One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
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3. Zoro > Luffy
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5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[shailks]

2 points

1.- Luffy is a melee fighter but he does have considerable range. Even during FI arc his attacks covered enough ground to destroy noah. Luffy's reach is potentially several hundred meters.
2.- Cracker repeatedly engaged luffy in CqC. As in, he lunged at him several times to attack with his sword which we even saw forcing luffy back. Considering cracker appears to be a glass canon this is quite incredible. As the implication is that even at this range and without any soldiers between them luffy could not simply finish cracker off.

Glass cannon, yes that’s exactly the word i was trying to get at. The moment cracker decided to attack head on (without using his soldiers as a distraction), he got owned in literally two-three panels. Till that point, the whole fight was a stalemate with no major damage on either side. And on #1 yes I don’t know why Luffy couldn’t use that against the soldiers, i guess they worked like a multilayered glass, enough to shield Luffy’s single attack any given point. So luffy would have to be quick on his feet which we know he already was. Could he have found another way to win without Nami? I think so but it wouldn’t be as funny.

 

[kkck]

Glass cannon, yes that’s exactly the word i was trying to get at. The moment cracker decided to attack head on (without using his soldiers as a distraction), he got owned in literally two-three panels. Till that point, the whole fight was a stalemate with no major damage on either side. And on #1 yes I don’t know why Luffy couldn’t use that against the soldiers, i guess they worked like a multilayered glass, enough to shield Luffy’s single attack any given point. So luffy would have to be quick on his feet which we know he already was. Could he have found another way to win without Nami? I think so but it wouldn’t be as funny.

That's not accurate. Cracker got within CQC range of luffy, including while in G4, several times through the fight. And he was able to handle himself flawlessly. Cracker was framed as a glass canon but he was by no means a one trick pony.

 

[albertwv]

Bastille called Maynard a rookie... only to get one-shot to Sabo. I would say the lifes of Maynard are the rule, while Smoker or Vergo are exceptions.
I don't think the executives were weak. Pica fought Zoro for a while with only his sword.

I am on the opposite of that. I think Maynard are the exceptions to the weak. Everybody else is mostly on the senior/high VA level. Oda did Maynard really bad. Why Bother introduce him as a VA in the first place?
The VAs are what the Yonko Executives would be for a Yonko crew. With the Yonko Commanders being in between VAs and Admiral level. Admirals being in between YCs and Yonkos, closer to Yonko though.
Sabo is pretty strong so its understandable he defeated Bastille quickly.
Trebol and Diamante were weak when you compared them to actual Yonko Executives like Flying 6 or Oven. Pica as I mentioned before, was only strong due to his DF, but in a sword fight Zolo quickly dispatched him.

I place Doffy a bit weaker than Cracker. I don't think Doffy would be able to beat Queen. I could see Doffy beating the Flying 6 for sure but not the All Stars.

There’s a lot of terms we throw around that everyone does not define the same. Weak?? Low/mid/high diff?
Doffy’s Crew wasn’t weak. Which crew are you comparing them too?? Doffy had some solid fighters under his belt. Quite a few DF abilities.

When compared to a Yonko's crew and Im talking about those below YCs. They all had weird DFs but were not really meant for fighting or at least wouldn't be able to put up a fair fight against someone like Pekoms who is barely a Yonko Executive.

 

[LaGOAT]

There is a difference between PK lvl and yonko lvl lol

 

[M3J]

There is a difference between PK lvl and yonko lvl lol

what is that difference?

 

[catagon87]

what is that difference?

16.43

 

[Fallou]

16.43

You’re wrong there buddy, it’s obviously 18.64
The clash between Roger and WB made it very clear

 

[albertwv]

Does anybody else care about discussing anything besides PK, Yonko, Admiral, Shanks, Mihawk, Luffy, Zolo levels on this thread?

 

[McNuss]

I mean, we could as I suggested use the Marine Ranks as a powerlevel grid, which makes a lot of sense if we spilt Vice Admiral into three groups:

• Fleet Admiral (元帥 Gensui?)
• Admiral (大将 Taishō?)
• Vice Admiral (中将 Chūjō?)
  • Zodiac Vice Admiral
  • Base Commander Vice Admiral
  • Standard Vice Admiral
• Rear Admiral (少将 Shōshō?)
• Commodore (准将 Junshō?)

• Captain (大佐 Taisa?)
• Commander (中佐 Chūsa?)
• Lieutenant Commander (少佐 Shōsa?)
• Lieutenant (大尉 Taii?)
• Lieutenant Junior Grade (中尉 Chūi?)
• Ensign (少尉 Shōi?)

• Warrant Officer (准尉 Juni?)
• Master Chief Petty Officer (曹長 Sōchō?)
• Chief Petty Officer (軍曹 Gunsō?)
• Petty Officer (伍長 Gochō?)
• Seaman First Class (一等兵 Ittōhei?)
• Seaman Apprentice (二等兵 Nitōhei?)
• Seaman Recruit (三等兵 Santōhei?) or Recruit (新兵 Shinpei?)
• Chore Boy (雑用 Zatsuyō?) (not an official rank)

There are few Marines that actually don't match their rank in strenght, if we consider that Marines from the HQ are about three ranks higher than their blue counterparts in terms of strenght. The only exception to this are older veterans like Garp/Sengoku/Tsuru, or the supporting character cast like Smoker, Tashigi, Koby, Helmeppo, maybe the Hina group too.

The supporting character cast typically received promotions akin to the characters bounty increases, such as Smoker/Tashigi after Alabasta or the Koby/Helmeppo reveal after Enies Lobby.

If we place in all the known Marine characters, we should get a solid grid for comparison to other characters and could then add the Yonko Crews in comparison, and I think this is much better suited than the YC system that only lets us talk about very few characters, neglecting two thirds of the Straw Hat Pirates.

 

[grey matter]

Does anybody else care about discussing anything besides PK, Yonko, Admiral, Shanks, Mihawk, Luffy, Zolo levels on this thread?

Jinbe levels

 

[LaGOAT]

what is that difference?

Pk lvl are stronger than yonkos that’s the highest tier in the OP verse
roger
WB
Imu(hype)
Garp(borderline)
Luffy(EOS)

these guys are the cream of the crop yonkos ain’t beating these ppl

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Garp(borderline)

Hmmmm excuse me???
Garp, the Marine Hero, Rival of the Pirate King, acknowledged by the Pirate King, hated by Yonkos, is just "borderline"?
Garp is the Pirate King level of the Marine. The guy was a monster on the same level Roger and WHITEBEARD back in the days

 

[albertwv]

Jinbe levels

I am interested in that, I think the general consensus is that he is YC3/YC2.

But look at 2 posts above me. Going back to the pirate king Yonko discussion. Honestly it gets overrated.
I'd be more interested in talking about how strong the VAs are compared to the Post TS StrawHats or Yonko Executives.

 

[Bandit99]

I am interested in that, I think the general consensus is that he is YC3/YC2.

But look at 2 posts above me. Going back to the pirate king Yonko discussion. Honestly it gets overrated.
I'd be more interested in talking about how strong the VAs are compared to the Post TS StrawHats or Yonko Executives.

You actually care about VAs? They're not even remotely a threat

 

[albertwv]

You actually care about VAs? They're not even remotely a threat

I care about discussing something other than the usual on this thread. It gets boring and repetitive especially when there is no new information to discuss.
I get tired of hearing who is stronger Shanks or Mihawk, PK or Yonko level, Luffy or Zolo, etc etc

I bring up the VAs as well as the Yonko Executives because there is so much to discuss about them. Whose stronger than who among the mid tiers.

 

[Bandit99]

I care about discussing something other than the usual on this thread. It gets boring and repetitive especially when there is no new information to discuss.
I get tired of hearing who is stronger Shanks or Mihawk, PK or Yonko level, Luffy or Zolo, etc etc

I bring up the VAs as well as the Yonko Executives because there is so much to discuss about them. Whose stronger than who among the mid tiers.

how would you rank the red scabbards in terms of strength?

 

[grey matter]

Scabbards ranking, along with their tier:

1. Sulong Cat/Dog (YC2)
2. Kyoshiro (YC2)
3. Shutenmaru (YC3)
4. Base Cat/Dog (YC3)
5. Izo (YC3)
6. Kawamatsu (Tobiroppo)
7. Kin'emon (Tobiroppo)
8. Kiku (Tobiroppo)
9. Raizo (Tobiroppo)

 

[M3J]

Pk lvl are stronger than yonkos that’s the highest tier in the OP verse
roger
WB
Imu(hype)
Garp(borderline)
Luffy(EOS)

these guys are the cream of the crop yonkos ain’t beating these ppl

This doesn't make sense when you consider the fact that Roger only beat Shiki because of a storm. It's all open, with Whitebeard being a noticeable exception.

 

[grey matter]

This doesn't make sense when you consider the fact that Roger only beat Shiki because of a storm. It's all open, with Whitebeard being a noticeable exception.

Roger has a small crew like luffy (not as small, has like 30 members. Still the point stands).

There is no way he can take on a Yonko level opponent plus possiblly the largest fleet active at the time. Especially in sea, at least in land they can actually properly fight.

How do we know a "PK" level exists? Because old WB (in meds) was the undisputed world's strongest pirate as well as WSM (and prime WB is a lot stronger). The era after Roger died, was defacto Whitebeard's, which he allowed others to share. He was considered the king of the seas. BM says she could've overcome other Yonkos, EVEN Whitebeard, if she got alliance from giants.

I could go on really.

Prime WB is on a different level from old WB . Old Whitebeard (in meds) was the strongest Yonko

 

[M3J]

But if Roger was a tier above other emperors, then it shouldn't matter how big his crew was, they should have been able to beat almost any enemy regardless of size.

That's not Pirate King level, that's just Whitebeard being the strongest emperor and possibly the second strongest in recent history (he and Roger had tons of friendly fights, and Whitebeard had no desire to conquer or kill, so who knows if Whitebeard was actually stronger). If there was a Pirate King level tier, Big Mom wouldn't have felt confident taking on Whitebeard even with giants as her allies, she showed more respect to Kaidou than she did Whitebeard.

In any case, I still find tiers to be kind of silly.