0 agents are?
THe first 3 we saw in Dressrosa seem pretty strong, stronger than Lucci and Kaku. Honestly I was kinda disappointed that Lucci and Kaku were brought back. Stussy seem weak as well..
CP-0 agents must be at least stronnger than VAs

There should be at least one admiral tier among CP0 IMO, or else they are irrelevant.

Rob Lucci should be strong enough to be a top YC level at this point. He was stated to be a genius, and his loss against Luffy should've motivated him to train his ass off. He's probably a top 3 within CP0

Anyway, hyped for them!

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

There should be at least one admiral tier among CP0 IMO, or else they are irrelevant.

Rob Lucci should be strong enough to be a top YC level at this point. He was stated to be a genius, and his loss against Luffy should've motivated him to train his ass off. He's probably a top 3 within CP0

Anyway, hyped for them!

Not really dudes stronger than jozu Marco and katakuri ?
I think at best we are getting YC1 level dudes

 

[Crimson Ice]

I know it is fairly difficult to judge just yet, but how strong do you think CP-0 agents are?
THe first 3 we saw in Dressrosa seem pretty strong, stronger than Lucci and Kaku. Honestly I was kinda disappointed that Lucci and Kaku were brought back. Stussy seem weak as well..
CP-0 agents must be at least stronnger than VAs

And how did you come to the conclusion that the three in Dressrosa are stronger than Lucci and Kaku?

 

[albertwv]

And how did you come to the conclusion that the three in Dressrosa are stronger than Lucci and Kaku?

Not a conclusion just preference.
Im not a big fan of lucci and kaku returning so Im assuming the 3 are stronger. Also I can only assume they have been in CP0 longer than Lucci, just my guess.
The 3 just seem so mysterious.
I think if they are YC1s or Admiral level, than that would give the WG too much power over the Yonko, meaning the WG would have been able to exterminate the pirates by now. But then again CP0 work directly for the CDs and the CDs probably dont care about the Yonko

Anyways, YC1s seem capable.

 

[grey matter]

Not really dudes stronger than jozu Marco and katakuri ?
I think at best we are getting YC1 level dudes

It's just my prediction, I think Lucci be as strong as King, so yea above Jozu and Katakuri. Why not? Luffy and Zoro already are stronger.
As for Marco, he's close to admiral level IMHO. So no.

But the strongest among CP0 should be comfortably above Marco too, probably will be at least as strong as Akainu

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

It's just my prediction, I think Lucci be as strong as King, so yea above Jozu and Katakuri. Why not? Luffy and Zoro already are stronger.
As for Marco, he's close to admiral level IMHO. So no.

But the strongest among CP0 should be comfortably above Marco too, probably will be at least as strong as Akainu

Dudes that strong are rare and few and far between
I think yc4 to yc1 or even YC1+ are the most you’d find