One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[M3J]

No. It was its own chapter even. https://w2.1piecemanga.com/manga/one-piece-chapter-441/

Ah so I remembered correctly, or rather the only thing that was off was "most." The chapter ended off with both fighting, and the hat on the ground, but nothing conclusive. Ace was doing well even though he was at a disadvantage/losing.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Ah so I remembered correctly, or rather the only thing that was off was "most." The chapter ended off with both fighting, and the hat on the ground, but nothing conclusive. Ace was doing well even though he was at a disadvantage/losing.

What we last saw was their last attack. The conclusion we saw with his hat on the ground. He lost and that quite fast. BB landed two barehanded hits on him, which nearly broke his neck and left him bloodied. All attacks from Ace that hit BB did basically nothing, he was still joking around. Then Ace lets loose his strongest attack and BB just countered it. Ace defeated.
Even when we saw BB later, no burnscars and no visible damage from this "close fight". Look at Akainu and Aokiji, both had scars or even worse.

 

[M3J]

What we last saw was their last attack. The conclusion we saw with his hat on the ground. He lost and that quite fast. BB landed two barehanded hits on him, which nearly broke his neck and left him bloodied. All attacks from Ace that hit BB did basically nothing, he was still joking around. Then Ace lets loose his strongest attack and BB just countered it. Ace defeated.
Even when we saw BB later, no burnscars and no visible damage from this "close fight". Look at Akainu and Aokiji, both had scars or even worse.

That could mean anything, it doesn't mean he lost right there and then. Though, I doubt Oda would care either way to really tell us what happened, so this seems like it could be an endless, repetitive debate.

Can Blackbeard get scars or bruises with his devil fruit?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

What we last saw was their last attack. The conclusion we saw with his hat on the ground. He lost and that quite fast. BB landed two barehanded hits on him, which nearly broke his neck and left him bloodied. All attacks from Ace that hit BB did basically nothing, he was still joking around. Then Ace lets loose his strongest attack and BB just countered it. Ace defeated.
Even when we saw BB later, no burnscars and no visible damage from this "close fight". Look at Akainu and Aokiji, both had scars or even worse.

Again it was a style makes fight situation
Blackbeard could negate aces biggest strength
And ace was hurting Blackbeard
Enel in the grand scheme was much more powerful than pre-ts but he couldn't do shit to Luffy and this isn't to say Blackbeard or ace
Heck Blackbeard got one shot by Magellan but blackbeard has the tools to fight him effectively

 

[XXGenesis]

BB was already a commander Lv fighter, he denied being a commander for years with the White Beard Pirates. He managed to injure Shanks….I suspect BB was around the lv of YC1+ at the time. I doubt he could have fought and defeated any Emperors. But I do believe he had the means & strength to hurt them

 

[albertwv]

People heavily overestimate Ace. Way too much. I brought up Ace vs Smoker to compare it with Ace vs Aokiji. It is the exact same scenario. The opponent attacks and Ace blocks it. I even showed manga panels. Yet people will downplay Ace vs Smoker but hype up Ace because he managed to block Aokiji.

@grey matter you are still on with the Ice > Fire vs Magma. Lol. Cmon that sounds hilarious. Fire has better chance agaisnt magma than ice does. We saw how Akainu melted a huge block of ice. Just stop.

Pre TS BB was not YC1. He was YC3 at best. Then with Gura Gura, he jumped up to YC1 during MF. During the TS after beating Marcos and the WB Pirates, imagine he gained better control of the new power, he jumped to the weakest of the Yonkos and above all the YCs.
BB in ID was somewhat harmed by a Pre TS Gear 2 Luffy. That same G2 Luffy would not be able to harm Doffy or Cracker, even Post TS Gear 2 Luffy was barely able to damage them.

I see what people are doing to overestimate Ace. They overhype his past opponents in order to make Ace look extremely strong. After seeing YC level opponents, I cannot see how Ace would have lasted. Ace was just a rookie among the YC levels who was a hothead to think he had a chance.

Marco is YC1+ maybe or just YC1
Vista and Jozu are YC2
Ace at best was YC3-4
BB was YC3 (Dark DF), YC1 (Quake DF), Post TS: Yonko level


Forget about the 2nd Division Commander position, that is NOT an indicator of how powerful he was. At first I thought it was, I thought he was stronger than Jozu, Thatch, and Vista, but after seeing Jozu and Vista in action I quickly realized Ace was still a rookie among them.
BB was NOT offered the position, was he strong enough to be a WBP Commander, yes. Ace suggested to BB because BB was in the crew for over 20 years.
BB vs Ace, BB was the clear winner, they were not equals.

Ace's haki did not seem anything special at all.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

People heavily overestimate Ace. Way too much. I brought up Ace vs Smoker to compare it with Ace vs Aokiji. It is the exact same scenario. The opponent attacks and Ace blocks it. I even showed manga panels. Yet people will downplay Ace vs Smoker but hype up Ace because he managed to block Aokiji.

@grey matter you are still on with the Ice > Fire vs Magma. Lol. Cmon that sounds hilarious. Fire has better chance agaisnt magma than ice does. We saw how Akainu melted a huge block of ice. Just stop.

Pre TS BB was not YC1. He was YC3 at best. Then with Gura Gura, he jumped up to YC1 during MF. During the TS after beating Marcos and the WB Pirates, imagine he gained better control of the new power, he jumped to the weakest of the Yonkos and above all the YCs.
BB in ID was somewhat harmed by a Pre TS Gear 2 Luffy. That same G2 Luffy would not be able to harm Doffy or Cracker, even Post TS Gear 2 Luffy was barely able to damage them.

I see what people are doing to overestimate Ace. They overhype his past opponents in order to make Ace look extremely strong. After seeing YC level opponents, I cannot see how Ace would have lasted. Ace was just a rookie among the YC levels who was a hothead to think he had a chance.

Marco is YC1+ maybe or just YC1
Vista and Jozu are YC2
Ace at best was YC3-4
BB was YC3 (Dark DF), YC1 (Quake DF), Post TS: Yonko level


Forget about the 2nd Division Commander position, that is NOT an indicator of how powerful he was. At first I thought it was, I thought he was stronger than Jozu, Thatch, and Vista, but after seeing Jozu and Vista in action I quickly realized Ace was still a rookie among them.
BB was NOT offered the position, was he strong enough to be a WBP Commander, yes. Ace suggested to BB because BB was in the crew for over 20 years.
BB vs Ace, BB was the clear winner, they were not equals.

Ace's haki did not seem anything special at all.

nahh you need to put some respeck on my boys name.

the ace that fought jimbei for 5 days was YC3/4. the ace that fought WB on that island for hours was YC1 EASY. you can literally see that whitebeard werent holding back when he fought ace on that island. if anything it looks like he tried harder against ace than he did in the war. you can see he was even using kings haki in his attacks. the fact that ace could defend against kings haki infused earthquake attacks is YC1 tier feats alone. whitebeard was throwing all these one hit ko moves at ace bro. the strongest paramecia fruit in the world combined with the strongest haki type used by the strongest man and ace came out of it completely fine. luffy who was basically YC1 before acoc fought with like 4 other YC2 level guys and barely scratched kaidou. and ace did all that on his own for hours. if we're being real, ace most likely was YC1+ level.

also look at what this guy said.

this guy even thinks if he hit whitebeard with that attack then whitebeard woulda been in trouble. the only people who can hurt yonkous are YC1+ people. yet whitebeard had to block that attack with a full force earthquake + kings haki attack of his own. the whole island was fucked up from the fight with kings haki black lightning spilling out all over the place.

bro that aint no YC2 or 3 level clash. the only people that can produce that kind of impact are YC1+ guys. and even after all that ace weren't even burnt out. he coulda kept going but whitebeard finally earned ace's respect to become his son.

ace was YC1+ level EASY

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plus for people saying ace only matched aokiji cause fire = ice or whatever, whitebeard literally reacts like this to ace burning him

there are levels to it. aokiji would have just iced up ace's fire or something if ace was too weak. unless it's a hard counter like rubber and lightning, the stronger logia is gonna overpower another logia if the fighter is weaker.

 

[Fox666]

BB in ID was somewhat harmed by a Pre TS Gear 2 Luffy. That same G2 Luffy would not be able to harm Doffy or Cracker, even Post TS Gear 2 Luffy was barely able to damage them.

That's more like an inconsistency with power levels

Pre-timeskip, Gear 2 was capable of hurting a commander-level character caught off-guard.

Why Blackbeard didn't use CoO or CoA against Luffy? Why Kuma didn't used CoO or CoA against Zoro?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

That's more like an inconsistency with power levels

Pre-timeskip, Gear 2 was capable of hurting a commander-level character caught off-guard.

Why Blackbeard didn't use CoO or CoA against Luffy? Why Kuma didn't used CoO or CoA against Zoro?

bro there's an asterisk on all grand line paradise events involving end game level characters for this reason. ace was just too strong for the first part of the story too. so that little skirmish with smoker doesnt even exist in my mind. because with today's current power scaling, ace should have realistically burnt smoker to crisp if he wanted.

 

[Core D. Roy]

That's more like an inconsistency with power levels

Pre-timeskip, Gear 2 was capable of hurting a commander-level character caught off-guard.

Why Blackbeard didn't use CoO or CoA against Luffy? Why Kuma didn't used CoO or CoA against Zoro?

In defense of Kuma's performance: I think his cyborgification stunted his ability to use haki. Haki is literally one's spirit first and foremost, and Kuma was actively losing his literal humanity. It reminds me of the theory that after getting their shit kicked in in the New World, Moria and Crocodile lost their ability to effectively use haki. Except it's even more likely in Kuma's case since his body and mind were both being eroded by modifications.

Now characters like Ace, Jinbe, and to an extent Blackbeard and Shanks? They kinda throw powerscaling into wack pre and post-timeskip. Blackbeard and Shanks only less so because we've barely seen them actually fight.

 

[albertwv]

nahh you need to put some respeck on my boys name.

the ace that fought jimbei for 5 days was YC3/4. the ace that fought WB on that island for hours was YC1 EASY. you can literally see that whitebeard werent holding back when he fought ace on that island. if anything it looks like he tried harder against ace than he did in the war. you can see he was even using kings haki in his attacks. the fact that ace could defend against kings haki infused earthquake attacks is YC1 tier feats alone. whitebeard was throwing all these one hit ko moves at ace bro. the strongest paramecia fruit in the world combined with the strongest haki type used by the strongest man and ace came out of it completely fine. luffy who was basically YC1 before acoc fought with like 4 other YC2 level guys and barely scratched kaidou. and ace did all that on his own for hours. if we're being real, ace most likely was YC1+ level.

also look at what this guy said.

this guy even thinks if he hit whitebeard with that attack then whitebeard woulda been in trouble. the only people who can hurt yonkous are YC1+ people. yet whitebeard had to block that attack with a full force earthquake + kings haki attack of his own. the whole island was fucked up from the fight with kings haki black lightning spilling out all over the place.

bro that aint no YC2 or 3 level clash. the only people that can produce that kind of impact are YC1+ guys. and even after all that ace weren't even burnt out. he coulda kept going but whitebeard finally earned ace's respect to become his son.

ace was YC1+ level EASY

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plus for people saying ace only matched aokiji cause fire = ice or whatever, whitebeard literally reacts like this to ace burning him

there are levels to it. aokiji would have just iced up ace's fire or something if ace was too weak. unless it's a hard counter like rubber and lightning, the stronger logia is gonna overpower another logia if the fighter is weaker.

Sorry I dont use the novel as a power level indicator. To me this fight never happened like this. I am NOT saying that WB vs Ace happened, because it did, it says so in the manga. Though, I would not use this novel or vivre cards AND anime (I know Crimson will call me out, even though I took back what I said about the anime battle of ace and smoker) to reference Ace vs WB. I only use facts from the manga.

You said only people who cant hurt Yonkos are YC1+. Now thats ridiculous. We've seen how the 9RS who are NOT YC1+ were able to harm Kaido and cut him. We've seen how Zolo was able to and he is barely YC1. Etc.
Also, when you say Yonko i think you mean BM and Kaido. While in MF, WB was being harmed by low level opponents even if they were just cuts and blasts from random HQ Marines.

WB must have been going easy on Ace, obviously he was not going to go all out and kill him.

You see people overestimate Ace because he is popular just like Zolo. There are folk out there who overestimate Zolo and even Sanji, claiming Zolo is YC1+ /

 

[BoyNextDoor]

bro if you aint using the novel then i got nothing else for you. but the novel is facts.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Sorry I dont use the novel as a power level indicator. To me this fight never happened like this. I am NOT saying that WB vs Ace happened, because it did, it says so in the manga. Though, I would not use this novel or vivre cards AND anime (I know Crimson will call me out, even though I took back what I said about the anime battle of ace and smoker) to reference Ace vs WB. I only use facts from the manga.

You said only people who cant hurt Yonkos are YC1+. Now thats ridiculous. We've seen how the 9RS who are NOT YC1+ were able to harm Kaido and cut him. We've seen how Zolo was able to and he is barely YC1. Etc.
Also, when you say Yonko i think you mean BM and Kaido. While in MF, WB was being harmed by low level opponents even if they were just cuts and blasts from random HQ Marines.

WB must have been going easy on Ace, obviously he was not going to go all out and kill him.

You see people overestimate Ace because he is popular just like Zolo. There are folk out there who overestimate Zolo and even Sanji, claiming Zolo is YC1+ /

Now tbf that whitebeard was pre his sickness Devasting him
The likes of squardo who’s alright in strength and the marine fodder couldn’t touch that whitebeard
Marineford whitebeard is much weaker than that whitebeard ,

 

[grey matter]

Sorry I dont use the novel as a power level indicator. To me this fight never happened like this. I am NOT saying that WB vs Ace happened, because it did, it says so in the manga. Though, I would not use this novel or vivre cards AND anime (I know Crimson will call me out, even though I took back what I said about the anime battle of ace and smoker) to reference Ace vs WB. I only use facts from the manga.

You said only people who cant hurt Yonkos are YC1+. Now thats ridiculous. We've seen how the 9RS who are NOT YC1+ were able to harm Kaido and cut him. We've seen how Zolo was able to and he is barely YC1. Etc.
Also, when you say Yonko i think you mean BM and Kaido. While in MF, WB was being harmed by low level opponents even if they were just cuts and blasts from random HQ Marines.

WB must have been going easy on Ace, obviously he was not going to go all out and kill him.

You see people overestimate Ace because he is popular just like Zolo. There are folk out there who overestimate Zolo and even Sanji, claiming Zolo is YC1+ /

Dude, the WB from Maineford was off his meds for days. His haki was almost non existent

If he isn't off meds for too long, the guy's haki is on par with Shanks, arguably the best haki user alive.
This WB would dodge and no diff Jinbe tiers in his sleep, and would conquerors coating at a level where even most commander wouldn't scratch him

I'd respond to the other stuff later

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Dude, the WB from Maineford was off his meds for days. His haki was almost non existent

If he isn't off meds for too long, the guy's haki is on par with Shanks, arguably the best haki user alive.
This WB would dodge and no diff Jinbe tiers in his sleep, and would conquerors coating at a level where even most commander wouldn't scratch him

I'd respond to the other stuff later

Yup he was probably the most advanced user of future sight cause him countering ace in his sleep is cause of that , suddenly he can't see what squardo is doing ? And I'm guessing he could coat his body in conquerors
Heck he couldn't even use conquerors at will at Marie ford ( which goes to my point that imo whitrbeard wasn't the strongest in the world with his state in marine ford)

 

[Crimson Ice]

People heavily overestimate Ace. Way too much. I brought up Ace vs Smoker to compare it with Ace vs Aokiji. It is the exact same scenario. The opponent attacks and Ace blocks it. I even showed manga panels. Yet people will downplay Ace vs Smoker but hype up Ace because he managed to block Aokiji.

Once again this makes no sense. In both scenarios Ace blocks someone who's trying to attack him, the Smoker feat isn't talked about because Smoker isn't powerful. Like what does this point do for you? You want people to acknowledge Ace blocked someone tiers below him? Like what is there to downplay? He easily blocks Smoker, what is there to acknowledge?


Imagine discussing Luffy's feats and getting annoyed someone won't mention that he one-shot a Pacifista? SO WHAT! Luffy has way more impressive feats.

 

[grey matter]

Yup he was probably the most advanced user of future sight cause him countering ace in his sleep is cause of that , suddenly he can't see what squardo is doing ? And I'm guessing he could coat his body in conquerors
Heck he couldn't even use conquerors at will at Marie ford ( which goes to my point that imo whitrbeard wasn't the strongest in the world with his state in marine ford)

Might not be future sight necessarily, and just be really good regular observation haki as well. Like, he might be able to sense presence of people and could sense them immediately if they come to attack

And yea, I think all the Yonkos are capable of coating conqueror's haki for defence.

Yep, the WB who was in Marineford couldn't use conqueror's haki at all.
His conqueror's haki and observation haki were pretty much non existent. And he had barely enough armament haki to threaten the logia admirals.

The WB in meds (like we saw versus Shanks) would've instantly taken out more than half the marines there with his conqueror's haki.

The dude's pride really got in his way. He went on for days without his meds and was weak in Marineford.
I wonder why he did it, to prevent the nurses from getting into danger? I mean, if pride was the only issue, he could've just taken it off immediately before entering the war

@grey matter you are still on with the Ice > Fire vs Magma. Lol. Cmon that sounds hilarious. Fire has better chance agaisnt magma than ice does. We saw how Akainu melted a huge block of ice. Just stop.

Dude, I actually gave you a solid explanation as to why Ice is a better match for magma than fire.
To simply put, energy required to heat up magma enough to cancel it (i.e vapurize it) >>> the energy required to cool it down to room temperature
Fire can't do anything against magma unless you reach like sun level temperature.
While Ice can. For one, ice is solid and can hence change the trajectory of magma attacks. Another thing is that it is easier to cool down magma

Either give a counter argument, or you can stop dismissing it based on nothing

Pre TS BB was not YC1. He was YC3 at best. Then with Gura Gura, he jumped up to YC1 during MF. During the TS after beating Marcos and the WB Pirates, imagine he gained better control of the new power, he jumped to the weakest of the Yonkos and above all the YCs.
BB in ID was somewhat harmed by a Pre TS Gear 2 Luffy. That same G2 Luffy would not be able to harm Doffy or Cracker, even Post TS Gear 2 Luffy was barely able to damage them.

If he was just YC3 level, Ace would smoke him dude.

Ace was on or close to that level 2-3 years ago. Because Jinbe is on or close to that level.
Address this issue. Let's clear this up before going any further. Jimbe - YC3 tier or not? If not YC3 tier, what difficulty would he give a YC3?

Lets even assume BB was YC3 for the sake of the argument. Any YC3 would no diff pre timeskip Luffy if he wants. The fact that he didn't proves he didn't even care about Luffy there. BB was just gloating and talking smack against Luffy, he wasn't looking for a fight there. BB was harmed by it cause he took G2 Luffy's attack with zero defence, he didn't use haki or even really tried to defend himself. The guy is carefree, it's his character, this was why Magellan no diff'd him as well.
Getting damaged here isn't really a L for BB. G2 Luffy got Magellan on his knees, and Magellan ~ Shillew (pre DF). You can't take a G2 punch without flinching, unless you're using haki to defend yourself. Also, Oda not having a proper idea about future powerscaling likely played a role here as well.

BB against Ace was in combat mode and was serious. Quite different scenario here.

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Once again this makes no sense. In both scenarios Ace blocks someone who's trying to attack him, the Smoker feat isn't talked about because Smoker isn't powerful. Like what does this point do for you? You want people to acknowledge Ace blocked someone tiers below him? Like what is there to downplay? He easily blocks Smoker, what is there to acknowledge?


Imagine discussing Luffy's feats and getting annoyed someone won't mention that he one-shot a Pacifista? SO WHAT! Luffy has way more impressive feats.

Right.

Like, Ace's intention wasn't even really to attack Smoker, but to cancel out his attack Which he succeeded. IDK what's really to be bothered here lol

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

People heavily overestimate Ace. Way too much. I brought up Ace vs Smoker to compare it with Ace vs Aokiji. It is the exact same scenario. The opponent attacks and Ace blocks it. I even showed manga panels. Yet people will downplay Ace vs Smoker but hype up Ace because he managed to block Aokiji.

@grey matter you are still on with the Ice > Fire vs Magma. Lol. Cmon that sounds hilarious. Fire has better chance agaisnt magma than ice does. We saw how Akainu melted a huge block of ice. Just stop.

Pre TS BB was not YC1. He was YC3 at best. Then with Gura Gura, he jumped up to YC1 during MF. During the TS after beating Marcos and the WB Pirates, imagine he gained better control of the new power, he jumped to the weakest of the Yonkos and above all the YCs.
BB in ID was somewhat harmed by a Pre TS Gear 2 Luffy. That same G2 Luffy would not be able to harm Doffy or Cracker, even Post TS Gear 2 Luffy was barely able to damage them.

I see what people are doing to overestimate Ace. They overhype his past opponents in order to make Ace look extremely strong. After seeing YC level opponents, I cannot see how Ace would have lasted. Ace was just a rookie among the YC levels who was a hothead to think he had a chance.

Marco is YC1+ maybe or just YC1
Vista and Jozu are YC2
Ace at best was YC3-4
BB was YC3 (Dark DF), YC1 (Quake DF), Post TS: Yonko level


Forget about the 2nd Division Commander position, that is NOT an indicator of how powerful he was. At first I thought it was, I thought he was stronger than Jozu, Thatch, and Vista, but after seeing Jozu and Vista in action I quickly realized Ace was still a rookie among them.
BB was NOT offered the position, was he strong enough to be a WBP Commander, yes. Ace suggested to BB because BB was in the crew for over 20 years.
BB vs Ace, BB was the clear winner, they were not equals.

Ace's haki did not seem anything special at all.

Luffy could hurt crocodile magellan and Blackbeard who were all powerhouses
I will counter that one shanks said Blackbeard is strong , Blackbeard could have become the division 2 commander if he wanted , he just wasn't interested, and this was on pure hand to hand combat skills ( ace asked him pre gura gura why he didn't take seat, he was still feigning lack of ambition )
Gura gura
Blackbeard is crushing cracker doflamingo and Jack please come on , he's stronger than all 3 , and I see him beating smoothie and queen too

 

[grey matter]

Luffy could hurt crocodile magellan and Blackbeard who were all powerhouses
I will counter that one shanks said Blackbeard is strong , Blackbeard could have become the division 2 commander if he wanted , he just wasn't interested, and this was on pure hand to hand combat skills ( ace asked him pre gura gura why he didn't take seat, he was still feigning lack of ambition )
Gura gura
Blackbeard is crushing cracker doflamingo and Jack please come on , he's stronger than all 3 , and I see him beating smoothie and queen too

I'd also argue this is also 100% due to Oda not having a clear picture about future powerscaling. Oda hadn't even invented armament hardening back then, and idea of conqueror's coating was in it's infancy
Crocodile is another victim to this as well.

Magellan ~ Shillew (pre Fruit)

And Shiliew is BB pirate's 2nd in command

Luffy's punch got Magellan to his knees

If BB is weakling for taking damage (but still pretty much fine) from Luffy while in troll mode, then so are Shilew and Magellan

 

[Crimson Ice]

Luffy could hurt crocodile magellan and Blackbeard who were all powerhouses
I will counter that one shanks said Blackbeard is strong , Blackbeard could have become the division 2 commander if he wanted , he just wasn't interested, and this was on pure hand to hand combat skills ( ace asked him pre gura gura why he didn't take seat, he was still feigning lack of ambition )
Gura gura
Blackbeard is crushing cracker doflamingo and Jack please come on , he's stronger than all 3 , and I see him beating smoothie and queen too

BB being 'hurt' by Luffy isn't even a big deal. BB reacts to damage the same way damn near regardless who attacks him. Downplaying BB's durability by saying Luffy hurt him would require you to ignore that he's taken blows from Sengoku and WB. Teach's durability is insane.