One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[grey matter]

Bro DD isn’t on queen lvl he is YC3 lvl

Maybe. IIRC he had the advantage over Jozou, who was YC3 of Whitebeard pirates and IMO stronger than the other YC3 we've seen so far.

He also need Law + Luffy + many other distractions to be taken down. Plus he has conqueror's haki + awakened devil fruit. I wouldn't be surprised if he's Queen level, but he should be close at least.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I get the logic, but Luffy's growth is far too high compared to the rest. He was also trained by Rayleigh during timeskip. Immediately after timeskip, Luffy was Doflamingo level, which is YC 2 tier. After which, he developed advanced observation haki vs Katakuri, and advanced armament haki as well as coating of conqueror's haki in Wano, and is now probably admiral tier.
Hard to believe Lucci can replicate this growth.

Zoro also had insane growth rate, with being trained by the best swordsman in the verse, and getting Oden's sword. He also probably unknowingly awakened conquereor's haki and coat it by accident in Wano, considering he managed to give a good injury to Kaido.

These two had insane growth during the timeskip, as well as in the arcs since then,

To emphasize how insane their growth was, let's compare Zoro and Sanji pre timeskip and post timeskip
Pre timeskip, Zoro and Sanji were somewhat close, with Zoro strong enough to maybe high diff him.
But post timeskip, the gap between them widened a lot, Only now is Sanji closing the gap again, and for that he needed germa suit + his biology changing due to Judge's shenanigans.

Sanji had good training, but somewhat tame training compared to what Luffy and Zoro had. And it was shown in the wide gap between Zoro and Sanji post timeskip, until Germa suit + Germa biology started kicking in


Lucci was strong enough to be slightly above Luffy pre timeskip. There is no way Lucci trained like Luffy or Zoro did. Assuming a high growth rate, he would be around current Zoro level at best

Bro DD isn’t on queen lvl he is YC3 lvl

Maybe. IIRC he had the advantage over Jozou, who was YC3 of Whitebeard pirates and IMO stronger than the other YC3 we've seen so far.

He also need Law + Luffy + many other distractions to be taken down. Plus he has conqueror's haki + awakened devil fruit. I wouldn't be surprised if he's Queen level, but he should be close at least.

Nah doflamingo got wrecked by gear 4 luffy , cracker at least could somewhat contend with him
Cracker was doing amazing , doffy got stomped quick

 

[grey matter]

Nah doflamingo got wrecked by gear 4 luffy , cracker at least could somewhat contend with him
Cracker was doing amazing , doffy got stomped quick

Doflamingo went down to 2 rounds of gear 4, as well as had to deal with Law and others too. He had the stats for all of that.

While Cracker lasted the first round because Luffy didn't know the trick of his powers
Cracker did well until Luffy realized the trick to his abilities. After which it was a convincing win for Luffy

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Doflamingo went down to 2 rounds of gear 4, as well as had to deal with Law and others too. He had the stats for all of that.

While Cracker lasted the first round because Luffy didn't know the trick of his powers
Cracker did well until Luffy realized the trick to his abilities. After which it was a convincing win for Luffy

There’s really no trick
Nami bailed luffy out by softening his biscuits
Till that point cracker actually had the toughest armament haki that he dealt with
Cracker also probably defeats doflamingo

he could also hurt gear 4 luffy that doffy couldn’t seem to
Gear 2+3 luffy kept up with doflamingo but got overwhelmed by cracker
And remember cracker fought a stronger luffy

 

[Ellenate]

Not gonna lie, it's immensely annoying to see that given Zoro told Luffy to be more serious, and Luffy agreed and promised.

There's a huge disconnect in this manga between what's said and what actually happens.

From what I have seen, most fans think of it as an inconsistency

I don't get why, it's a reoccurring theme.

Not knowing your opponent's abilities HAS BEEN SHOWN to have grave consequences.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Honestly, seems pretty dumb to automatically write Lucci off as not being strong enough to fight Luffy, especially given that characters can actually get significantly stronger over time. If Luffy gained so much strength from his fight against Lucci to now, why can't Lucci do the same?

Because Luffy is the main character and has insane potential and growth rate, Lucci is not. He'll be stronger but Luffy is at the level where he's able to fight Kaido one on one. If Lucci fights Luffy it will be because he's injured from fighting Kaido.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 15, 2021, Original Post Date: Oct 15, 2021 ---

What separates NW Pirates & others from the earlier half of the grand line is that they are stronger Pirates, more than likely under a Yonkou’s crew or the knowledge & usage Haki.

Pre TS Luffy with G2 has hurt and defeated Haki users pre TS.

So we forgot about Coby’s growth?!
Lucci is def above Who’s Who’s. Maybe nigh admiral lv. But no way can he be Yonkou lv

Why did you highlight Coby like he doesn't have the fastest growth rate in the show? He went from being an average civilian to a superhuman who can use rokushiki in under a year. There's a big gap between Who's Who and admiral level.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

What separates NW Pirates & others from the earlier half of the grand line is that they are stronger Pirates, more than likely under a Yonkou’s crew or the knowledge & usage Haki.

Pre TS Luffy with G2 has hurt and defeated Haki users pre TS.

So we forgot about Coby’s growth?!
Lucci is def above Who’s Who’s. Maybe nigh admiral lv. But no way can he be Yonkou lv

Ain’t no way lucci is as strong as kizaru akainu and Kuzan
Coby’s ambition is to be an admiral , his dream recquired him getting strong
Lucci is much older we can actually see a ceiling somewhat
And who’s who is not a scrub he’s way more poweful than pre TS lucci with a stronger fruit to boot

 

[XXGenesis]

Why did you highlight Coby like he doesn't have the fastest growth rate in the show? He went from being an average civilian to a superhuman who can use rokushiki in under a year. There's a big gap between Who's Who and admiral level.

Bevause if Coby an average citizen can almost rival Luffy, someone who’s been training from a kid and has gone on adventures defeating East Blue Pirates & Warlords.

The Workd Government has its means of raising powerful Marines & Spies.

 

[Fox666]

Till that point cracker actually had the toughest armament haki that he dealt with

In a mistralsnation Luffy said Cracker had the strongest armament he ever fought

However, in reality in only said Cracker's armament was very strong

I would argue Cracker's armament is weaker than Doflamingo, since Gear 4 destroyed the Biscuit Soldier with a single attack, while Doflamingo withstood a few hits

he could also hurt gear 4 luffy that doffy couldn’t seem to

I presume Gear 4 is still vulnerable to sharp objects

Cracker hurt Luffy with his sword, while Doflamingo failed with a kick

However, Luffy still dodged all of Doflamingo strings while in Gear 4, which is telling that they could hurt him

Cracker also probably defeats doflamingo

They have different abilities, and I think that would be the determining factor

I think it would be very unfortunate for Cracker if he had to deal with Doflamingo's Devil Fruit

Doflamingo can somewhat control his strings independently, and could slip them through the openings in the biscuit soldiers and attack his real body

Also Cracker said he can't stand pain, and these saw-like strings look very painful

Gear 2+3 luffy kept up with doflamingo but got overwhelmed by cracker
And remember cracker fought a stronger luffy

I don't expect Doflamingo to win against Cracker's biscuit soldiers in a fist fight

 

[Crimson Ice]

Bevause if Coby an average citizen can almost rival Luffy, someone who’s been training from a kid and has gone on adventures defeating East Blue Pirates & Warlords.

The Workd Government has its means of raising powerful Marines & Spies.

Did you just skim over the fact I literally said Coby has shown the fastest growth rate in the series? Lucci has been training since he was child and was 28 during Enis Lobby, meanwhile, Coby trained for 6 months and was superhuman, while post-TS Coby probably blows Enis Lobby Lucci out of water. Coby is the exception, not the rule.

 

[M3J]

Bevause if Coby an average citizen can almost rival Luffy, someone who’s been training from a kid and has gone on adventures defeating East Blue Pirates & Warlords.

The Workd Government has its means of raising powerful Marines & Spies.

Wait what? When was Coby able to almost rival Luffy?

 

[grey matter]

There’s really no trick
Nami bailed luffy out by softening his biscuits
Till that point cracker actually had the toughest armament haki that he dealt with
Cracker also probably defeats doflamingo

he could also hurt gear 4 luffy that doffy couldn’t seem to
Gear 2+3 luffy kept up with doflamingo but got overwhelmed by cracker
And remember cracker fought a stronger luffy

Yeah, and Doflamingo had to deal with Luffy + Law who is powerful in his own right.

Yeah, his armament tanked gear 2, but it couldn't handle gear 4

Luffy vs Cracker came down more to intel than you're giving it credit for. The lack of intel was a huge factor in the fight.
With intel, Cracker goes down in 1 round of gear 4. Doflamingo goes down to 2 rounds of gear 4 + Law. Dolfamingo is already implied to be above Jozou, who is YC3 and IMO fairly stronger than Cracker

Cracker fought pretty much the same Luffy that Doflamingo fought, maybe slightly stronger since he got more experience using gear 4 against Doflamingo.
Luffy had a big power spike only while facing Katakuri

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Yeah, and Doflamingo had to deal with Luffy + Law who is powerful in his own right.

Yeah, his armament tanked gear 2, but it couldn't handle gear 4

Luffy vs Cracker came down more to intel than you're giving it credit for. The lack of intel was a huge factor in the fight.
With intel, Cracker goes down in 1 round of gear 4. Doflamingo goes down to 2 rounds of gear 4 + Law. Dolfamingo is already implied to be above Jozou, who is YC3 and IMO fairly stronger than Cracker

Cracker fought pretty much the same Luffy that Doflamingo fought, maybe slightly stronger since he got more experience using gear 4 against Doflamingo.
Luffy had a big power spike only while facing Katakuri

Doflamingo couldn’t compete with gear 4 luffy the anime prolonged it but in the manga it was super one sided , doffy was completely trashed
It’s just that luffy thought he had won already , he was just waiting but he damn near toyed with him
Cracked ability to make endless clones is an issue
Luffy could break through doffy defenses with gear 2 and 3 and even did damage in base but he didn’t have time , he was completely ineffective at times against cracker when he used those
And remember luffy jumps in strength considerably after arcs
He’s much stronger in WCI than he was in dressora

 

[Fox666]

He’s much stronger in WCI than he was in dressora

It's hard to tell

Luffy is definitely much stronger at the end of Dressrosa than in Punk Hazard, and he's much stronger at the end of Whole Cake than in Dressrosa

But at the beggining of the arcs? That's a tough question

 

[LaGOAT]

Maybe. IIRC he had the advantage over Jozou, who was YC3 of Whitebeard pirates and IMO stronger than the other YC3 we've seen so far.

He also need Law + Luffy + many other distractions to be taken down. Plus he has conqueror's haki + awakened devil fruit. I wouldn't be surprised if he's Queen level, but he should be close at least.

Well it just means he the strongest in that tier.
Not really u would have a point of gear 4th wasn’t overwhelming him but it was. Luffy 1vs1 till beat DD

 

[XXGenesis]

Wait what? When was Coby able to almost rival Luffy?

don’t take my words so literal. Coby simply made a huge gap from a worthless civilian
To a marine soldier knowing soru, so he was at least low CP9 lv.

Then he has another more tame power up to more than likely a Yonkou’s officer or low commander lv

 

[Pirate Queen]

don’t take my words so literal. Coby simply made a huge gap from a worthless civilian
To a marine soldier knowing soru, so he was at least low CP9 lv.

Then he has another more tame power up to more than likely a Yonkou’s officer or low commander lv

Okay... but what are you basing any of this on?

He's got soru and he's stopped a rocket. There isn't anything to go on to say he is strong enough to fight an officer or low commander

He doesn't have a single combat feat making worthy of fighting a New World threat.

 

[XXGenesis]

Okay... but what are you basing any of this on?

He's got soru and he's stopped a rocket. There isn't anything to go on to say he is strong enough to fight an officer or low commander

He doesn't have a single combat feat making worthy of fighting a New World threat.

He made news headlines with Law. So he’s at least somewhat comparable to Law.

Pirate Queen, your starting to annoy me with your un solicited trolling. It’s tired bro.

This is a Power level thread. Who made the rules that said we can’t have fun playing guessing games…

sheesh grow up, you don’t even troll wel you just look like an asshole who gravitates to any controversial subject to make fun of it or someone. Relax buddy

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

He made news headlines with Law. So he’s at least somewhat comparable to Law.

Pirate Queen, your starting to annoy me with your un solicited trolling. It’s tired bro.

This is a Power level thread. Who made the rules that said we can’t have fun playing guessing games…

sheesh grow up, you don’t even troll wel you just look like an asshole who gravitates to any controversial subject to make fun of it or someone. Relax buddy

He’s not on the slightest
If we know one thing about law he’s not what he seems
Coby was involved doesn’t mean he squared off against law

 

[Pirate Queen]

He made news headlines with Law. So he’s at least somewhat comparable to Law.

Pirate Queen, your starting to annoy me with your un solicited trolling. It’s tired bro.

This is a Power level thread. Who made the rules that said we can’t have fun playing guessing games…

sheesh grow up, you don’t even troll wel you just look like an asshole who gravitates to any controversial subject to make fun of it or someone. Relax buddy

This is ridiculous. What did I say that was a troll? I was 100% factual. He hadn't done anything.

Calling me a troll for pointing out facts is so petty. There was absolutely nothing controversial about what I said. You know what is controversial? Saying Coby is Low Commander level with nothing to back it. If you can't handle a simple disagreement why are you here?

And comparing him to Law?