One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[JStackz26]

I'll just throw this in there since I really don't have time or energy to cycle through comments. Well Volume 99 ended with Sanji looking like a major wimpy character to some people. Basically the last or one of the last pages is him trapped by Black Maria.
Then Volume 100 has the cover with Sanji on it saying Haoshkoku with 4 other Haoshoku Haki users.
Now there apparently is chapter 1010 with it with Haoshoku as the title and Luffy using ACoc.
So now at least 3 of the 5 have ACoC. Of course we don't know how far Ace progressed but assuming the Yamato battle,
it is possible Ace actually did already have it or eventually developed it.
Now the other thing that Volume came before Zoro used CoC and Luffy ACoC (even if it happened within the volume).
Quite possible the transition from Sanji in the middle helpless to foreshadowing Sanji with it, to Sanji evntually having it.
I mean if you think about it, since Oda put Ace in the Haoshoku user cover well, he could have easily used Oden instead
of Sanji since it was Wano and Oden is a Haoshoku Haki user. But he used Sanji.


That isn't current Sanji but a thing to possibly look out for that may come true. Hopefully for the Sanji fans.

 

[goldb]

I'll just throw this in there since I really don't have time or energy to cycle through comments. Well Volume 99 ended with Sanji looking like a major wimpy character to some people. Basically the last or one of the last pages is him trapped by Black Maria.
Then Volume 100 has the cover with Sanji on it saying Haoshkoku with 4 other Haoshoku Haki users.
Now there apparently is chapter 1010 with it with Haoshoku as the title and Luffy using ACoc.
So now at least 3 of the 5 have ACoC. Of course we don't know how far Ace progressed but assuming the Yamato battle,
it is possible Ace actually did already have it or eventually developed it.
Now the other thing that Volume came before Zoro used CoC and Luffy ACoC (even if it happened within the volume).
Quite possible the transition from Sanji in the middle helpless to foreshadowing Sanji with it, to Sanji evntually having it.
I mean if you think about it, since Oda put Ace in the Haoshoku user cover well, he could have easily used Oden instead
of Sanji since it was Wano and Oden is a Haoshoku Haki user. But he used Sanji.


That isn't current Sanji but a thing to possibly look out for that may come true. Hopefully for the Sanji fans.

If the volume cover is your evidence behind this then I disagree. The characters that were on the cover are all relevant to different chapters within that volume. Them(minus Sanji) having CoC is more of a coincidence than foreshadowing from Oda.

I personally don't think Sanji will have CoC nor does he need it, but that's not to say I wouldn't welcome it. It's just not necessary for him to have it; his dream doesn't require to him to be of a particular strength level to achieve it. And you also already have 2(3 if Oda has Yamato join) users, an additional one is, again, not necessary.

For him, I'd rather see him develop Future Sight to Luffy/Katakuri's level.

 

[HereNThere]

I'll just throw this in there since I really don't have time or energy to cycle through comments. Well Volume 99 ended with Sanji looking like a major wimpy character to some people. Basically the last or one of the last pages is him trapped by Black Maria.
Then Volume 100 has the cover with Sanji on it saying Haoshkoku with 4 other Haoshoku Haki users.
Now there apparently is chapter 1010 with it with Haoshoku as the title and Luffy using ACoc.
So now at least 3 of the 5 have ACoC. Of course we don't know how far Ace progressed but assuming the Yamato battle,
it is possible Ace actually did already have it or eventually developed it.
Now the other thing that Volume came before Zoro used CoC and Luffy ACoC (even if it happened within the volume).
Quite possible the transition from Sanji in the middle helpless to foreshadowing Sanji with it, to Sanji evntually having it.
I mean if you think about it, since Oda put Ace in the Haoshoku user cover well, he could have easily used Oden instead
of Sanji since it was Wano and Oden is a Haoshoku Haki user. But he used Sanji.


That isn't current Sanji but a thing to possibly look out for that may come true. Hopefully for the Sanji fans.

I was just thinking about this recently.

Now, I'm a Sanji stan. If Sanji had CoC, I'd be more than fine with it, and, depending on the day, I'm all in on him having it. Even on those days, using Volume 100's cover is pretty flimsy reasoning, in my opinion. At most, it'd be a nice easter egg once it's all said it done, but it being the sole hint would be pretty weak. I personally prefer this route here:



And his unwillingness to do anything despite being in danger against Black Maria is less about him being helpless and more about him finally asking for help. It's more of paying off a character arc rather than setting up CoC.

Luffy having more than 2 CoC users on his crew aside from him seems like a potential possibility. Mainly because, in my opinion, it'd show how he is a King among Kings, being charismatic enough to even charm other Kings to be under him and be loyal to him. I mean, it doesn't even end in his crew. Katakuri, Hancock, Chin Jao, Shanks, and Rayleigh are all charmed with Luffy and have completely allied themselves to him. It's pretty ridiculous, but it makes sense for the chosen one.

And should have it, he would likely just be someone who could use the base form, not among the strongest handful to use the more advanced version.

Now, despite all of that, I'd be fine if he didn't have it. He isn't a lesser character for it and Oda is still going to have him be a formidable character without it, leaning into the whole Power of Science aspect which should be getting a bit more development pretty soon with Vegapunk, MADS, the SSG, and the Science Mink.

 

[M3J]

I think Sanji does show signs of CoC because he's confident, can draw people to him (Pudding, Iva, etc), and can lead when needed. The only thing though is that he doesn't want to conquer, but neither did Whitebeard (and so far, Shanks and Ace?), and they still had/have CoC.

 

[shailks]

Oh so now people who are attractive to the opposite gender have CoC? Then why not Nami and Robin? Nami has been shown to have her way with men (shopkeepers for instance). She was technically able to lead those geezers from the sky island too.

 

[M3J]

Did you read the entire post or did you just read few words?

 

[shailks]

Did you read the entire post or did you just read few words?

Yes but don’t think there is any evidence or inclination that Sanji has CoC, not that I would mind it. In terms of individual goals Luffy and Zoro appear more likely to have one, and they have it. Yamato is a wildcard like Oden and already has it so no questions there.

As a more serious counter, Buggy leads a lot of strong people but I don’t think he has it either. I would be very surprised if he is shown to have CoC.

 

[M3J]

I didn't say he has it, but that there are indications he might have it. He's made allies out of enemies or people that were mistrustful, just as Luffy has. Sanji can draw people to him until he's being way too creepy, and that ability to draw people is one thing in common amongst most CoC users. Zoro having one would be for a different reason, mainly his self-confidence and ability to be a conqueror if he really wanted to.

idk, I'm not going to count Buggy out because while he is weak and doesn't aim to be a king over finding treasures, he does have this ability to acquire allies and followers. Even Luffy wasn't able to gain strong followers the way Buggy was during Impel Down, and on Dressrosa he won over people by fighting and winning. Buggy is definitely a wildcard here given the way he rose in ranks.

 

[grey matter]

IMO Sanji's demeanor doesn't seem like that of a conqueror. But then again, I didn't feel any conqueror demeanor from Yamato either, but she has it. So anything can happen I suppose.

If Yamato joins, Sanji will 90% chance have conqueror's haki. Because monster trio will prevail, always.

Then again, he can develop something related to germa bio to keep up as well. As we have seen with admirals, conqueror's haki is not necessary become a very high level fighter in OP, if you can compensate by other strong abilities.

Yes but don’t think there is any evidence or inclination that Sanji has CoC, not that I would mind it. In terms of individual goals Luffy and Zoro appear more likely to have one, and they have it. Yamato is a wildcard like Oden and already has it so no questions there.

As a more serious counter, Buggy leads a lot of strong people but I don’t think he has it either. I would be very surprised if he is shown to have CoC.

Buggy definitely doesn't have conqueror's, he is a coward.
Even putting aside ambition, demeanor, headstrong attitude etc, which while are notable patterns amongst conquerors, there are exceptions. I haven't seen a single conqueror who is a straight up coward.

 

[I Am Atomic]

Here is a good video about Conqueror's haki. Kind of explains who gets it and who doesn't. I think it makes more sense tbh.

 

[grey matter]

Here is a good video about Conqueror's haki. Kind of explains who gets it and who doesn't. I think it makes more sense tbh.

I watched it some time ago, great analysis.

People shit on Morj all the time (mostly for the raid will fail stuff), I've seen it a lot in this forum. But IMO he has one of the best understandings/analysis of the series amongst the fanbase and content creators.
He correctly called advanced conqueror's being the focus of Wano and advanced armament being a mere precursor, Zoro getting conqueror's haki in the raid and Gear 5 in Wano.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Gahdamn shanks

 

[Fox666]

Okay, so Shanks can use CoC to suffocate his opponents?

That's dark for someone like Shanks... how many people he killed? Is Rayleigh called "Dark King" for a similar reason?

He doesn't seem to have used this ability anywhere in the manga

 

[shailks]

it’s incredible. We should treat it as canon, right? Has something this significant ever been confirmed like this?

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 6, 2022, Original Post Date: Aug 6, 2022 ---

This does rests all speculation that gb just “sensed” shanks, while the manga panel clearly showed him grimacing with pain.

 

[Gallon]

Hmm? Doesn't that line simply state that Shanks can alter his breathing, and therefore prevents his opponent from reading his attacks through Future Sight?
Incredible impressive, nonetheless.

Also, the theory that he's Xebec's son is seeming more likely now.

 

[Nie Li]

Okay, so Shanks can use CoC to suffocate his opponents?

That's dark for someone like Shanks... how many people he killed? Is Rayleigh called "Dark King" for a similar reason?

He doesn't seem to have used this ability anywhere in the manga

He doesn't do that. That line is only explaining how he counters his opponents CoO.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Hmm? Doesn't that line simply state that Shanks can alter his breathing, and therefore prevents his opponent from reading his attacks through Future Sight?
Incredible impressive, nonetheless.

Also, the theory that he's Xebec's son is seeming more likely now.

I'm leaning more towards a Celestial Dragon myself

Or both!

Rocks and a CD???

 

[Nie Li]

So, before we keep basking in Shanks' greatness, a brief parenthesis to draw other conclusions.

Mihawk had duels with Shanks when he was already worth 1b and, regardless of who anyone chooses to think is stronger of the two, Mihawk kept up with a rival who was capable of negating his CoO. This would imply Mihawk's performance would be even better when fighting anyone other than Shanks (who he could, at the very least, still keep up with when he had two arms).

Nice. Exciting stuff.

 

[HereNThere]

In terms of Sanji's demeanor and goals in relation to CoC, I think he more closely resembles Katakuri, whose only goals appear to be the protection of his family. If the Admirals have it, I think it'd be the same for them. But we'll have to wait and see.

Gahdamn shanks

Oh that's from the Film Red premiere. Yeah, this is likely canon like Volume 0.

Seems like he's definitely the haki expert going forward and has tailored his it counter advanced forms of haki.

I'm interested in the burning sword. Wonder if it's a trait of the sword or if he's igniting it on his own.

 

[Nie Li]

Oh that's from the Film Red premiere. Yeah, this is likely canon like Volume 0.

Seems like he's definitely the haki expert going forward and has tailored his it counter advanced forms of haki.

I'm interested in the burning sword. Wonder if it's a trait of the sword or if he's igniting it on his own.

I'm guessing it's probably a stronger version of Kin'emons technique? There were already two swordsmen (other than Zoro) igniting their swords in the story. And Lucci somehow igniting his nail before attacking Lucci.

The last one may be attributed to friction since Oda came up with that in the same chapters as Diable Jambe, but the others make it seem like some mystic swordsmanship technique.