One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
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3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Nie Li]

Hancock needs better feats before she's even placed at YC1.

For now, lacking feats that put her at the level, we can safely assume characters like Yamato and Zoro can blitz Hancock in a fair fight before she uses her powers. In fact, with her current physical feats, it's hard to argue she would beat Katakuri or King in a fight.

No haki, speed, durability or strength feats on those levels (being grabbed by the neck by Blackbeard entirely drained her strength, and he's not supposed to debilitate them like Kairouseki does, he simply deactivates DFs). Yes, her hax can take down all the characters listed, but her hax can be dodged and she's susceptible both to ranged attacks and to being one-hit-koed with a weapon. For advanced CoC users like Yamato and Zoro, they could even make it so their weapon doesn't touch her body.

She's definitely All-Star material though, but until further feats or hype, she's not YC1.

 

[Pirate Queen]

A Yonko without bullshitting said she could defeat him the second he let her go.

Putting her below YC1 is bullshit.

If Zoro was in Hancock's position and BB said if he let him go Zoro would defeat him we'd be having conversation about Zoro being Ancient Weapon level.

She soloed 2 level 6 Yonko Commanders instantly on top of 2 armies

 

[DeadlyBeast]

For instance, Fujitota likely Low Difs her due to his blindness and heightened CoO

He'll probs lust after since he can still hear her voice lol. Plenty of peeps in real life calling those hotlines for sexy talk

Also maybe he could have lust from just her aura that he sees from CoO. That and we've seen her use Slave Arrow & Perfume Femur on inanimate objects as well as robots like Pacifista with great success. Hell she petrified cannon balls in the air using Slave Arrow so probs can do the same too Fuji's meteors.

 

[Pirate Queen]

He'll probs lust after since he can still hear her voice lol. Plenty of peeps in real life calling those hotlines for sexy talk

Also maybe he could have lust from just her aura that he sees from CoO. That and we've seen her use Slave Arrow & Perfume Femur on inanimate objects as well as robots like Pacifista with great success. Hell she petrified cannon balls in the air using Slave Arrow so probs can do the same too Fuji's meteors.

Turning a meteor to stone wouldn't help anything though

Funjitora summons a meteor above AL

Hancock: "stand back" uses Slave Arrow to turn the falling rock into falling stone

Kuja Pirates:

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Turning a meteor to stone wouldn't help anything though

Weirdly her petrifying ability blocked the cannon balls. Not clear in the manga if the force of the arrows just countered the force of the cannon balls (Chp555) but in the anime of that scene the cannon balls petrified and just fell to the ground. So unless the meteor is vertically above her she it is possible she could use Slave Arrow to successfully block a meteor.

So far in every instance we've seen Fuji use meteors they are coming in at an angle so this is an actual possibility.

 

[grey matter]

I have a very unrelated question here.
How do these canon balls "explode"? Or is that just some anime thing?

They are just iron balls at the end of the day, right?

 

[Pirate Queen]

I have a very unrelated question here.
How do these canon balls "explode"? Or is that just some anime thing?

They are just iron balls at the end of the day, right?

Yeah. It's blunt /concussive damage really..one piece canon balls explode tho

 

[grey matter]

I have doflamingo below calamities-sweet commanders though. I would argue cracker demonstrated being a fair bit above doflamingo. If anything, what made yonko crews so dangerous is that even middle of the pack commanders were probably at least difficult fights for doflamingo.

We have to note that Doflamingo was heavily nerfed when he fought G4 though. Law's attack almost killed him, his body at that point was that held together by strings and he still put up a good fight

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Yeah. It's blunt /concussive damage really..one piece canon balls explode tho

Yeah, how do they explode? I suppose we'll just have to accept it lol

 

[Pirate Queen]

We have to note that Doflamingo was heavily nerfed when he fought G4 though. Law's attack almost killed him, his body at that point was that held together by strings and he still put up a good fight

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Yeah, how do they explode? I suppose we'll just have to accept it lol

I've seen enough Pirates of the Carribean to be an expert canon ballist

Oda got it wrong

 

[I Am Atomic]

I have a very unrelated question here.
How do these canon balls "explode"? Or is that just some anime thing?

They are just iron balls at the end of the day, right?

I think they got some powder similar to gunpowder inside it. Explodes when they reach like a certain temperature or something.

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We have to note that Doflamingo was heavily nerfed when he fought G4 though. Law's attack almost killed him, his body at that point was that held together by strings and he still put up a good fight

Also, after DD awakened his fruit, it wasn't a one-sided fight anymore. DD would have killed Luffy if it wasn't for the gladiators.

People underestimate DD a LOT! But I am too tired to argue

 

[HereNThere]

I have a very unrelated question here.
How do these canon balls "explode"? Or is that just some anime thing?

They are just iron balls at the end of the day, right?

As pointed out, it was mainly concussive. Additinoal research tells me that, apparently, you could even get hurt from one just flying by you and not even touch you. The more you know.

 

[grey matter]

They would have to hurt them selves consistently throughout the fight with her. It's not one stab and they are immune lol.

Momonga stopped 1 attack and it was her base attack lol If Hancock had pressed he would have had to do it again. What's he going to do against hundreds of slave arrows? Nah. I'm pretty confident in my assessment of here, whether one claims bias or not.

Is there anything suggesting this is the case?

The reason that Momonga could resist was because his pain overcame any potential lust he could feel for her.
He doesn't need to constantly injure himself, it's not like the pain would go away after Hancock uses one attack. He will be in a constant state of pain.

If Bb was afraid of her beating him, I'm confidant in what I have said so far unless the conditions I noted have been met.

BB simply couldn't have realized the trick. Plus, we know he is weak to women.

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As pointed out, it was mainly concussive. Additinoal research tells me that, apparently, you could even get hurt from one just flying by you and not even touch you. The more you know.

Yeah, so mainly physical impact right? No explosions.

It hurts just from flying past you? Interesting

I think they got some powder similar to gunpowder inside it. Explodes when they reach like a certain temperature or something.

I though the gun powder was used only for ballistic purposes, Or you mean they could be hollow within?

Actually, I'm gonna go do some searching on canonballs myself lol

 

[Nie Li]

As pointed out, it was mainly concussive. Additinoal research tells me that, apparently, you could even get hurt from one just flying by you and not even touch you. The more you know.

Yup. That also happens with bullets. The air around it literally cuts. The scale of course is different with stronger acceleration and bigger projectiles.

However cannonballs in OP do explode. Just think of the one Law exchanged with a marine's head on Sabaody. The cannonball exploded and it didn't even had inertia anymore.

 

[kkck]

Hancock needs better feats before she's even placed at YC1.

For now, lacking feats that put her at the level, we can safely assume characters like Yamato and Zoro can blitz Hancock in a fair fight before she uses her powers. In fact, with her current physical feats, it's hard to argue she would beat Katakuri or King in a fight.

No haki, speed, durability or strength feats on those levels (being grabbed by the neck by Blackbeard entirely drained her strength, and he's not supposed to debilitate them like Kairouseki does, he simply deactivates DFs). Yes, her hax can take down all the characters listed, but her hax can be dodged and she's susceptible both to ranged attacks and to being one-hit-koed with a weapon. For advanced CoC users like Yamato and Zoro, they could even make it so their weapon doesn't touch her body.

She's definitely All-Star material though, but until further feats or hype, she's not YC1.

We have to consider that we didn't see the entire conflict between hancock-marines-BB. As usual oda skipped all the awesome parts and we didn't actually see how much of a fight boa put up against BB which is a key detail here. Boa is seen bruised an bleeding so there probably was more to this that BB simply pulling her in and defeating her. I could see yamato or zoro being ahead of her though both of them are pretty clearly ahead of calamities or sweet commanders at least.

 

[Nie Li]

We have to consider that we didn't see the entire conflict between hancock-marines-BB. As usual oda skipped all the awesome parts and we didn't actually see how much of a fight boa put up against BB which is a key detail here. Boa is seen bruised an bleeding so there probably was more to this that BB simply pulling her in and defeating her. I could see yamato or zoro being ahead of her though both of them are pretty clearly ahead of calamities or sweet commanders at least.

Well, her official fangirl said Hancock is comfortably ahead of them, that's why I brought those two into the comment.

I'm only talking about her shown feats and implied powers and using what we did see. If at a later point in the story we see her do more, then she will go up in the rankings, but with what we got so far she's not beating Katakuri and King. I have my doubts about Marco because I doubt he can regenerate petrification and he's very used to taking every attack head on rather than dodging, but assuming he's intelligent, he can also win.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Hancock falls into the enormous gap between YC1 and Yonko level. BB not fighting her straight up and not wanting to release her after because he'd get turned to stone is telling. What also is telling is that simply turning off her fruit was able to beat her easily; doubt that would happen to a top tier, even a devil fruit-wielding one.

 

[kkck]

Hancock falls into the enormous gap between YC1 and Yonko level. BB not fighting her straight up and not wanting to release her after because he'd get turned to stone is telling. What also is telling is that simply turning off her fruit was able to beat her easily; doubt that would happen to a top tier, even a devil fruit-wielding one.

We don't know that though. Large portions of the conflict were skipped. We simply see the end of the fight at this point.

 

[HereNThere]

I personally wouldn't say Hancock is weak without her fruit. We know that Blackbeard is a physical monster and it's highly unlikely many can escape his grasp when he catches you, especially by the neck. And, as kkck mentioned, we don't know what led to that particular result, whether he Vortex'd her in while she was distracted or whether they had a brief or extended scuffle beforehand.

I think the former would be more likely given the lack of injuries on both sides. Aside from the obvious choking that made her bleed, and the small little bruise on her head, she was pretty much unscathed everywhere else. Same with Blackbeard.

 

[Fox666]

We don't know that though. Large portions of the conflict were skipped. We simply see the end of the fight at this point.

Did we?

Didn't Blackbeard just grabbed her using that black hole technique?

 

[grey matter]

Oda spent the last two chapters gassing up the former Shichibukai and solidifying their relevance during the last stretch. I highly doubt Hancock isn't a master of the basics of haki. Hell, Crocodile has no feats of haki to his name and hasn't even been said to have it in the supplementary material, but we should assume he is a master as well.

We're in the end game. Certain characters should just be given the benefit of the doubt at this point. As mentioned, Blackbeard had no haki feats until this past chapter. Shiryu has no haki feats, yet he's going to be going up against AdCoC Zoro at some point in the future. Kidd's haki was highlighted all of 0 chapters, yet we can assume he was fighting with it against Big Mom.

Basic haki is a given at this point, especially amongst commander level fighters and above.

What is not a given is advanced haki.
Boa most likely has advanced armament, considering her sisters had it. Anything further would be a reach. I mean, people were thinking she had advanced conqueror's and what not, I don't think anyone having advanced conqueror's would get folded by a choke from BB.

Shiryu most likely would have advanced armament and advanced observation.
He was Magellan's equal without any DF, Magellan was someone who was seen as unstoppable in Impel down, he defeated Ivankov in a low-mid diff. Jinbe and Crocodile knew not to mess with him.