One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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7. Law having CoC currently.
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[Nie Li]

If you line up feats, Queen was by far the more impressive of the two (between him and King) but he was a clown at the same time. I think it just made him all the more impressive.

There really is no comparison. King was not very useless overall. His most useful feat was knocking away the Big Mom Pirates and that was prior to the Raid.

Because Queen was very impressive or did anything "useful"... Stop hating on everything that Zoro touches.

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- The first guy tanks two CoC imbued attacks in speed mode, and entirely ignores them in defense mode. The same guy moves at least as fast as Sanji while on speed mode.

The second guy gets beaten by normal CoA imbued attacks strengthened by fire and a speed comparable to the first guy.

Veredict: The second guy has better feats.

- The first guy makes it so the Big Mom pirates don't make it to Onigashima.

The second guy throws a virus to kill fodder samurai at the price of severely weakening his own army.

Veredict: The second guy was more useful.



Let's go further ahead with this trend: Cracker has better feats and was more useful than Katakuri because Luffy wasn't able to take him down with G4 and would have lost if not for Nami aiding him.


I don't get King's downplaying. As little screentime as King's fight actually got (two chapters of actual fight), Oda still went out of his way to demonstrate in that little panel time why he's the YC1 other than his increible resilience and endurance.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Because Queen was very impressive or did anything "useful"... Stop hating on everything that Zoro touches.

Zoro has nothing to do with this at all as and is a complete not fact to my point. On their merits Queen contributed far more to the Beast Pirates than King did during the raid and that's a fact.

 

[Nie Li]

Zoro has nothing to do with this at all as and is a complete not fact to my point. On their merits Queen contributed far more to the Beast Pirates than King did during the raid and that's a fact.

An extremely subjective "fact" as stated on my post.

And yeah, "a complete not fact", but oh and behold, yet again, you have a very iffy "fact" that indirectly goes against Zoro.

 

[Pirate Queen]

An extremely subjective "fact" as stated on my post.

And yeah, "a complete not fact", but oh and behold, yet again, you have a very iffy "fact" that indirectly goes against Zoro.

Sure thing bud. How it goes against Zoro is completely idiotic reasoning. I am not saying King was weaker than Queen which seems to be the only thing upsetting you right now

 

[thedude]

Because Queen was very impressive or did anything "useful"... Stop hating on everything that Zoro touches.

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- The first guy tanks two CoC imbued attacks in speed mode, and entirely ignores them in defense mode. The same guy moves at least as fast as Sanji while on speed mode.

The second guy gets beaten by normal CoA imbued attacks strengthened by fire and a speed comparable to the first guy.

Veredict: The second guy has better feats.

- The first guy makes it so the Big Mom pirates don't make it to Onigashima.

The second guy throws a virus to kill fodder samurai at the price of severely weakening his own army.

Veredict: The second guy was more useful.



Let's go further ahead with this trend: Cracker has better feats and was more useful than Katakuri because Luffy wasn't able to take him down with G4 and would have lost if not for Nami aiding him.


I don't get King's downplaying. As little screentime as King's fight actually got (two chapters of actual fight), Oda still went out of his way to demonstrate in that little panel time why he's the YC1 other than his increible resilience and endurance.

Lol, Cracker better feats than Katakuri? The guy who saved the entire BM pirates by giving them mochi ear pluts and then prevented Bege's castle from being able to fire cannons at BM while she was defenseless did less than Cracker who...delayed Luffy for a few hours?

 

[Nie Li]

Sure thing bud. How it goes against Zoro is completely idiotic reasoning. I am not saying King was weaker than Queen which seems to be the only thing upsetting you right now

You may call it idiotic, but that's a fact. You always do.

I addressed the usefulness of King and Queen in the raid in my post, don't make it even more obvious that you didn't even read it.

Lol, Cracker better feats than Katakuri? The guy who saved the entire BM pirates by giving them mochi ear pluts and then prevented Bege's castle from being able to fire cannons at BM while she was defenseless did less than Cracker who...delayed Luffy for a few hours?

Dude, sarcasm.

 

[catagon87]

Dumb argument. King is the MVP of Wano. Hands down.

If he hadn't knocked the Big Mom Pirates down the waterfall then the raid's success rate would have plummeted having to deal with BM, Kaido, AND the BMP that were brought to Wano (which included Smoothie). In his heart, King had Joyboy's best interest in mind all along.

 

[Nie Li]

Dumb argument. King is the MVP of Wano. Hands down.

If he hadn't knocked the Big Mom Pirates down the waterfall then the raid's success rate would have plummeted having to deal with BM, Kaido, AND the BMP that were brought to Wano (which included Smoothie). In his heart, King had Joyboy's best interest in mind all along.

Tbf at the time they were enemies.

The argument here, at best, would be who between King and Queen sabotaged the Beasts Pirates more. The guy who infected his own soldiers with a deadly virus (and didn't get any benefit from that all in the end) and caused them all in the plaza to turn against him and the crew. Or the guy who had previously prevented strong allies to show up to the island pre-raid.

Other than that both helped equally around the battlefield.

 

[hokageji]

i think Queen was the best as well, and the only beast pirates who potentially can feature on his own cover story arc going forward... Queen travels the world starting with being washed off Wano and losing his memory.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

If you just mean the core crewmates alone, then yea they can't compete.

I can agree with that.

But that's because they are severely lacking in numbers.




Hold on, let's not get too ahead of ourselves here.

If the fully navy really tried, they'd stomp SHP (with Grand Fleet) pretty easily.
(And, the Scabbards, Law, Kid, Marco, Minks etc are only "allies". They are their own faction. They aren't a part of the Grand Fleet and shouldn't be considered a part of the SHP.)

In Marineford, Garp and Sengoku didn't do anything at all. Old Garp should be relative to old WB, considering peak WB and peak Garp were relative. Sengoku should be around the same ballpark too, even if weaker.
Aokiji and Kizaru were only semi serious. Only Akainu actually fought fully serious and gave his 100% in that battle.


So, 2 out of the top 5 in Navy didn't fight. 2 fought, but wasn't bloodlusted. Only 1 actually fought at his max.
And this isn't even considering the Shichibukai here, amongst whom all were only semi serious as well. (c
They STILL defeated the WB pirates convincingly, which was easily the strongest Yonko crew when it was active.

To take on the full force of Navy, 3 Yonko crews need to make an alliance.


Right now, IMO:
Navy >> WB crew > SHP > Beast pirates >= BM pirates




Ehh, Queen is a clown. But aside from that, beast pirates were fine.
King is probably stronger than Katakuri, and would've won against Zoro if he played a bit smarter. Jack was fine as well, he lost to Sulong Cat, a much stronger opponent.
Two Tobiroppo were basically taken out by BM, and one defected. If they actually fought without these conditions, we would've felt them to be lot more threatening.

Beast Pirates are overall comparable to BM pirates. With slight edge to Beast Pirates. Kaido is slightly stronger than BM. King slightly stronger than Katakuri. Cracker slightly stronger than Jack. Tobiroppo and executives relative to each other. Beast pirates have better grunts due to gifters.



Yeah, the current "YC" is only referring to Kaido and BM crew structure. So, top 3.

Is it representative of other Yonko crews? Don't think so.
- WB pirates had 16 commanders, all equal in authority. But we all know here that the top 5 are the special: Marco, Ace, Jozu, Thatch, Vista. So they are probably the equivalent of "YC" in power level.
- BB pirates have 10 commanders.
- Red Hair pirates: we don't know what their power structure is. But if we're considering the narrative, then "YC" structure fits well for them as well. With Ben Beckman, the fat guy and Yassop


If we're looking at purely powerlevels, and consider King as the benchmark of YC1.
Then characters like Marco, Rayleigh and Oden (and likely Ben Beckman) won't fit in here. There isn't much of a parity between the Yonko crews. Oden and peak Rayleigh are (most likYonko tiers for example.



Isn't Ace straight up considered a "YC" ?

He was YC2, and groomed to be the heir apparent to Whitebeard.



Yep, basically this. 100%

Saw this edit after I wrote the entire thing lol

I consider ace probably a YC2 in strength but Marco vista and jozu seemed to have higher status in the crew too
Also while Blackbeard does have 10 commanders , the hierarchy of authority depends
Shiryuu is the clear no 2 in strength in BB crew
And Marco a clear two of the WB pirates
We’d see more about BB and shanks power structure in coming weeks

 

[grey matter]

Tbf at the time they were enemies.

The argument here, at best, would be who between King and Queen sabotaged the Beasts Pirates more. The guy who infected his own soldiers with a deadly virus (and didn't get any benefit from that all in the end) and caused them all in the plaza to turn against him and the crew. Or the guy who had previously prevented strong allies to show up to the island pre-raid.

Other than that both helped equally around the battlefield.

Tbf to Queen, nobody could've foreseen arrival of Marco who stopped the virus in the entire arena for hours, and someone as skilled as Chopper making the antibody in the opening.

If not for that, Queen could've taken down a considerable chunk of the alliance by himself, as well a Strawhat (Chopper)

The dude can be devastating if he stays behind the front line and wrecks havoc.

I consider ace probably a YC2 in strength but Marco vista and jozu seemed to have higher status in the crew too
Also while Blackbeard does have 10 commanders , the hierarchy of authority depends
Shiryuu is the clear no 2 in strength in BB crew
And Marco a clear two of the WB pirates
We’d see more about BB and shanks power structure in coming weeks

I mean, Ace is also holding the same position that Oden previously did. By pure power yeah, he's probably borderline YC1 level IMO.
As for authority, apparently Oda said all 16 commanders are equals. But anyway, we all know the 1-5 commanders are built different, and amongst them Marco was special. Which we saw later on as well, since he inherited the WB pirates.


Shanks' structure.....we have some hints.
Ben Beckman is treated as Shanks' partner, in the same way Rayleigh was for Roger. (light-)King/dark-King vs Sun/Moon.
Three people were name dropped by the marines - Beckman, Lucky Roo and Yassop. So, seems like a trio here, with Beckman being the clear no2.

For BB, isn't Shiryu just the 2nd strongest, rather than ? Wrt to authority, we don't know.

 

[Pirate Queen]

i think Queen was the best as well, and the only beast pirates who potentially can feature on his own cover story arc going forward... Queen travels the world starting with being washed off Wano and losing his memory.

In a war scenario, especially an invasion, no sane leader is going to choose King over Queen from what we saw. The mummy and ice Oni virus alone makes Queen a more useful asset.

There is a reason why a corrupt use government spares the Nazi scientists that participated in heinous crimes just so they could work for the US instead of rotting in a prison cell. Queen is a top scientist in the OP world with a unique skill set that not even Marco was able to stop. It took quite literally the smartest doctor in One Piece to stop a virus that would have single handedly defeated an entire army(2 if you count Queen's own that were unfortunate enough to be Canon fodder.) The Oni virus caused huge casualties and the Alliance was still heavy out numbered on the performace floor even as of last chapter. The risks Queen took unleashing it was an overall net positive for the Beast Pirate with the only one capable of stopping him from taking the Live Floor was Chopper.

People also like to forget Queen was the one that rooted out a MAJOR spy among the Flying 6 once Hawkins relayed the information. Forced XDrake to reveal his true colors.

Queen pretty much maintained control of the Entire Performace floor until Zoro and Sanji entered the stage.

Still, he was a too much a gag for my liking.


I also think he had potential for a Cover Story Arc, bit I'd settle for one flash back of him and Judge back in there heyday working together to flesh out the Lineage Factor with Vegapunk

 

[Sogeking sama]

Dumb argument. King is the MVP of Wano. Hands down.

If he hadn't knocked the Big Mom Pirates down the waterfall then the raid's success rate would have plummeted having to deal with BM, Kaido, AND the BMP that were brought to Wano (which included Smoothie). In his heart, King had Joyboy's best interest in mind all along.

Actually it's marco. Eventhought king kick BM ship, they still manage to come back before the raid. Till marco kick them again. I don't see luffy alliances can win if marco didn't come to wano

Tbf at the time they were enemies.

The argument here, at best, would be who between King and Queen sabotaged the Beasts Pirates more. The guy who infected his own soldiers with a deadly virus (and didn't get any benefit from that all in the end) and caused them all in the plaza to turn against him and the crew. Or the guy who had previously prevented strong allies to show up to the island pre-raid.

Other than that both helped equally around the battlefield.

Actually to be fair, almost all of queen & king effort became useless. But let me reminds you, King kick bm's ship but they still manage to survive & came back before raid, it's marco who make them can't come back till end of the raid.

Fatal mistake, king action even made BM loss her memory, became tama's friend, let them break udon, rescue luffy & gain thousands of new alliances, make BM beat page one & ulti, 2 of the strongest power from beast pirates, not just fodder subordinate.

And if we read it correctly, king also treat their subordinate just like queen did. He randomly attack everyone when face marco. He even especially target his own soldiers when he go mad after zoro break his mask.

At least, queen did 1 action that became big benefit for beast pirates, he manage to take down BM and bring her to kaido. End up BM became beast pirates alliance & help them handle the raid. It will be hard for kaido if BM wasn't there. Law & kid can help luffy to beat kaido or simply go rampage destroy beast pirates.

If you compared it, you can't even compare king to jack. Look what jack did, permanently removed 1 of neko's arm & 1 of inu's leg. Althought they win, they will still loss their arm & leg forever.

And anyway, jack can do that thx to weapon gas created by queen.

I'm not fans of queen, king is more badass & strong. But if we talk about who is more useful, queen win.


When come to badass character, many peoples always became blind and can't argue objectively, and think their favorite badass character win in every aspects.

Technically compare queen & king just like compare zoro & sanji. Zoro more badass as character, get the chance to handle stronger opponent & has higher popularity, but if we talk about useful, almost in every arc sanji always being usefull & save the day. But even zoro fans will deny this fact. I think it's the same case like king & queen here

 

[Pirate Queen]

Actually it's marco. Eventhought king kick BM ship, they still manage to come back before the raid. Till marco kick them again. I don't see luffy alliances can win if marco didn't come to wano




Actually to be fair, almost all of queen & king effort became useless. But let me reminds you, King kick bm's ship but they still manage to survive & came back before raid, it's marco who make them can't come back till end of the raid.

Fatal mistake, king action even made BM loss her memory, became tama's friend, let them break udon, rescue luffy & gain thousands of new alliances, make BM beat page one & ulti, 2 of the strongest power from beast pirates, not just fodder subordinate.

And if we read it correctly, king also treat their subordinate just like queen did. He randomly attack everyone when face marco. He even especially target his own soldiers when he go mad after zoro break his mask.

At least, queen did 1 action that became big benefit for beast pirates, he manage to take down BM and bring her to kaido. End up BM became beast pirates alliance & help them handle the raid. It will be hard for kaido if BM wasn't there. Law & kid can help luffy to beat kaido or simply go rampage destroy beast pirates.

If you compared it, you can't even compare king to jack. Look what jack did, permanently removed 1 of neko's arm & 1 of inu's leg. Althought they win, they will still loss their arm & leg forever.

And anyway, jack can do that thx to weapon gas created by queen.

I'm not fans of queen, king is more badass & strong. But if we talk about who is more useful, queen win

THANK YOU, points I missed entirely. I was more focused on the raid. But the points you brought up directly effect the Raid.

 

[Nie Li]

Tbf to Queen, nobody could've foreseen arrival of Marco who stopped the virus in the entire arena for hours, and someone as skilled as Chopper making the antibody in the opening.

If not for that, Queen could've taken down a considerable chunk of the alliance by himself, as well a Strawhat (Chopper)

The dude can be devastating if he stays behind the front line and wrecks havoc.

I agree that he was unlucky that the virus was stopped, but I don't think he would have been "useful" if he was successful.

What would he have achieved? Those infected were fodder samurais that he and King could have doubleteamed at any time, and a big chunk of his own foot soldiers... and well, yeah, Chopper. If his subordinates were somehow vaccinated or something to his inventions then yeah, Queen would be an incredible asset in a battlefield , but, as we know, despite actually having a vaccine ready, he doesn't want to share it and doesn't care what happens to his soldiers.

To me, he's in fact a liability rather than a big asset in a big battle.

It's more of a personality issue than an skills issue, but he sabotages his own "usefulness".

Actually to be fair, almost all of queen & king effort became useless. But let me reminds you, King kick bm's ship but they still manage to survive & came back before raid, it's marco who make them can't come back till end of the raid.

Fatal mistake, king action even made BM loss her memory, became tama's friend, let them break udon, rescue luffy & gain thousands of new alliances, make BM beat page one & ulti, 2 of the strongest power from beast pirates, not just fodder subordinate.

And if we read it correctly, king also treat their subordinate just like queen did. He randomly attack everyone when face marco. He even especially target his own soldiers when he go mad after zoro break his mask.

At least, queen did 1 action that became big benefit for beast pirates, he manage to take down BM and bring her to kaido. End up BM became beast pirates alliance & help them handle the raid. It will be hard for kaido if BM wasn't there. Law & kid can help luffy to beat kaido or simply go rampage destroy beast pirates.

If you compared it, you can't even compare king to jack. Look what jack did, permanently removed 1 of neko's arm & 1 of inu's leg. Althought they win, they will still loss their arm & leg forever.

And anyway, jack can do that thx to weapon gas created by queen.

I'm not fans of queen, king is more badass & strong. But if we talk about who is more useful, queen win

We were talking specifically of the raid, Queen did do useful things outside of it.

In the raid King did murder his subordinates for seeing his race traits (he knows he has to keep it a secret badly... although Queen did a huge loredump about him to Sanji for no good reason. That's also not useful). They aren't very different, they both don't care about collateral damage, but I see Queen's virus thing on a whole different light.


Let me make another thing clear here: I never called Queen useless, I heavily defended both him and King when they fought Marco and everyone pissed on them. The statements that started this, and that I'm rebuting, were: "Queen was by far more impressive than King by feats" and "Queen was more useful, there's really not even a comparison" regarding the raid.

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If you compared it, you can't even compare king to jack. Look what jack did, permanently removed 1 of neko's arm & 1 of inu's leg. Althought they win, they will still loss their arm & leg forever.

Then I guess Kaido, who didn't kill or maim anyone outside a 20 year old flashback, can't even be compared to Jack. See how that's not really a good way to measure who's more useful? Unless we understand different things by "being useful".

Technically compare queen & king just like compare zoro & sanji. Zoro more badass as character, get the chance to handle stronger opponent & has higher popularity if we talk about useful, almost in every arc sanji always being usefull & save the day. But even zoro fans will be deny this fact. I think it's the same case like king & queen here

Not a good point in my personal opinion. Is Sanji useful? Yes. A lot. Absolutely. Is he more useful than Zoro? No. Only if you don't think defeating the stronger opponent is useful, which it is, and only if you also ignore the times he becomes an absolute liability for no good reason (for example, the Black Maria deal).

 

[Pirate Queen]

King's contributions to the Raid was the shared responsibility of holding off Marco (a job shared with Queen) and fighting off Zoro (which he failed, but managed to take Zoro off the board as well) that's all he did.

Queen had feats and proved more useful in this raid with his versitility. These facts cannot be ignored. People just don't know how to seperate their bias from objectively true versatility..

Queen actually turned the tide of battle several times during the battle where King played the role of a powerful soldier.

I recall the only order he gave out was to kill momo, which was pretty much obvious the the executives.

If we are talking just combat feats, King is the more impressive one. But that isn't what's being discussed. Power level encompasses more than just attack power.

 

[grey matter]

agree that he was unlucky that the virus was stopped, but I don't think he would have been "useful" if he was successful.

What would he have achieved? Those infected were fodder samurais that he and King could have doubleteamed at any time, and a big chunk of his own foot soldiers... and well, yeah, Chopper. If his subordinates were somehow vaccinated or something to his inventions then yeah, Queen would be an incredible asset in a battlefield , but, as we know, despite actually having a vaccine ready, he doesn't want to share it and doesn't care what happens to his soldiers.

To me, he's in fact a liability rather than a big asset in a big battle.

It's more of a personality issue than an skills issue, but he sabotages his own "usefulness".

When you put it that way, kinda true.
But still, you have to look at it from a numbers perspective as well. Samurai's were concentrated in that area.

That virus takes out 50% of the alliance, while maybe 10% of the BP.

Can King and Queen take out the fodder Samurai? Yeah. But not when there are other strong characters to keep them busy. Marco alone kept them busy for hours.

 

[Nie Li]

King's contributions to the Raid was the shared responsibility of holding off Marco (a job shared with Queen) and fighting off Zoro (which he failed, but managed to take Zoro off the board as well) that's all he did.

Queen had feats and proved more useful in this raid with his versitility. These facts cannot be ignored. People just don't know how to seperate their bias from objectively true versatility..

Queen actually turned the tide of battle several times during the battle where King played the role of a powerful soldier.

I recall the only order he gave out was to kill momo, which was pretty much obvious the the executives.

If we are talking just combat feats, King is the more impressive one. But that isn't what's being discussed. Power level encompasses more than just attack power.

This conversation certainly isn't about power level: power level doesn't encompass giving orders.

For discussion's sake, let's say that you're not the one biased. Explain to me how I'm wrong and tell me: when did Queen turn the tide of battle in favor of his army?

He changed the tide of the battle when he used the virus... by sacrificing a good chunk of his own army to take down a good chunk of a weaker army of enemies. Not a good move.

He changed the tide of the battle when he confronted Drake... who he failed to take down and was forced to openly join Luffy's side because of Queen (and of Who's Who, who shares the blame here). That move didn't turn out well either.


The way I see it, he was as much a help as he was a liability. Changing the tide of battle isn't necessarily a thing to praise.

 

[Pirate Queen]

When you put it that way, kinda true.
But still, you have to look at it from a numbers perspective as well. Samurai's were concentrated in that area.

That virus takes out 50% of the alliance, while maybe 10% of the BP.

Can King and Queen take out the fodder Samurai? Yeah. But not when there are other strong characters to keep them busy. Marco alone kept them busy for hours.

There is a panel last chapter that has a Beast Pirate on the Performance Floor revealed they still had a significant numbers advantage over the Alliance. Just fodder, but this Raid has been a numbers game from the beginning. Just an observation

 

[Sogeking sama]

Then I guess Kaido, who didn't kill or maim anyone outside a 20 year old flashback, can't even be compared to Jack. See how that's not really a good way to measure who's more useful? Unless we understand different things by "being useful".

Not a good point in my personal opinion. Is Sanji useful? Yes. A lot. Absolutely. Is he more useful than Zoro? No. Only if you don't think defeating the stronger opponent is useful, which it is, and only if you also ignore the times he becomes an absolute liability for no good reason (for example, the Black Maria deal).

Beat strong enemy in another league that only him who can do that task is really a big feats. It's like if no one can't beat that guy all of your plan will be messed up.

It's what happen to kaido & luffy case, different from zoro sanji & king queen.

Remove kaido, then no one can beat oden, beast pirates can't even rule wano from the start.

Remove luffy, althought they're already win all of another battle, kaido will kill all of them then they still lose. Just like zoro said when luffy handle lucci.

But zoro, sanji, king, queen is different. They only simply handle strong enemy but not at different league, not like it's only them who can did that task.

It's great feats, but you can't compare it to kaido/luffy.

For example, remove zoro/sanji, yamato still can handle king/queen. But if you remove luffy, they're death meat.

Remove king, queen still can handle akazaya. Remove queen, king still can handle akazaya. Remove kaido, no chance they win againts oden & take over wano.

Another example, like at marineford arc. Jozu stall stronger opponents, but it's not like only he who can did that task. He block aokiji & hawkeye attack to wb, but even without jozu wb still will be fine. And we already see ace can subtitue jozu to stall aokiji.

But, if we look to oars jr. Althought he can't stall any strong guy at all. Thx to him wb's pirates didn't end up became death meat inside iron wall & thx to him wb & the rest can process enter the plaza to save ace. And no one can subtitue oars jr to did that task, even wb himself.

If we talk about feats, oars jr had bigger feats than jozu.

It's just simply like that