One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[BoyNextDoor]

Oh shit


1. Jozu
2. Daz Bones
3. Katakuri/Sanji



5. Cracker

bruh mr 1 got his shit rocked by early series zoro

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the cracker disrespect is over 9000

 

[albertwv]

But he was mentioned as a rival to Kaido?

If he was YC3, Kaido would be bored and no diffing him, instead of having fun with the battle.
If it was some no diff stomp instead of a good battle, why would it be mentioned as one of the highlights of the 5 intermediate years?

Not saying he was Kaido level at all, but definitely strong enough to give him some difficulty

Also remember that Bounties are inflated at this stage. Ace only has 500, and he is arguably the strongest YC2 if not bordering YC1.
Plus his bounty was frozen after becoming Shichibukai

Depends on the translation, I guess. Some say he fought with Kaido years ago. Just like when Crocodile fought WB years ago, should we call Crocodile, WB's rival? Lol no.
You're going off by the anime which the anime just adds more and hypes up for the sake of killing time. I don't take that anime battle seriously at all.
Kaido had no difficulty he straight up massacred Morias crew and traumatized Moria into not going into the NW for a really long time.

Okay the bounties may not mean anything then. Either way Moria was nothing worthy to Kaido.
People overhype both Moria and Ace.

Ace was NOT the strongest YC2 or close to YC1. Jozu is probably the strongest YC2 and Jozu was a level above Ace. Actually Vista, Jozu, and Marcos were levels above Ace. Ace was still somewhat of a rookie among their crew and even though he became the 2nd Commander, it doesnt mean he is a YC2. Just like Shanks warned WB, Ace is strong but not that strong to be tackling major opponents or BB.
I see Ace as best as YC3. He only "stalemated" Aokiji due to the nature of their DFs, Ice vs Fire, but in real fight Aokiji would have killed him, seeing how long Aokiji vs Akainu lasted compared to Akainu vs Ace.
Even when he fought Yamato, Yamato didnt look too serious to fight Ace much less defend Kaidos castle.

 

[M3J]

bruh mr 1 got his shit rocked by early series zoro

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the cracker disrespect is over 9000

No he didn't, Zoro had to push himself hard to damage Daz, really push himself.

Get past Cracker's biscuits to the real one, and he's probably out. Most other fighters would have likely withstood what Cracker went through.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

No he didn't, Zoro had to push himself hard to damage Daz, really push himself.

Wasnt he foddered at marineford thou?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

bruh mr 1 got his shit rocked by early series zoro

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the cracker disrespect is over 9000

No he didn't, Zoro had to push himself hard to damage Daz, really push himself.

Get past Cracker's biscuits to the real one, and he's probably out. Most other fighters would have likely withstood what Cracker went through.

mr.1 is an actual scrub

Mr 1 is a relative scrub lmaoo, cracker and kata aren’t getting one shot by a casual attack from mihawk

 

[Ero-Sanji]

Rival is a term with two meaning. One is being equal to and the other is being in contention for the same thing. Moria and Kaido were most definitely rivals according to the second definition. As for the first, well, that's still a mystery. You can't state is as a fact that Moria didn't rival Kaido because his crew were annihilated. Otherwise Napoleon was never a rival to Wellington, or Crassus to Caesar. Was Oden not Kaido's rival?

What we do know on the other hand is that Moria twenty years ago was a different beast from the person we met two years ago. Oda gives his villains powers that fit their characteristics. Moria was/iis a shadow of his former self.

 

[Fox666]

The luffy that fought kata was leagues stronger than the one who fought doffy
And kata kinda overdid it when he stabbed him self

When Luffy used Bounce Man against Katakuri, I don't think his strength was much different from when he fought Doflamingo.

Katakuri took a sequence of attacks in a very similar fashion to Doflamingo. Except that Doflamingo had his internal organs attached, so...

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

When Luffy used Bounce Man against Katakuri, I don't think his strength was much different from when he fought Doflamingo.

Katakuri took a sequence of attacks in a very similar fashion to Doflamingo. Except that Doflamingo had his internal organs attached, so...

There’s a pretty big chasm between a YC3 and YC1
Luffy was more like YC3+ when he fought cracker , and was weaker than that fought doffy

 

[M3J]

Wasnt he foddered at marineford thou?

Against whom?

Mr 1 is a relative scrub lmaoo, cracker and kata aren’t getting one shot by a casual attack from mihawk

Cracker probably is.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Against whom?

He wasnt even worth 4 panels. Even against Mihawk, when your strong matchup is swordsmen, its really disappointing.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Against whom?


Cracker probably is.

Cracker is actually a pretty good swordsman with great defense with his DF

 

[albertwv]

Rival is a term with two meaning. One is being equal to and the other is being in contention for the same thing. Moria and Kaido were most definitely rivals according to the second definition. As for the first, well, that's still a mystery. You can't state is as a fact that Moria didn't rival Kaido because his crew were annihilated. Otherwise Napoleon was never a rival to Wellington, or Crassus to Caesar. Was Oden not Kaido's rival?

What we do know on the other hand is that Moria twenty years ago was a different beast from the person we met two years ago. Oda gives his villains powers that fit their characteristics. Moria was/iis a shadow of his former self.

According to the 2nd definition, then is every Pirate who wants to be PK, named or nonnamed, weak or strong, Luffy's rival? To me the term rival is somebody who is near peer AND actively competing for the same goal. There are many pirates who were Luffy's level and wanting to be PKs but they were not competing with Luffy and Luffy didnt acknowledge them.
I CAN state that Moria losing his crew and morale to Kaido means he was NOT his rival. Idk who any of those people you mentioned are or there circumstances and dont care unless you are talking about characters in OP.

Oden was NOT Kaido's rival. What were they competing for? The control of Wano, that was more Orochi and Orochi had already won that goal through underhanded tactics nonetheless, Oden wasnt Kaidos rival. Oden was a mighty foe to Kaido, I say even a bigger challenge than Moria was. Actually I see Oden more of a rival to Kaido than Moria, but im not saying that Oden was a rival to him.
If anything Kaido and BM seem to be more rivals than anything until they joined forces.

im not doubting Moria was stronger than his current self, but I am overestimating Moria and saying he was YC1 level. My best bet was he was YC3 level at best and remember this, Kaido was not the same Kaido as current so he was somewhat weaker. Still I stand my point that Moria was not a beast like people think he was.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Can you guys help me out.

Who do you think is more durable. As in "can take the most damage" and if you can rank them.

Jozu, Sanji, Cracker(Biscuits), Mr. 1, Katakuri

Haki is not allowed in your ranking. This is base durability. And latest showings as of 1034

Base durability? I don't think I can rank Cracker because he buffs his biscuits with haki.

Jozu>>Sanji>>>>>>Mr.1.

 

[M3J]

He wasnt even worth 4 panels. Even against Mihawk, when your strong matchup is swordsmen, its really disappointing.

As I thought, Mihawk. He's on a whole other level, and we've seen that it takes one heck of a strength with swords to get past Daz's blade body. It'd be disappointing if fists and legs were what took him out.

Cracker is actually a pretty good swordsman with great defense with his DF

Not good enough to beat Luffy, so he'd likely lose to Mihawk.

 

[Core D. Roy]

I think for the vast majority of physical fighters in the series, Cracker is an impassable wall. Even Luffy needed the Nami assist. Only DF mismatches, top-tiers, and assists are getting through Cracker's biscuit army. It's a pretty astonishing ability defensively. That said, Mihawk? I can't not see him effortlessly one-shotting Cracker. Even Zoro might not win 1v1 as he is, it's just such a lop-sided ability against physical fighters. That said, that assessment will probably change post-Wano. Zoro and Sanji have been fun to try placing in my personal tier table as Wano lurches onward.

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[BoyNextDoor]

getting past mr.1s steel body was like zoros first main power up. that boy daz is trash

 

[I Am Atomic]

I thought Daz bones is impossible to cut if you can't cut steel. But if someone punched hard enough, he can still be hurt right? It's not like he can only be defeated by cutting him.

Also how does haki affect him? Does haki allows them to hurt him easily? Luffy can be hurt by a single flick by Garp with haki. So it should be the same for him even though his steel body is a passive ability.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I think for the vast majority of physical fighters in the series, Cracker is an impassable wall. Even Luffy needed the Nami assist. Only DF mismatches, top-tiers, and assists are getting through Cracker's biscuit army. It's a pretty astonishing ability defensively. That said, Mihawk? I can't not see him effortlessly one-shotting Cracker. Even Zoro might not win 1v1 as he is, it's just such a lop-sided ability against physical fighters. That said, that assessment will probably change post-Wano. Zoro and Sanji have been fun to try placing in my personal tier table as Wano lurches onward.

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thats what I'm saying. crackers defense is nuts. how is sub-yonkou level guys gettin past his biscuit army 1 on 1. spoiler - they dont

 

[kkck]

I think for the vast majority of physical fighters in the series, Cracker is an impassable wall. Even Luffy needed the Nami assist. Only DF mismatches, top-tiers, and assists are getting through Cracker's biscuit army. It's a pretty astonishing ability defensively. That said, Mihawk? I can't not see him effortlessly one-shotting Cracker. Even Zoro might not win 1v1 as he is, it's just such a lop-sided ability against physical fighters. That said, that assessment will probably change post-Wano. Zoro and Sanji have been fun to try placing in my personal tier table as Wano lurches onward.

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Welp, you basically need fighters that can punch at least in the same tier as cracker... Cracker is still big mom's number 3. So you need fighters that fight at least above gear 4 luffy at early WCI to solo cracker. I would also maintain that people underestimate cracker offensively just in general. We saw the fight, cracker had exactly zero reservations about engaging gear 4 luffy in close range combat. He could handle luffy's speed at that point and easily injure him past his haki. Not even doflamingo could do that.

Mihawk wise... TBH, no idea. On one hand you have mihawk being presented as a rival to shanks but on the other one we saw him having a confrontation with vista which he didn't win instantly. Zoro is building himself up to be a yonko level fighter at some point as well considering what his full power can do at this point (more than enough to cause meaningful harm to a yonko) and it'd be silly if zoro just walks into mihawk and easily ends him. Outside of that it seems pretty reasonable that mihawk's skillset is easily enough to cut past a non haki reinforced cracker soldier.

 

[Fox666]

I thought Daz bones is impossible to cut if you can't cut steel. But if someone punched hard enough, he can still be hurt right? It's not like he can only be defeated by cutting him.

Also how does haki affect him? Does haki allows them to hurt him easily? Luffy can be hurt by a single flick by Garp with haki. So it should be the same for him even though his steel body is a passive ability.

I think Luffy can be hurt by Haki because he's soft. However in Mr. 1 or Jozu case, you also have to surpass their hardness.

He could handle luffy's speed at that point and easily injure him past his haki. Not even doflamingo could do that.

Doflamingo couldn't hurt Luffy with Gear 4 using blunt attacks, but since Luffy avoided all of his strings, I think it's safe to assume they could hurt him. I presume if Cracker tried to punch Luffy, the soft-hard rubber would also counter it.