One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[grey matter]

I didn’t say there were weaklings. Are you saying the Beast Pirates are weaklings? That’s why they lost?



I liked the effort & fight they put up against Kaido also.

You both responded but totally ignored what I said……

I was trying to highlight the story telling of how the opportunities of overcoming adversity that is provided to protagonist compared to the antagonist.

If Green Bull rlly did Low-Diff the Remaining Beat Pirates with their commanders;

He should be doing the same to the Scabbards….

He’s not however because the Story needs to told. Meaning Oda was just hyping up Green Bull, & a fight with the Beast Pirates & commanders should have resulted in a similar manner

I think Greenbull low diffing King + Queen is a function of both.
Oda wanted to hype up Greenbull with it. King and Queen were also injured, and unlike Luffy and co, weren't treated well. Additionally, King is missing at least a wing, Queen is missing his cybernetic arm.


And lastly, you need to consider that this is a collective of Scabbards + Yamato + Momo.
I'd say Scabbards collectively are a bit stronger than King + Queen collectively (healthy), Yamato and Momo are also strong. So, this is a lot more than just facing Scabbards alone, which I agree should be low-mid diff'd by an admiral. Additionally, this isn't off screen, while entirety of King + Queen was off screen,

 

[albertwv]

]Yamato and Scabbards vs Green Bull. I don't even count Momo, far as I know he is a weakling Among them.
I can see Yamato, Denjiro, Cat, and Dog stall Green Bull but not defeat him without a full on battle, which probably won't happen.

Oda did both YCs wrong even if they were imprisoned and weakened. The whole thing was rushed. I don't like it.
So GB's df is Forest-forest logia but when Momo bit him (without haki), it seem to be a normal paramecia fruit.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Oda did both YCs wrong even if they were imprisoned and weakened.

I don't think so. We see how terribly weak Luffy was under seastone cuff in Udon prison. He got low-diffed by Babanuki. That's similar to getting low-diffed by Bellamy.
Even if there were 10 Luffy's in that circumstance. They'll all be dispatched pretty easily by someone like Bellamy.

King is comparable to Luffy at that point and even worse with injuries and same seastone cuff limitations. It'd be a shame if the Admiral didn't defeat them in seconds.

 

[Bandit99]

Do y’all think we’ll ever get combo moves from the monster trio again?

 

[HereNThere]

Do y’all think we’ll ever get combo moves from the monster trio again?

Given their current trajectory, probably not. Unless they all get angered by someone to a point where they each want a turn to delete them.

 

[Bandit99]

Given their current trajectory, probably not. Unless they all get angered by someone to a point where they each want a turn to delete them.

“Delete them” is hilarious

 

[LadyVados]

Do y’all think we’ll ever get combo moves from the monster trio again?

A combo move to destroy the red line ?

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

A combo move to destroy the red line ?

Nice theory

 

[_goshi]

I keep wondering how current Shanks'd fare against current Rayleigh.

 

[shailks]

I keep wondering how current Shanks'd fare against current Rayleigh.

Easily in favour of Shanks. It might start as par in the beginning but in an extended fight Rayleigh should tire out given he has been out of the game for so long and is old. Same for Shanks vs any former admirals, Garp etc. They are not going to one shot Shanks and should lose in an extended fight.

 

[grey matter]

I keep wondering how current Shanks'd fare against current Rayleigh.

Shanks high diff

We've seen that Rayleigh is perfectly capable of fighting at high level, from his seemingly evenly matched fight against Kizaru.
But it was implied that Rayleigh was tiring out faster, he lacks the stamina to maintain that high level for long due to being old and out of shape (retired for 20 years without fighting)

 

[_goshi]

Easily in favour of Shanks. It might start as par in the beginning but in an extended fight Rayleigh should tire out given he has been out of the game for so long and is old. Same for Shanks vs any former admirals, Garp etc. They are not going to one shot Shanks and should lose in an extended fight.

Shanks high diff

We've seen that Rayleigh is perfectly capable of fighting at high level, from his seemingly evenly matched fight against Kizaru.
But it was implied that Rayleigh was tiring out faster, he lacks the stamina to maintain that high level for long due to being old and out of shape (retired for 20 years without fighting)

Makes sense. I'm way too thirsty for some Shanks action. My mind keeps pitting him against everyone and their grandmother.

 

[albertwv]

I don't think so. We see how terribly weak Luffy was under seastone cuff in Udon prison. He got low-diffed by Babanuki. That's similar to getting low-diffed by Bellamy.
Even if there were 10 Luffy's in that circumstance. They'll all be dispatched pretty easily by someone like Bellamy.

King is comparable to Luffy at that point and even worse with injuries and same seastone cuff limitations. It'd be a shame if the Admiral didn't defeat them in seconds.

When did Luffy lose to Babanuki? Luffy took a hit from Babanuki but wasn't out. If you claim he got low-diff then it would the same as saying Luffy got low-diff by Apoo and we know how that went during the discussions...

King and Queen were weakened, but we don't know how weakened. It had been at least 7 days since their defeat. Granted they look like they were still injured at least King who had head bandages (I doubt from GB). We could not see if they had Seastone cuffs. I would assume they did if not they would have escaped awhile ago, especially King who has flying powers.
Assuming they had sealstone cuffs on and were still recovering. I would have expected a better fight versus GB, but Oda and his infinite wisdom decided to rush everything and show us panels of GB easily overtaking King and Queen.

Now I wouldn't even be surprised if Kaido and BM were imprisoned there and GB showed up, he would have taken them down both easily as well, due to Oda's writing.

 

[M3J]

I can see Rayleigh winning tbh, might be stronger than the emperors still.

 

[grey matter]

I can see Rayleigh winning tbh, might be stronger than the emperors still.

Rayleigh has the stats to complete, but doesn't have the stamina.

He was slowly getting tired while fighting Kizaru, while Kizaru wasn't.

 

[Fox666]

Rayleigh has the stats to complete, but doesn't have the stamina.

He was slowly getting tired while fighting Kizaru, while Kizaru wasn't.

Old people in the One Piece world doesn't get weaker

I don't think Rayleigh lacked stamina because he was old, but because he was out of shape

I wonder if it's possible he trained in the last 2 years too?

 

[shailks]

Old people in the One Piece world doesn't get weaker

I don't think Rayleigh lacked stamina because he was old, but because he was out of shape

I wonder if it's possible he trained in the last 2 years too?

If he did then it could be different, enough to beat Shanks though? It’s tough to call, given we don’t know much about his level. I would say he on par with Oden and a cut below WB and Roger. Shanks tied with WB, although they weren’t fighting seriously.
The main argument is still that retired folks (garp, rayleigh, sengoku), have retired for a reason. They might not have the drive and don’t think they can reliably compete at the topmost levels anymore, or you know age has finally caught up with them. Age in itself is not a factor, until the story makes it so. It was shown that Hyogoro was a lot stronger in his prime, same for Chinjao i suppose so normally age is still a factor.

on the flip side, IM could be immortal, the gorosei definitely are old but they all could still be powerhouses.

 

[Fox666]

If he did then it could be different, enough to beat Shanks though? It’s tough to call, given we don’t know much about his level. I would say he on par with Oden and a cut below WB and Roger. Shanks tied with WB, although they weren’t fighting seriously.
The main argument is still that retired folks (garp, rayleigh, sengoku), have retired for a reason. They might not have the drive and don’t think they can reliably compete at the topmost levels anymore, or you know age has finally caught up with them. Age in itself is not a factor, until the story makes it so. It was shown that Hyogoro was a lot stronger in his prime, same for Chinjao i suppose so normally age is still a factor.

on the flip side, IM could be immortal, the gorosei definitely are old but they all could still be powerhouses.

Hmmm

Chinjao was said to be weak, and Hyogoro spend decades with malnutrition. I think that's it?

 

[shailks]

Hmmm

Chinjao was said to be weak, and Chinjao spend decades with malnutrition. I think that's it?

Sure they are external factors, illness with WB, malnutrition with hyogoro etc but here is Garp himself saying he isn’t as strong as he used to be.

what i am trying to get across is that these characters are still pretty strong but would lose in an extended battle, especially to a yonkou like Shanks, and could be a reason why they chose to retire.

 

[LadyVados]

Luffy has relatively poor stamina in his super forms and can still get wins. A high intensity burst can be enough to beat another character.