One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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  1. Shanks v Mihawk
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  5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
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  7. Law having CoC currently.
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So now that Luffy has made it to Yonko tier, do we think that he won't be doing double team fights going forward? So far in the new world, Luffy hasn't managed to defeat his main opponents (not counting people like Caesar) without either having team work where he is the one to finish it or having some kind of plot induced fairness.

it made sense when Luffy was facing opponents that are far above his level but now that he has the advanced version of each haki and has also awakened his DF, I really want to see Luffy fighting his opponent from start to finish 1v1 without getting any help, either by other characters or plot. Right now it's starting to look like that BB will be the next major villain for Luffy so wondering if people think he will do a true 1v1? Also think he shouldn't have multiple rounds with BB since that would be strange considering their gap in power shouldn't be that large. I'm hoping Oda is able to create tension that makes sense and doesn't just have Luffy lose like a dumbass early on in the arc just to make it seem like he has a credible threat.
 

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Because they are, that's how the author thinks

In Ennies Lobby, the author provided the powerlevels of CP9 agents... and Zoro's opponent was 1% stronger than Sanji's


But there's a thread for Zoro vs Sanji, I won't spam this one
Then they ain’t equal. ur contradicting yourself by saying they are equal but next sentence u said zoro is slightly stronger than sanji lol pick one bro
 

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Empty Throne Tier
  • (wg)Im, Monkey D. Garp, Sakazuki, Shirahoshi (&Megalo)
  • (rhp)Shanks
  • (bb)Kuzan (&Camel), Marshall D. Teach (post skip)
  • (shp)Monkey D. Luffy (Awakening)
  • (ra)Monkey D. Dragon
  • ----
  • (?)Charlotte Linlin (&Napoleon, Prometheus, Zeus/Hera), Kaidou
  • (pv)Sengoku (pre skip), Kuzan
  • (†)Edward Newgate, Gol D. Roger, Kozuki Oden, Rocks D. Xebec, Shimotsuki Ryuma

Empty Throne Challenger Tier
  • (wg)Issho, Aramaki, Borsalino, Sengoku (post skip), Kong
  • (bb) Shiryu (Suke Suke No Mi)
  • (shp)Roronoa Zoro (Wano Arc), Yamato, Zunesha
  • (ra)Sabo (Mera Mera No Mi)
  • (hp)Trafalgar D. Water Law (Awakening)
  • (kp)Eustass Kid (Awakening)
  • (kj)Silvers Rayleigh
  • (spx)Marco
  • ----
  • (pv)Marshall D. Teach (Gura Gura No Mi), Monkey D. Luffy (Advanced Haki), Bartholomew Kuma
New World Diamond Tier
  • (wg)Tokikake, Gion, Tensei, Sentomaru, Magellan
  • (shp)Vinsmoke Sanji (Lineage Factor), Jinbe, Inuarashi (Sulong), Nekomamushi (Sulong)
  • (kp)Killer (post skip)
  • (fmp)Urouge (post skip)
  • (bmbp)Charlotte Katakuri, Charlotte Cracker, King, Queen, Jack, Charlotte Smoothie
  • (dqxf)Donquixote Doflamingo
  • ----
  • (?)Vista, PX-0
  • (pv)Marshall D. Teach (start), Shiryu (no DF), Monkey D. Luffy (post skip), Roronoa Zoro (post skip), Nightmare Luffy, Sabo (no DF), Trafalgar D. Water Law (post skip), Eustass Kid (post skip), Jozu (Two-Armed)
  • (†)Portgas D. Ace
New World Platinum Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Vice Admiral Base Commander, CP0 Masked Agent, Momonga, Comil, Smoker (post skip), Tsuru, John Giant, Guernica, Doll
  • (bb)Jesus Burgess (post skip)
  • (shp)Inuarashi, Nekomamushi, Franky (post skip), Shishilian (Sulong), Denjiro, Kawamatsu
  • (cg)Crocodile (Marineford)
  • (ra)Emporio Ivankov
  • (oap)Scratchmen Apoo(post skip)
  • (ftp)Capone Bege (&Firetank Pirates, post skip)
  • (elb)Dorry, Brogy
  • (bmbp)Charlotte Perospero, Charlotte Snack, Count Niwatori, Ulti, Who's Who
  • (dqxf)Pica
  • ----
  • (?)Pekoms (Sulong), Jozu (one-armed)
  • (pv)Vinsmoke Sanji (Raid Suit), Gecko Moria (&Oars), Jinbe (Shishibukai invitation), Killer (Kamazo), Donquixote Doflamingo (Shishibukai invitation)
  • (†)Vergo, Jaguar D. Saul, Oars (Zombie), Little Oars Jr., Maha, Izou, Ashura Doji (&Home)
New World Gold Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Vice Admiral, CP0 Unmasked Agent, Stainless, Cancer, Mozambia, Onigumo, Doberman, Strawberry, Yamakaji, Lacroix, Lonz, Dalmatian, Bastille, Nazu Ketagari, Draw, X Drake (post skip), Kyros, Stussy
  • (shp)Shishilian, Bartolomeo, Cavendish (&Farul), Sai (Don Sai), Nami (Zeus Tact), Tony Tony Chopper (Rumble Upgrade), Nico Robin (post skip), Brook (post skip), Fuga, Blackback (Sulong), Roddy (Sulong), Giovanni (Sulong), Concelot (Sulong)
  • (g66)Caesar Clown
  • (g)Enel
  • (bmbp)Charlotte Oven, Charlotte Daifuku, Sasaki, Black Maria (&Wanyudo)
  • (dqxf)Diamante, Trebol (Shishibukai invitation, pre skip, post skip)
  • (-)Island Eater
  • ----
  • (?)Basil Hawkins (post skip), Pekoms
  • (pv)Rob Lucci (&Hattori, pre skip), Roronoa Zoro (Ashura, Shusui), Monkey D. Luffy (Gears), Vinsmoke Sanji (post skip), Chinjao (head flattened), Trafalgar D. Water Law (pre skip), Eustass Kid (pre skip), Viscount Hiyoko, Hody Jones (second overdose), Jinbe (Tiger sub), Donquixote Doflamingo (Minion Island), Pica (Shishibukai invitation), Lao G (Spider Miles, Minion Island), Vergo (Warlords invitation)
  • (†)Pedro, Fisher Tiger
New World Silver Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Rear Admiral, Sicily, Akehende, Catacombo, Hina (post skip), T Bone (post skip), Maynard, Koby (post skip), Sadi, Elizabello II, Prince Grus
  • (shp)Ideo, Blackback, Roddy, Giovanni, Concelot
  • (ra)Hack, Inazuma
  • (oap)Inbi
  • (g66)Vinsmoke Ichiji, Vinsmoke Niji, Vinsmoke Yonji, Vinsmoke Reiju
  • (cbp)Caribou
  • (sky)Nola
  • (bmbp)Page One, Zanki, Jaki, Goki, Rokki, Nangi, Hatcha, Kunyun, Juki
  • (dqxf)Gladius, Dellinger, Lao G (Warlords invitation, post skip)
  • (-)Pinky, Monstrous Bird, Pandaman
  • ----
  • (?)Gecko Moria, Kadar, Charlotte Opera, Dobby Ibadonbo, Doha Ittanka II, Giant Snake, Squard, Decalvan Brothers
  • (pv)X Drake (pre skip), Smoker (pre skip), Hannyabal (pre skip), Roronoa Zoro (Iron Cutting, Flying Sword Slashes), Nami (Wukong Tact), Tony Tony Chopper (post skip), Sai (start), Chinjao (head restored), Crocodile (start), Baron Tamago, Hody Jones (overdose), Hyouzou (overdose), Killer (pre skip), Urouge (pre skip), Scratchmen Apoo (pre skip), Donquixote Doflamingo (Spider Miles), Trebol (Minion Island), Diamante (Shishibukai Invitation), Pica (Minion Island), Vergo (Minion Island)
  • (†)Monet, Dragon Number Thirteen, Kashigami
New World Bronze Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Commodore, Daigin, Yarisugi, Brannew (Post-Timeskip), Tashigi (post skip), Jabra, Minotaurus, Minokoala, Minorhinoceros, Minozebra, Minochihuahua, Pacifista, Fukaboshi
  • (shp)Usopp (post skip, CoO), Baby 5, Bellamy (post skip), Hajrudin, Chinjao (head broken), Blue Gilly, Babanuki, Orlumbus
  • (sp)Wadatsumi
  • (cg)Daz Bones, Kinoko
  • (kj)Boa Marigold, Boa Sandersonia
  • (ftp)Gotti, Vito
  • (cbp)Coribou
  • (sky)Wyper
  • (-)Chadros Hygelyges (Crocotaur), Bobby Funk, Kelly Funk (&Bobby Funk), Jean Ango, Impel Down Level 5 Prisoners, Surume
  • (bmbp)Holed'em(&Kamijiro), Scotch, Charlotte Counter, Charlotte Cadenza, Charlotte Cabaletta, Charlotte Gala
  • (dqxf)Senor Pink (Shishibukai invitation, post skip), Machvise (Shishibukai invitation, post skip), Sugar
  • ----
  • (?)Basil Hawkins (pre skip), Sheepshead, PX-1, Albion, Kairo Kureyo, Roche Tomson, George Black
  • (pv)Kaku (pre skip), Nico Robin (pre skip), Roronoa Zoro (Loguetown Swords), Monkey D. Luffy (start), Vinsmoke Sanji (Diable Jambe), Nami (post skip), Tony Tony Chopper (start), Hody Jones, Hyouzou, Jesus Burgess (pre skip), Van Augur (pre skip), Boa Hancock (enslavement), Donquixote Doflamingo (Logue Town), Trebol (Spider Miles), Diamante (Minion Island), Pica (Spider Miles), Giolla (Spider Miles, Minion Island), Vergo (Spider Miles), Gladius (Warlords invitation), Monet (Warlords invitation)
  • (†)Absalom, Ryuma (Zombie), Bobbin, PX-4, PX-5, PX-7

New World Challenger Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Captain, Very Good, Shu, Sharinguru, Gorilla, Helmeppo (post skip), Pell, Chaka, Dalton, Blueno, Kalifa, Fukurou, Kumadori, Gedatsu, Kureha, Baskerville, Ryuboshi, Manboshi, Riku Doldo III, Iceburg (&Tyrannosaurus), Basilisk, Impel Down Sphinx, Saldeath (post skip), Wolf Unit
  • (shp) Gambia, Suleiman, Abdullah, Jeet, Boo, Briscola, Daifugo, Speed, Hamlet, Mizerka (&Gorishiro), Poker, Leo, Stansen, Road, Goldberg, Gerd
  • (cg)Buggy (Muggy Balls), Alvida (slim)
  • (kj)Ran, Daisy, Cosmos, Rindo, Blue Fan, Marguerite (Post-Timeskip), Sweet Pea (Post-Timeskip), Aphelandra (Post Timeskip), Kuja Pirates
  • (elb)Eiri, Oimo, Kashii
  • (bmbp)Dobon, Solitaire, Fourtricks, Headliners
  • (dqxf)Buffalo
  • (fp)Foxy, Big Pan
  • (ap)Arlong
  • (gp)Gyro
  • (flp)Vander Decken IX
  • (-)Bananawani, Impel Down Level 4 Prisoners, Perona, Brontosaurus
  • ----
  • (?)Satori, Shura (&Fuza), Ohm (&Holy), Ginrummy, Devil Dias, Lip Doughty, Master of the Waters
  • (pv)Hina (pre skip), T Bone (pre skip), Wapol (Royal Armory), Vinsmoke Sanji (start), Roronoa Zoro (start), Nami (Perfect Clima Tact), Bellamy (pre skip), Usopp (Sogeking), Franky (pre skip), Brook (pre skip), Chadros Hygelyges (pre skip), Ikaros Much, Zeo, Dosun, Daruma, Boa Sandersonia (enslavement), Boa Marigold (enslavement), Diamante (Spider Miles), Senor Pink (Minion Island), Machvise (Minion Island), Giolla (Warlords invitation), Gladius (Minion Island)
  • (†)Brontosaurus
Paradise Diamond Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Commander, Marine Branch Division Rear Admiral, Wanze, Tank Lepanto, Wapol (&Hakowan), Kokoro, Paulie, Dagama, Puzzle Scorpions, Manticors, Saldeath (pre skip), Hibari
  • (shp)Gazelleman, Kabu, Bian
  • (cg)Galdino
  • (kj)Kikyo, Belladonna, Enishida, Nerine, Poppy, Pansy, Kiku, Shion, Kuja Tribe, Pandawoman
  • (sky)Braham, Kamakiri, Gan Fall (&Pierre)
  • (spc)Zala, Babe (&Lassoo), Drophy, Marianne
  • (sya)Shoujou
  • (rlr)Duval (&Motobaro)
  • (nkl)Bentham
  • (spx)Oide (&Tama), Sphinx
  • (bmbp)Batman, Mouseman, Alpacaman, Madilloman, Caimanlady, Sarahebi, Nure-Onna, Tenjo-Sagari, Gifters, "Dachoman", "Rabbitman", "Snakeman"
  • (dqxf)Giolla
  • (fp)Capote(&Monda), Pickles
  • (ap)Kuroobi, Chew
  • (krp)Krieg, Gin
  • (bcp)Kuro
  • (-)Ankoro, Sea Lion, Sea Bear, Sea Giraffe, Sea Elephant, Sea Rhinoceros, Sea Gorilla, Sea Leopard, Impel Down Level 3 Prisoners, Lord of the Coast, Hatchan, Kelly Funk
  • ----
  • (?)Yama, Sarquiss, Nero, Chessmarimo, Jarul
  • (pv)Usopp (Dials), Nami (Clima Tact), Buggy (start), Marguerite (pre skip), Sweet Pea (pre skip), Aphelandra (pre skip), Hammond (&Dorei Tank), Koby (post training), Wapol (&Robson), Senor Pink (Spider Miles), Machvise (Spider Miles), Gladius (Spider Miles), Buffalo (Warlords invitation), Brook (alive)
  • (†)Donquixote Rosinante, Jigoro, Tararan, Jorul, Roshio
Paradise Platinum Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Lieutenant Commander, Marine Branch Division Commodore, Fullbody (post skip), Jango (post skip), Igaram, Jerry, Tilestone, Peepley Lulu, Zambai, Bas, And, Kerville, Just Eleven Jurymen, Minister of the Left, Minister of the Right, Zeff, Blue Gorillas, Yokozuna
  • (shp)Bomba, Rampo
  • (ftp)Charlotte Lola, Charlotte Chiffon
  • (sky)Genbo
  • (spc)Gem, Mikita
  • (sya)Masira, Mont Blanc Cricket
  • (fp)Hamburg
  • (nfp)Hammond, Harisenbon
  • (mp)Macro
  • (krp)Pearl
  • (tp)Yurikah
  • (hop)Peterman
  • (-)Kyuin, F-Wani, Impel Down Level 2 Prisoners, An Zengaiina, Sumo Frog
  • ----
  • (pv)Chess, Kuromarimo, Usopp (start), Buchi (hypnotized), Buffalo (Minion Island)
  • (†)Pudding Pudding, General Zombie, Lola, John (Zombie)
Paradise Gold Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Lieutenant, Marine Branch Division Captain, Nezumi, Zotto, Kiwi, Mozu, Galley-La Dock 1 Workers, Sodom, Gomorrah, Lapahn, Lapahn Drum Royal Guards, King Bull, Minoruba, Kairiken
  • (shp)Flapper, Bobomba, Maujii, Nubon, Pellini, Inhel, Cotton, Wicca, Baxcon, Daikon, Chao, Eikon, Chicory, Tarara
  • (cg)Cabahji
  • (sky)Raki, Conis (&Su)
  • (fp)Porche
  • (bhp)Mikazuki
  • (nfp)Kasagoba, Bombardment Squad, Iron Shell Squad, Sea Urchin-Armor Spine Squad, Deadly Poison Squad
  • (ap)Pisaro, Kaneshiro, Take, Shioyaki, Arlong Pirates
  • (mp)Tansui, Gyaro
  • (-)Morgan, Momoo, Sea Cow, Sea Cat, Sea Boar, Sea Monkey, Sea Raccoon, Sea Rabbit, Sea Hippo, Sea Lamb, Sea Horse, Sea Koala, Sea Pig, Sea Dog, Tyrannosaurus Rex, Triceratops, Impel Down Level 1 Prisoners, Jean Goen, Demaro Black, Lacuba, Giant Dog, Giant Dolphin
  • ----
  • (?)Hotori, Kotori, Mr. 6, Miss Mother's Day, Rivers, Mani, Ross
  • (pv)Fullbody (pre skip), Jango (pre skip), Nefertari Vivi (&Karoo, pre skip), Mohji (&Richie, pre skip), Dellinger (Warlords invitation), Buffalo (Spider Miles)
  • (†)Soldier Zombie, Inuppe, Gyoro, Nin, Bao, Victoria Cindry (Zombie), Hyota, Brahm, Arrow, Barrel
Paradise Silver Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Lieutenant Junior Grade, Marine Branch Division Commander, Ripper, Stalker, Octopako, Junan, Papaneel, Kairiki Destroyers, Watchdog Unit of the Law, Den, Rabuka Bull, Spandam (&Funkfreed), "Togare"
  • (shp)Gancho, Grabar, Mansherry
  • (sky)Yotsubane, Mayushika, Warashi, Shandia Warriors, Divine Soldiers, McKinley
  • (bmbp)Pleasures
  • (bcp)Buchi
  • (-)Mr. 7, Miss Father's Day, South Bird, North Bird, Eastern Bird, Western Bird, Giant South Bird, Kappa Whale
  • ----
  • (?)Eddy, Muret, Hewitt
  • (pv)Alvida (fat), New Fishman Pirates
  • (†)Mr. 7 (previous), Surprise Zombie, Kumashi, Buhichuck, Hippo Gentleman, Rug Bear, Wall Zombie, Jack-in-the-Box, Bluejam
Paradise Bronze Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Ensign, Marine Branch Division Lieutenant Commander, Makko, Kiev, Tamagon, Schollzo, Kop, Franky Family, Carne, Yagara Bull
  • (bcp)Sham
  • (sky)White Berets, Divine Squad, Moyle
  • (dd)Curly Dadan
  • (-)Mr. 9, Miss Monday, Giant Mantis
  • ----
  • (?)Lily
  • (pv)Tashigi (pre skip)
  • (†)Wild Zombie, Hildon, Unigaro, MocDonald, Cerberus, Risky Brothers (Zombies), Penguin Zombie Duo, Higuma, Giant Tiger

Paradise Challenger Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Warrant Officer, Marine Branch Division Lieutenant, Patty
  • (ftp)Risky Brothers
  • (bmbp)Waiters, Massui, Pudos, Ibiributsu, Donannoyo, Nokotti, Uwattsura
  • ----
  • (?)Miss Tuesday, Mr. 10, Bellamy Pirates
  • (pv)Helmeppo (post training)
  • (†)Spider Mice, Shimotsuki Kuina
Blue Diamond Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Master Chief Petty Officer, Marine Branch Division Lieutenant Junior Grade, Rokkaku
  • (yes)Koze, Packy
  • (-)Miss Thursday, Big Tiger
  • (dd)Magra
  • ----
  • (?)Hogback
  • (pv)Roronoa Zoro (kid)
  • (†)Mr. 11, Porchemy
Blue Platinum Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Chief Petty Officer, Marine Branch Division Ensign, Asahija, Mashikaku, Shine
  • (dd)Dogra
  • ----
  • (pv)Portgas D. Ace (kid), Sabo (kid)
  • (?)Mr. 12, Miss Saturday
Blue Gold Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Petty Officer, Marine Branch Division Warrant Officer, Koza, Sapi, Stomp, Ivan X, Cowboy, Bourbon Jr., Kentauros, Hikoichi
  • (-)Miss Friday, Mr. 13, Sabertooth Tiger, Super Spot-Billed Duck
  • (fp)Itomimizu(&Chuchun), Super Sparrows
  • ----
  • (pv)Nami (start)
  • (†)Hiriluk
Blue Silver Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Seaman First Class, Marine Branch Division Master Chief Petty Officer, Alabasta Royal Army, Erik, Farafra, Koala Mercenaries
  • (fp)Gina, Donovan, Sonieh, George Mach, Mountain Ricky, Foxy Pirates
  • (-)Billions, Akumai, Mr. Mellow, Mr. Love, Super Sharks
  • ----
  • (†)Lines
Blue Bronze Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Seaman Apprentice, Marine Branch Division Chief Petty Officer, Kebi
  • (cg)Acrobatic Fuwas, Superhuman Domingos, Tightrope Walking Funan Bros, Buggy Pirates
  • (sya)Utan Divers
  • (fatp)Fanged Toad Pirates
  • (bcp)Black Cat Pirates
  • (krp)Ideaman, Hustle, Kagikko, Krieg Pirates
  • (-)Millions, Miss Catherina, Mr. Beans, Mr. Shimizu, Heppoko, Peppoko, Poppoko, Super Lamp Anglerfish
  • ----
  • (?)Manjaro, Drip, Mounblutain, Turco, Higuma's Mountain Bandits
  • (†)Nugire Yainu

Blue Challenger Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Seaman Recruit, Marine Branch Division Petty Officer, Mansion's Guards, Johnny, Yosaku, Genzo, Gatz, Boodle (&Chouchou, post skip), Agotogi, Shyarly, Happa Yamao, Okame, Master, Matsuge, Minatomo, Baratie Fighting Cooks
  • (shp)Inoichibannosuke, Igumi Firefighters, Minatomo
  • (sky)Shandia Chief
  • (yes)Yes Pirates
  • (bmbp)Choco Police
  • (-)Tonjit (&Shelly), Yasa Camel, Reindeer, Hooorse, Horse, "Deeeer", Super Worms, Giant Slug, Seven Star Ladybug, Giant Mole Cricket, Pig, Archaeopteryx
  • ----
  • (?)Chocolat, Cocoa
  • (†)Otohime, Soro, Ryunosuke, Portgas D. Rouge
Civilian Tier
  • (wg)Marine Chore Boy, Ukkari, Makino, Woop Slap, Rika, Ririka, Poro, Kaya, Mornin, Merry, Ahho Desunen IX, Anjo, Antonio, Adele, Ahho Zurako, Aremo Ganmi, Bimine, Bushon, Stevie, Gyoru, Chicken, Chabo, Charlos, Donquixote Mjosgard, Rosward, Shalria, Jalmack, Saru, Corgi, Chimney (&Gonbe), Didit, Outlook III, Sterry, Sarie Nantokanette, Esta, Fillonce, Hiramera, Ipponmatsu, Ipponume, Ishilly, Kairen, Lulis, Maidy, Margarita, Maria Napole, Marumieta, Ichika, Nika, Sanka, Yonka, Yonka Two, Mero, Moodie, Mummy Mee, Negikuma Maria, Nojiko, Pascia, Roxanne, Seira, Shin Detamaruka, Shin Jaiya, Shiruton Doruyanaika, Sora, Terracotta, Yu, Camie, Gatherine, Ban Dedessinée, Kinderella, Lemoncheese, Mororon, Neggy, Matryosaka, Matryosuka, Matryoseka, Matryosoka, Marie, Judy, Daddy Dee, Disco, Egana, Goro, Hanger, Ho, Humphrey, Ishigo Shitemanna, Jobo, Jorge, Kakukaku, Kappa, Kyukyu, Marin, Marine Headquarters Court, Mario, Michael, Hoichael, Milo, Motzel, Muchana, Mukkashimi Tower, Nako, Nigeratta, Ninjin, Piiman, Tamanegi, Nora Gitsune, Pappag, Potsun, Reuder, Sam, Samurai Batts, Spector, Spoil, Tamachibi, Tegata Ringana, Terry, Teru, Toto, Ultraking, Yamenahare, Yoshimoto, Beer VI, Cezar, Chap, Couran, Furrari, Ham Burger, Iwatobi, Jeep, Mari, Moqueca, Nashi, "Potaufeu", Ramen, "Samosa", Sauce, Stroganoff, Tacos, Tea IV, Tritobu, Wheel, Spandine
  • (wej)Attach, News Coo
  • (shp)Asashichi, Azuki, Bingo, Bongo, Bungo, Chihaya, Chocho, Kisegawa, Koito, Noriko, Saki, Some (&Chuji), Takao, Toko, Tsugaru Umi, Wakasa(&Saikoro), Yame, Tsurujo, Genrin, Ginnosuke, Gorobe, Hanji, Hara, Hiroshi, Ikkaku, Inukai, Kamekichi, Kinbo, Kobe, Kumagoro, Tokijiro, Yokan, Gama Pyonnosuke
  • (ftp)Capone Pez
  • (g66)Cosette, Époni
  • (sky)Aisa, Amazon, Isa, Marilyn, Mochi, Pagaya
  • (-)Cocox, Gaimon, Sarfunkel, Goldfish Princess, Tate, Lionbuta, Usagihebi, "Kirinkodanuki", Blue-Finned Elephant Tuna, Ammonite, Kestia, Snow Bird, Desert Strawberry, Erimaki Runners, Warusagi Bird, Tarantula, Moth, Centipede, Atlas Beetle, Miyama Beetle, Hercules Beetle, Wasp, Carpenter Bee, Firefly, Cockroach, Big Bird's Son, Daaachshund, Plaaatypus, "Fooox", "Stooork", Giant Centipede, Cloud Fox
  • (bmbp)Buche
  • (nfp)Hody Jones (crippled), Hyouzou (crippled), Zeo (crippled), Ikaros Much (crippled), Daruma (crippled), Dosun (crippled)
  • (?)Aswa, Nora Gitsune, Kanezenny, Koda, Kyuji, Moda, Gode, Kurotsuru, Natto
  • (pv)Koby (start), Helmeppo (start), Boodle (pre skip), Chouchou (pre skip), Onepoco, Koyama, Monkey D. Luffy (kid, no DF)
  • (†)Aruyutayan V, Batchee, Nefertari Cobra, Nefertari Titi, Seki, Komane, Busshiri, Clover, Rint, Zadie, Roche, Hack, Hocha, Gram, Roji, Oran, Mizuira, Banchina, Donquixote Homing, Chiya, Coburn, Fukumi, Herb, Mousse, Russian, Gimlet, Trafalgar D. Lami, Yuki, Flare, Vinsmoke Sora, Scarlett, Hocker, Victoria Cindry, Thalassa Lucas

All characters are sorted by their current affiliation within tiers for better visibility.
(wg)World Government
(rhp)Red Hair Pirates
(bb)Blackbeard Pirates
(shp)Straw Hat Pirates/Straw Hat Grand Fleet/Wano Country/Mink Tribe/Vivi
(cg)Cross Guild
(ra)Revolutionary Army
(wej)World Economic Journal
(hp)Heart Pirates
(kp)Kid Pirates
(oap)On Air Pirates
(ftp)Firetank Pirates
(kj)Kuja Tribe
(cbp)Caribou Pirates
(spx) Sphinx Island
(g66)Germa 66
(g)God Enel
(elb)Elbaf
(bmbp)Big Mom Pirates/Beast Pirates
(dqxf)Donquixote Family
(nfp)New Fishman Pirates
(sky)Skypea
(fp)Foxy Pirates
(gp)Gyro Pirates
(ap)Arlong Pirates
(spc)Spider's Cafe
(sya)Saruyama Alliance
(nkl)Newkama Land
(krp)Krieg Pirates
(bcp)Black Cat Pirates
(mp)Macro Pirates
(-)no affiliation

(pv)previous version
(?)status unknown
(†)deceased

Most of this is hard to gauge:

Whitebeard Pirates - A O, Agsilly, Amadob, Andre, Arthur, Atmos, Baggaley, Bizarre, Blamenco, Blenheim, Blondie, Brew, Fossa, Delacuaji, Epoida, Islewan, Doma, Haruta, Curiel, Whitey Bay, Cands, Brocca, Choi, Elmy, Forliewbs, Great Michael, Hangan, Julius, Happygun, Colscon, Karma, Kechatch, Kinga, Kingdew, McGuy, Namur, Ninth, Nosgarl, Palms, Pavlik, Rakuyo, Ramba, Reforte, Rush, Sleepy, Speed Jiru, Thatch, Vitan, Wallem, Zodia, Zucca

Spade Pirates - Aggie 68, Banshee, Cornelia, Barry, Ducky Bree, Ganryu, Hublot, Finamore, Kimel, Kukai, Leonero, Masked Deuce, Mihar, Ossamondo, Saber, Skull, Wallace, Dogya, Kotatsu

Roger Pirates - Doringo, Crocus, Blumarine, Donquino, CB Gallant, Erio, Ganryu, Jacksonbanner, Bankuro, MAX Marx, Millet Pine, Moon Isaac Jr., Mr. Momora, Colonel Mugren, Petermoo, Rangram, Rowing, Scopper Gaban, Seagull Guns Nozdon, Spencer, Sunbell, Taro, Yui

Golden Lion Pirates - Shiki, Indigo, Scarlet

Kid Pirates - Heat, Hip, Hop, House, Disc J, Dive, Bubblegum, Boogie, Compo, Emma, Jaguar, Gig, Quincy, Moai, Mosh, Papas, Pomp, Reck, UK, Wire

Heart Pirates - Bepo, Jean Bart, Clione, Ikkaku, Penguin, Shachi, Uni,

Red Hair Pirates - Benn Beckman, Bonk Punch, Building Snake, Gab, Hongo, Limejuice, Lucky Roux, Monster, Rockstar, Yasopp

Blackbeard Pirates - Catarina Devon, Tori, Doc Q (&Stronger), Maki, Kikipatsu, Laffitte, Peachbeard, Sanjuan Wolf, Van Augur (post skip), Vasco Shot, Avalo Pizarro

Cross Guild - Dracule Mihawk

Kuja Pirates - Boa Hancock (&Salome), Gloriosa, Shakuyaku, Bacura, Snake Weapon, Yuda

Rumbar Pirates - Mizuta Madaisuki, Mizuta Mawaritosuki, Yorki

RA characters - Ahiru, Bunny Joe, Koala, Belo Betty, Karasu, Morley, Lindbergh, Terry Gilteo

WG characters - Five Elders

Most of this is upcoming:

East Blue Saga characters - Bell-mère, Shimotsuki Koushirou, Big Bird, "Bogard", Brannew (pre-timeskip),

Alabasta Saga characters - Banchi, Laboon, Hasami, Puppu, Tomato Gang, Unforgiveable Mask, Island Whales, Royal Squid, Pterodactylus, Hiking Bear, White Walkie, Kung-Fu Dugong, Moving Crab, Sandora Catfish, Sandora Lizard, Giant Frog

Sky Saga characters - Kalgara, Mont Blanc Noland, Seto, "Zabo", Ubau, Honner, Okome, Sky Fish, Sky Dot Bird, Speedy Shrimp, Super-Express Speedy Shrimp, Sky Lobster, Three-lenght Bird, Sky Lamprey, Sky Shark, Cloud Wolves, Octopus Balloon

W7 Saga characters - Laskey, Kumadori Yamanbako, Kibagaeru, Tom, Nico Olvia, Chesskippa, Star Shark, Snow Leooopard, "Beaaar"

Summit War saga characters - Capone Bege (Pre-Timeskip), Jewelry Bonney, Pankuta Dakeyan, "Pekkori", Sancrin, Shanba, Sukoshiba Kanishitoru, "Kitton" (&Taroimo), Bellet, Tibany, Francois, Usakkov, Tsunokkov, Fishbonen, Candre, Domino, Heracles, Haritsu Kendiyo, Haredas, Kasa, Faust, Byron, Candy, Goo

FI characters - Neptune (&Hoe), Vander Decken, Splash, Splatter, Daidalos

Dressrosa saga characters - Agyo, Acilia, Damask, Hera, Rebecca, Viola, Fen Bock, Chappe, Ally, Diez Barrels, Konbu, Meadows, Mummy, Rolling Logan, Run, Sind, Smooge, Spartan, Ucy, Uzu, Wellington, Yeti Cool Brothers, Uhho, Biyo, Mocha, Ibusu, Smiley, Doran, Gaburu, "Bakezo", "Bomba", "Gal", "Ginko", "Hyoutauros", "Jero" "Kirintauros", Centaur Patrol Unit, Satyrs, "Pike"

WCI characters - Lady Tree, Diesel, Aladine, Drug Peclo, Du Feld, Kingbaum, Morgans, Noble Croc, Pound, Raideen, Randolph, Streusen, Umit, Zepo, Vinsmoke Judge, Loki, Carmel, Giberson, Jigra, Chichilisia, Uholisia, Gally, "Eggplant Soldier"

Levely Arc characters - Columbus, Nefertari Vivi (&Karoo, post skip)

Wano characters - Akudai Kanzaburo, Kikunojo, Shinobu, Tama (&Komachiyo), Fugetsu Omusubi, Fujin (&Sugamichi), Fukurokuju, Kozuki Hiyori, Kozuki Toki, Kurozumi Higurashi, Bishamon, Jigoku Benten, Banzaburo, Kozuki Sukiyaki (&Bunbuku), Daikoku, Hyogoro, Jibuemon, Atagoyama, Hotei, Cho, Chome, Jujiro, Hidayu, Bao Huang, Giro Chintaro, Hanzo, Kagero, Kuni, Kaku, Suke, Kakunoshin, Katsuzo, Kazekage, Kin'emon, Kojuro, Kotetsu, Kozuki Momonosuke, Kurokoma, Kurosawa, Kurozumi Kanjuro, Kurozumi Orochi, Kurozumi Semimaru, Monjiro, Omasa, Onimaru, Raijin (&Warazane), Raizo, Rakuda, Sandayu, Sarutobi, Shimotsuki Kozaburo, Shimotsuki Ushimaru, Shimotsuki Yasuie, Shinosuke, Tabuhachiro, Toyama Tsujigiro, Tsunagoro, Tsurue Monnosuke, Ukon, Urashima, Uzuki Tempura, Waruno Furishiro, Yatappe, Yazaemon, Hihimaru, Mountain God, Dotaku, Home, "Hana", "Hanji", "Jizo", "Jo", "Tetsu"

Minks - Wanda, Carrot, Tristan, Milky, Bariete, Hitsugisukan, Keith, Miyagi, Monjii, Yomo, Wany

Cover story - General Galaxy, Sergeant Cosmo, Forest Boss, Dirt Boss, Colonel Macro, Seamars, First Lieutenant Spacey, Tsukimi, Mash,

unsorted (i'll edit this away) - Bakkin, Edward Weevil, Oliva, Raccoon, Serizawa, Vegapunk, Rob Lucci (&Hattori, post skip), Hannyabal (post skip), Isuka, Kaku (post skip), Perona (kid, &Kumae)

comic strip - Sora, Stealth Black

This is mostly for me to not get confused.
So I made some updates. Notably I really need to get a ranking of most animals together, so that I can place various other characters (example: Saldeath being dependent on the Bluegori, the random ID prisoners on the placement of the guardian beasts, etc.). It's really more important for a complete ranking then one might think at first glance.

I also changed what the bolding means, it now marks the central characters: Straw Hat Pirates, past and present Yonko, past and present Shishibukai, past and present Admirals, the Worst Generation, the D. clan, the Ancient Weapons, Im, Sabo, Vivi, Oden, Smoker, Tashigi, Koby and Helmeppo.
 
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Law one shotted Vergo when he got his heart back. Saying that Vergo pushed him to high-dif in order to downplay him is being disingenuous.

Law vs Big Mam when Kid was being deadweight was the same as Kid vs Big Mam; neither party got the upper hand on the other.
So now we are just throwing the word disingenuous around…Please stop and use it for what it really means.

As @grey matter mentioned. Vergo barely used Law’s Heart as an advantage, there were moments when he simply outplayed Law. I don’t have to downplay Law, Oda has done that already when Doflamingo low diff him; That’s why he was given such a crazy power creep….

Did Same Law

You are being disingenuous on Law’s part Vs Big Mom. Law has never confronted Big Mom directly or head on.
 

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I think the problem with a lot of the arguing over P1 is people are creating a single power level hierarchy (each of us has slightly different tiers & rankings) that is mixing up characters chronologically e.g. including Current Luffy, Rooftop Luffy w/aCoA, Dressrossa Luffy, etc.

One thing is pretty clear - Oda has not been consistent with power levels throughout the entire story. Since Oda is not consistent, particularly when comparing Pre-TS and Post-TS, any power level tier list we create that includes characters from both eras will end up containing the same inconsistencies.

In the case of the argument around P1 vs Pre-TS characters like Luffy, both arguments make sense:
  • If you want narrative consistency between both Pre-TS & Post-TS then all the retconning that Oda is applying to older characters a la Crocodile, CP9 etc impacts Pre-TS Luffy's power level too. For example one can make the case that retconned Pre-TS Crocodile > P1. And Pre-TS Luffy beat Crocodile without using gears so Pre-TS Luffy (w/gears) > P1.
  • If you aren't going for narrative consistency and ignore retcons of older characters you end up with a different result. Pre-TS Luffy (w/gears) is relative to a Pacifista. P1 is relative to a start of Wano Sanji. Start of Post-TS New World had Sanji >>> Pacifista. By this logic one can argue that P1= Sanji (start of PS-New World) >>> Pacifista = Pre-TS Luffy (w/gears).
At this point there is no sensible way to create a consistent power leveling using all characters across the entire OP story. Oda himself made the characters inconsistent linearly in time. Best way forward in my mind is we'd have to create two different lists, one for PreTS and one for PostTS.

The only exception that I think could still make sense is if comparing only a single version of a given character (preferably their peak) e.g. G5 Luffy, Wano Kaido, Flashback WB, Flashback Roger etc.
Imo I don’t don’t see any inconsistency like it’s just easily simple that pre TS characters simply just gotten stronger than their previous arcs like crocodile like I think he gotten stronger from his alabasta showing MF crocodile>alabasta Crocodile
 

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Imo I don’t don’t see any inconsistency like it’s just easily simple that pre TS character could have just gotten stronger than their previous arcs like crocodile like I think he gotten stronger from his alabaster showing
The thing with Crocodile is that he was a very veteran pirate with tons of years of experience, not a rookie in his growing phase. There's no real justification for him to jump power levels as if he was Luffy just because some time has passed. If every character powercreeped like that, then admirals, yonko, and everyone else would also keep jumping tiers as time passes, and would never be reached.

There's this explanation that he had somehow "lost" his haki along with his will when he was defeated by Whitebeard and that he got it back now. I actually kind of like that theory, but I also know this whole "losing haki thing" is coping to justify his inconsistency.
 

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The thing with Crocodile is that he was a very veteran pirate with tons of years of experience, not a rookie in his growing phase. There's no real justification for him to jump power levels as if he was Luffy just because some time has passed. If every character powercreeped like that, then admirals, yonko, and everyone else would also keep jumping tiers as time passes, and would never be reached.

There's this explanation that he had somehow "lost" his haki along with his will when he was defeated by Whitebeard and that he got it back now. I actually kind of like that theory, but I also know this whole "losing haki thing" is coping to justify his inconsistency.
There's another, and that is also given with Wano Arc; Devil Fruit users get stronger from wearing seastone cuffs all the time, and the ID prisoners fight their cellmates all the time. It's a bit late but it is pretty much unquestioned that the Marineford Crocodile is stronger than the Alabasta one.
Funny enough, the rainbow theme in Miss Goldenweek's cover story suggests they went there for a whole other reason...
 

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Empty Throne Tier
  • (wg)Im, Monkey D. Garp, Sakazuki, Shirahoshi (&Megalo)
  • (rhp)Shanks
  • (bb)Kuzan, Marshall D. Teach (post skip)
  • (shp)Monkey D. Luffy (Awakening)
  • (ra)Monkey D. Dragon
  • ----
  • (?)Charlotte Linlin (&Napoleon, Prometheus, Zeus/Hera), Kaidou
  • (pv)Sengoku (pre skip)
  • (†)Edward Newgate, Gol D. Roger, Kozuki Oden, Rocks D. Xebec, Shimotsuki Ryuma

Empty Throne Challenger Tier
  • (wg)Issho, Aramaki, Borsalino, Sengoku (post skip), Kong
  • (bb) Shiryu (Suke Suke No Mi)
  • (shp)Roronoa Zoro (Wano Arc), Yamato, Zunesha
  • (ra)Sabo (Mera Mera No Mi)
  • (hp)Trafalgar D. Water Law (Awakening)
  • (kp)Eustass Kid (Awakening)
  • (kj)Silvers Rayleigh
  • (spx)Marco
  • ----
  • (pv)Marshall D. Teach (Gura Gura No Mi), Monkey D. Luffy (Advanced Haki), Bartholomew Kuma
New World Diamond Tier
  • (wg)Tokikake, Gion, Tensei, Sentomaru, Magellan
  • (shp)Vinsmoke Sanji (Lineage Factor), Jinbe, Inuarashi (Sulong), Nekomamushi (Sulong)
  • (kp)Killer (post skip)
  • (fmp)Urouge (post skip)
  • (bmbp)Charlotte Katakuri, Charlotte Cracker, King, Queen, Jack, Charlotte Smoothie
  • (dqxf)Donquixote Doflamingo
  • ----
  • (?)Vista, PX-0
  • (pv)Marshall D. Teach (start), Shiryu (no DF), Monkey D. Luffy (post skip), Roronoa Zoro (post skip), Nightmare Luffy, Sabo (no DF), Trafalgar D. Water Law (post skip), Eustass Kid (post skip), Jozu (Two-Armed)
  • (†)Portgas D. Ace
New World Platinum Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Vice Admiral Base Commander, CP0 Masked Agent, Momonga, Comil, Smoker (post skip), Tsuru, John Giant, Guernica
  • (bb)Jesus Burgess (post skip)
  • (shp)Inuarashi, Nekomamushi, Franky (post skip), Shishilian (Sulong), Denjiro, Kawamatsu
  • (cg)Crocodile (Marineford)
  • (oap)Scratchmen Apoo(post skip)
  • (ftp)Capone Bege (&Firetank Pirates, post skip)
  • (elb)Dorry, Brogy
  • (bmbp)Charlotte Perospero, Charlotte Snack, Count Niwatori, Ulti, Who's Who
  • (dqxf)Pica
  • ----
  • (?)Pekoms (Sulong), Jozu (one-armed)
  • (pv)Vinsmoke Sanji (Raid Suit), Gecko Moria (&Oars), Jinbe (Shishibukai invitation), Killer (Kamazo)
  • (†)Vergo, Jaguar D. Saul, Oars (Zombie), Little Oars Jr., Maha, Izou, Ashura Doji
New World Gold Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Vice Admiral, CP0 Unmasked Agent, Stainless, Cancer, Mozambia, Onigumo, Doberman, Strawberry, Yamakaji, Lacroix, Lonz, Dalmatian, Bastille, Nazu Ketagari, Draw, X Drake (post skip), Kyros, Stussy
  • (shp)Shishilian, Bartolomeo, Cavendish (&Farul), Sai (Don Sai), Nami (Zeus Tact), Tony Tony Chopper (Rumble Upgrade), Nico Robin (post skip), Brook (post skip), Fuga, Blackback (Sulong), Roddy (Sulong), Giovanni (Sulong), Concelot (Sulong)
  • (g66)Caesar Clown
  • (g)Enel
  • (bmbp)Charlotte Oven, Charlotte Daifuku, Sasaki, Black Maria (&Wanyudo)
  • (dqxf)Diamante, Trebol
  • (-)Island Eater
  • ----
  • (?)Basil Hawkins (post skip), Pekoms
  • (pv)Rob Lucci (&Hattori, pre skip), Roronoa Zoro (Ashura, Shusui), Monkey D. Luffy (Gears), Vinsmoke Sanji (post skip), Chinjao (head flattened), Trafalgar D. Water Law (pre skip), Eustass Kid (pre skip), Viscount Hiyoko, Hody Jones (second overdose)
  • (†)Pedro, Fisher Tiger, Jinbe (Tiger sub)
New World Silver Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Rear Admiral, Sicily, Akehende, Catacombo, Hina (post skip), T Bone (post skip), Maynard, Koby (post skip), Sadi, Elizabello II
  • (shp)Ideo, Blackback, Roddy, Giovanni, Concelot
  • (ra)Hack
  • (oap)Inbi
  • (g66)Vinsmoke Ichiji, Vinsmoke Niji, Vinsmoke Yonji, Vinsmoke Reiju
  • (cbp)Caribou
  • (sky)Nola
  • (bmbp)Page One, Zanki, Jaki, Goki, Rokki, Nangi, Hatcha, Kunyun, Juki
  • (dqxf)Gladius, Dellinger, Lao G
  • (-)Pinky, Monstrous Bird, Pandaman
  • ----
  • (?)Gecko Moria, Kadar, Charlotte Opera, Dobby Ibadonbo, Doha Ittanka II, Giant Snake
  • (pv)X Drake (pre skip), Smoker (pre skip), Hannyabal (pre skip), Roronoa Zoro (Iron Cutting, Flying Sword Slashes), Nami (Wukong Tact), Tony Tony Chopper (post skip), Sai (start), Chinjao (head restored), Crocodile (start), Baron Tamago, Hody Jones (overdose), Hyouzou (overdose), Killer (pre skip)
  • (†)Monet, Dragon Number Thirteen, Kashigami
New World Bronze Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Commodore, Daigin, Yarisugi, Brannew (Post-Timeskip), Tashigi (post skip), Jabra, Minotaurus, Minokoala, Minorhinoceros, Minozebra, Minochihuahua, Pacifista, Fukaboshi
  • (shp)Usopp (post skip, CoO), Baby 5, Bellamy (post skip), Hajrudin, Chinjao (head broken), Blue Gilly, Babanuki, Orlumbus
  • (cg)Daz Bones, Kinoko
  • (kj)Boa Marigold, Boa Sandersonia
  • (ftp)Gotti, Vito
  • (cbp)Coribou
  • (sky)Wyper
  • (-)Chadros Hygelyges (Crocotaur), Bobby Funk, Kelly Funk (&Bobby Funk), Jean Ango, Master of the Waters, Impel Down Level 5 Prisoners
  • (bmbp)Holed'em(&Kamijiro), Scotch, Charlotte Counter, Charlotte Cadenza, Charlotte Cabaletta, Charlotte Gala
  • (dqxf)Senor Pink, Machvise, Sugar
  • ----
  • (?)Basil Hawkins (pre skip), Sheepshead, PX-1, Albion, Kairo Kureyo, Roche Tomson, George Black
  • (pv)Kaku (pre skip), Nico Robin (pre skip), Roronoa Zoro (Loguetown Swords), Monkey D. Luffy (start), Vinsmoke Sanji (Diable Jambe), Nami (post skip), Tony Tony Chopper (start), Hody Jones, Hyouzou
  • (†)Absalom, Ryuma (Zombie), Bobbin, PX-4, PX-5, PX-7

New World Challenger Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Captain, Very Good, Shu, Sharinguru, Gorilla, Helmeppo (post skip), Pell, Chaka, Dalton, Blueno, Kalifa, Fukurou, Kumadori, Gedatsu, Kureha, Baskerville, Ryuboshi, Manboshi, Riku Doldo III, Iceburg (&Tyrannosaurus), Basilisk, Impel Down Sphinx, Saldeath (post skip)
  • (shp) Gambia, Suleiman, Abdullah, Jeet, Boo, Briscola, Daifugo, Speed, Hamlet, Mizerka (&Gorishiro), Poker, Leo, Stansen, Road, Goldberg, Gerd
  • (cg)Buggy (Muggy Balls), Alvida (slim)
  • (kj)Ran, Daisy, Cosmos, Rindo, Blue Fan, Marguerite (Post-Timeskip), Sweet Pea (Post-Timeskip), Aphelandra (Post Timeskip), Kuja Pirates
  • (elb)Eiri, Oimo, Kashii
  • (-)Perona, Lord of the Coast
  • (bmbp)Dobon, Solitaire, Fourtricks, Headliners
  • (dqxf)Buffalo
  • (fp)Foxy, Big Pan
  • (ap)Arlong
  • (gp)Gyro
  • (-)Bananawani, Impel Down Level 4 Prisoners
  • ----
  • (?)Satori, Shura (&Fuza), Ohm (&Holy), Ginrummy, Devil Dias, Lip Doughty
  • (pv)Hina (pre skip), T Bone (pre skip), Wapol (Royal Armory), Vinsmoke Sanji (start), Roronoa Zoro (start), Nami (Perfect Clima Tact), Bellamy (pre skip), Usopp (Sogeking), Franky (pre skip), Brook (pre skip), Chadros Hygelyges (pre skip), Ikaros Much, Zeo, Dosun, Daruma
Paradise Diamond Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Commander, Marine Branch Division Rear Admiral, Wanze, Tank Lepanto, Wapol (&Hakowan), Kokoro, Paulie, Dagama, Puzzle Scorpions, Manticors, Saldeath (pre skip)
  • (shp)Gazelleman, Kabu, Bian
  • (cg)Galdino
  • (kj)Kikyo, Belladonna, Enishida, Nerine, Poppy, Pansy, Kiku, Shion, Kuja Tribe
  • (sky)Braham, Kamakiri, Gan Fall (&Pierre)
  • (spc)Zala, Babe (&Lassoo), Drophy, Marianne
  • (sya)Shoujou
  • (nkl)Bentham
  • (spx)Oide (&Tama), Sphinx
  • (-)Hatchan, Kelly Funk
  • (bmbp)Batman, Mouseman, Alpacaman, Madilloman, Caimanlady, Sarahebi, Nure-Onna, Tenjo-Sagari, Gifters
  • (dqxf)Giolla
  • (fp)Capote(&Monda), Pickles
  • (ap)Kuroobi, Chew
  • (krp)Krieg, Gin
  • (bcp)Kuro
  • (-)Sea Lion, Sea Bear, Sea Giraffe, Sea Elephant, Sea Rhinoceros, Sea Gorilla, Impel Down Level 3 Prisoners
  • ----
  • (?)Yama, Sarquiss, Nero, Chessmarimo, Jarul
  • (pv)Usopp (Dials), Nami (Clima Tact), Buggy (start), Marguerite (pre skip), Sweet Pea (pre skip), Aphelandra (pre skip), Hammond (&Dorei Tank), Koby (post training), Wapol (&Robson)
  • (†)Donquixote Rosinante, Jigoro, Tararan, Jorul, Roshio
Paradise Platinum Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Lieutenant Commander, Marine Branch Division Commodore, Fullbody (post skip), Jango (post skip), Igaram, Jerry, Tilestone, Peepley Lulu, Zambai, Bas, And, Kerville, Just Eleven Jurymen, Minister of the Left, Minister of the Right, Zeff, Blue Gorillas
  • (shp)Bomba, Rampo
  • (sky)Genbo
  • (spc)Gem, Mikita
  • (sya)Masira, Mont Blanc Cricket
  • (fp)Hamburg
  • (nfp)Hammond, Harisenbon
  • (mp)Macro
  • (krp)Pearl
  • (tp)Yurikah
  • (-)Kyuin, F-Wani, Impel Down Level 2 Prisoners, An Zengaiina
  • ----
  • (pv)Chess, Kuromarimo, Usopp (start), Buchi (hypnotized)
  • (†)Pudding Pudding, General Zombie, Lola, John (Zombie)
Paradise Gold Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Lieutenant, Marine Branch Division Captain, Nezumi, Zotto, Kiwi, Mozu, Galley-La Dock 1 Workers, Sodom, Gomorrah, Lapahn, Lapahn Drum Royal Guards, King Bull
  • (shp)Flapper, Bobomba, Maujii, Nubon, Pellini, Inhel, Cotton, Wicca, Baxcon, Daikon, Chao, Eikon, Chicory, Tarara
  • (cg)Cabahji
  • (sky)Raki, Conis (&Su)
  • (fp)Porche
  • (bhp)Mikazuki
  • (nfp)Kasagoba, Bombardment Squad, Iron Shell Squad, Sea Urchin-Armor Spine Squad, Deadly Poison Squad
  • (ap)Pisaro, Kaneshiro, Take, Shioyaki, Arlong Pirates
  • (mp)Tansui, Gyaro
  • (-)Morgan, Momoo, Sea Cow, Sea Cat, Sea Boar, Sea Monkey, Sea Raccoon, Sea Rabbit, Sea Hippo, Sea Lamb, Sea Horse, Sea Koala, Sea Pig, Sea Dog, Tyrannosaurus Rex, Triceratops, Impel Down Level 1 Prisoners, Jean Goen
  • ----
  • (?)Hotori, Kotori, Mr. 6, Miss Mother's Day, Rivers, Mani, Ross
  • (pv)Fullbody (pre skip), Jango (pre skip), Nefertari Vivi (&Karoo, pre skip), Mohji (&Richie, pre skip)
  • (†)Soldier Zombie, Inuppe, Gyoro, Nin, Bao, Victoria Cindry (Zombie), Hyota, Brahm, Arrow, Barrel
Paradise Silver Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Lieutenant Junior Grade, Marine Branch Division Commander, Ripper, Stalker, Octopako, Junan, Papaneel, Kairiki Destroyers, Watchdog Unit of the Law, Den, Rabuka Bull
  • (shp)Gancho, Grabar, Mansherry
  • (sky)Yotsubane, Mayushika, Warashi, Shandia Warriors, Divine Soldiers, McKinley
  • (bmbp)Pleasures
  • (bcp)Buchi
  • (-)Mr. 7, Miss Father's Day
  • ----
  • (?)Eddy, Muret, Hewitt
  • (pv)Alvida (fat), New Fishman Pirates
  • (†)Mr. 7 (previous), Surprise Zombie, Kumashi, Buhichuck, Hippo Gentleman, Rug Bear, Wall Zombie, Jack-in-the-Box
Paradise Bronze Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Ensign, Marine Branch Division Lieutenant Commander, Makko, Kiev, Tamagon, Schollzo, Kop, Franky Family, Carne, Yagara Bull
  • (bcp)Sham
  • (sky)White Berets, Divine Squad, Moyle
  • (-)Mr. 9, Miss Monday
  • ----
  • (?)Lily
  • (pv)Tashigi (pre skip)
  • (†)Wild Zombie, Hildon, Unigaro, MocDonald, Cerberus, Risky Brothers (Zombies), Penguin Zombie Duo, Higuma

Paradise Challenger Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Warrant Officer, Marine Branch Division Lieutenant, Patty
  • (ftp)Risky Brothers
  • (bmbp)Waiters, Massui, Pudos, Ibiributsu, Donannoyo, Nokotti, Uwattsura
  • ----
  • (?)Miss Tuesday, Mr. 10, Bellamy Pirates
  • (†)Spider Mice, Shimotsuki Kuina
Blue Diamond Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Master Chief Petty Officer, Marine Branch Division Lieutenant Junior Grade, Rokkaku
  • (yes)Koze, Packy
  • (-)Miss Thursday
  • ----
  • (?)Hogback
  • (†)Mr. 11
Blue Platinum Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Chief Petty Officer, Marine Branch Division Ensign, Asahija, Mashikaku, Shine
  • ----
  • (?)Mr. 12, Miss Saturday
Blue Gold Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Petty Officer, Marine Branch Division Warrant Officer, Koza, Sapi
  • (-)Miss Friday, Mr. 13
  • (fp)Itomimizu(&Chuchun)
  • ----
  • (pv)Nami (start)
  • (†)Hiriluk
Blue Silver Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Seaman First Class, Marine Branch Division Master Chief Petty Officer, Alabasta Royal Army, Erik, Farafra, Koala Mercenaries
  • (fp)Gina, Donovan, Sonieh, George Mach, Mountain Ricky, Foxy Pirates
  • (-)Billions, Akumai, Mr. Mellow, Mr. Love
  • ----
  • (†)Lines
Blue Bronze Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Seaman Apprentice, Marine Branch Division Chief Petty Officer, Kebi
  • (cg)Acrobatic Fuwas, Superhuman Domingos, Tightrope Walking Funan Bros, Buggy Pirates
  • (sya)Utan Divers
  • (fatp)Fanged Toad Pirates
  • (bcp)Black Cat Pirates
  • (krp)Ideaman, Hustle, Kagikko, Krieg Pirates
  • (-)Millions, Miss Catherina, Mr. Beans, Mr. Shimizu, Heppoko, Peppoko, Poppoko
  • ----
  • (?)Manjaro, Drip, Mounblutain, Turco, Higuma's Mountain Bandits
  • (†)Nugire Yainu

Blue Challenger Tier
  • (wg)Marine HQ Seaman Recruit, Marine Branch Division Petty Officer, Mansion's Guards, Johnny, Yosaku, Genzo, Gatz, Boodle (&Chouchou, post skip), Agotogi, Shyarly, Happa Yamao, Okame, Master, Matsuge, Minatomo, Baratie Fighting Cooks
  • (shp)Inoichibannosuke, Igumi Firefighters, Minatomo
  • (sky)Shandia Chief
  • (yes)Yes Pirates
  • (bmbp)Choco Police
  • (-)Tonjit (&Shelly), Yasa Camel, Reindeer
  • ----
  • (?)Chocolat, Cocoa
  • (†)Otohime, Soro, Ryunosuke
Civilian Tier
  • (wg)Marine Chore Boy, Ukkari, Makino, Woop Slap, Rika, Ririka, Poro, Kaya, Mornin, Merry, Ahho Desunen IX, Anjo, Antonio, Adele, Ahho Zurako, Aremo Ganmi, Bimine, Bushon, Stevie, Gyoru, Chicken, Chabo, Charlos, Donquixote Mjosgard, Rosward, Shalria, Jalmack, Saru, Corgi, Chimney (&Gonbe), Didit, Outlook III, Sterry, Sarie Nantokanette, Esta, Fillonce, Hiramera, Ipponmatsu, Ipponume, Ishilly, Kairen, Lulis, Maidy, Margarita, Maria Napole, Marumieta, Ichika, Nika, Sanka, Yonka, Yonka Two, Mero, Moodie, Mummy Mee, Negikuma Maria, Nojiko, Pascia, Roxanne, Seira, Shin Detamaruka, Shin Jaiya, Shiruton Doruyanaika, Sora, Terracotta, Yu, Camie, Gatherine, Ban Dedessinée, Kinderella, Lemoncheese, Mororon, Neggy, Matryosaka, Matryosuka, Matryoseka, Matryosoka, Marie, Judy, Daddy Dee, Disco, Egana, Goro, Hanger, Ho, Humphrey, Ishigo Shitemanna, Jobo, Jorge, Kakukaku, Kappa, Kyukyu, Marin, Marine Headquarters Court, Mario, Michael, Hoichael, Milo, Motzel, Muchana, Mukkashimi Tower, Nako, Nigeratta, Ninjin, Piiman, Tamanegi, Nora Gitsune, Pappag, Potsun, Reuder, Sam, Samurai Batts, Spector, Spoil, Tamachibi, Tegata Ringana, Terry, Teru, Toto, Ultraking, Yamenahare, Yoshimoto, Beer VI, Cezar, Chap, Couran, Furrari, Ham Burger, Iwatobi, Jeep, Mari, Moqueca, Nashi, "Potaufeu", Ramen, "Samosa", Sauce, Stroganoff, Tacos, Tea IV, Tritobu, Wheel
  • (wej)Attach, News Coo
  • (shp)Asashichi, Azuki, Bingo, Bongo, Bungo, Chihaya, Chocho, Kisegawa, Koito, Noriko, Saki, Some (&Chuji), Takao, Toko, Tsugaru Umi, Wakasa(&Saikoro), Yame, Tsurujo, Genrin, Ginnosuke, Gorobe, Hanji, Hara, Hiroshi, Ikkaku, Inukai, Kamekichi, Kinbo, Kobe, Kumagoro, Tokijiro, Yokan, Gama Pyonnosuke
  • (ftp)Capone Pez
  • (g66)Cosette, Époni
  • (sky)Aisa, Amazon, Isa, Marilyn, Mochi, Pagaya
  • (-)Cocox, Gaimon, Sarfunkel, Goldfish Princess, Tate, Lionbuta, Usagihebi, "Kirinkodanuki", Blue-Finned Elephant Tuna, Ammonite, Kestia, Snow Bird, Desert Strawberry, Erimaki Runners, Warusagi Bird, Tarantula, Moth, Centipede, Atlas Beetle, Miyama Beetle, Hercules Beetle, Bee, Firefly, Cockroach
  • (bmbp)Buche
  • (nfp)Hody Jones (crippled), Hyouzou (crippled), Zeo (crippled), Ikaros Much (crippled), Daruma (crippled), Dosun (crippled)
  • (?)Aswa, Nora Gitsune, Kanezenny, Koda, Kyuji, Moda, Gode, Kurotsuru, Natto
  • (pv)Koby (start), Helmeppo (start), Boodle (pre skip), Chouchou (pre skip), Onepoco, Koyama
  • (†)Aruyutayan V, Batchee, Nefertari Cobra, Nefertari Titi, Seki, Komane, Busshiri, Clover, Rint, Zadie, Roche, Hack, Hocha, Gram, Roji, Oran, Mizuira, Banchina, Donquixote Homing, Chiya, Coburn, Fukumi, Herb, Mousse, Russian, Gimlet, Trafalgar D. Lami, Yuki, Flare, Vinsmoke Sora, Scarlett, Hocker, Victoria Cindry, Thalassa Lucas

All characters are sorted by their current affiliation within tiers for better visibility.
(wg)World Government
(rhp)Red Hair Pirates
(bb)Blackbeard Pirates
(shp)Straw Hat Pirates/Straw Hat Grand Fleet/Wano Country/Mink Tribe/Vivi
(cg)Cross Guild
(ra)Revolutionary Army
(wej)World Economic Journal
(hp)Heart Pirates
(kp)Kid Pirates
(oap)On Air Pirates
(ftp)Firetank Pirates
(kj)Kuja Tribe
(cbp)Caribou Pirates
(spx) Sphinx Island
(g66)Germa 66
(g)God Enel
(elb)Elbaf
(bmbp)Big Mom Pirates/Beast Pirates
(dqxf)Donquixote Family
(nfp)New Fishman Pirates
(sky)Skypea
(fp)Foxy Pirates
(gp)Gyro Pirates
(ap)Arlong Pirates
(spc)Spider's Cafe
(sya)Saruyama Alliance
(nkl)Newkama Land
(krp)Krieg Pirates
(bcp)Black Cat Pirates
(mp)Macro Pirates
(-)no affiliation

(pv)previous version
(?)status unknown
(†)deceased

Whitebeard Pirates - A O, Agsilly, Amadob, Andre, Arthur, Atmos, Baggaley, Bizarre, Blamenco, Blenheim, Blondie, Brew, Fossa, Decalvan Brothers, Delacuaji, Epoida, Islewan, Doma, Haruta, Curiel, Whitey Bay, Cands, Brocca, Choi, Elmy, Forliewbs, Great Michael, Hangan, Julius, Happygun, Colscon, Karma, Kechatch, Kinga, Kingdew, McGuy, Namur, Ninth, Nosgarl, Palms, Pavlik, Rakuyo, Ramba, Reforte, Rush, Sleepy, Speed Jiru, Squard, Thatch, Vitan, Wallem, Zodia, Zucca

Spade Pirates - Aggie 68, Banshee, Cornelia, Barry, Ducky Bree, Ganryu, Hublot, Finamore, Kimel, Kukai, Leonero, Masked Deuce, Mihar, Ossamondo, Saber, Skull, Wallace,

Roger Pirates - Doringo, Crocus, Blumarine, Donquino, CB Gallant, Erio, Ganryu, Jacksonbanner, Bankuro, MAX Marx, Millet Pine, Moon Isaac Jr., Mr. Momora, Colonel Mugren, Petermoo, Rangram, Rowing, Scopper Gaban, Seagull Guns Nozdon, Spencer, Sunbell, Taro, Yui,

Golden Lion Pirates - Shiki, Indigo,

Kid Pirates - Heat, Hip, Hop, House, Disc J, Dive, Bubblegum, Boogie, Compo, Emma, Jaguar, Gig, Quincy, Moai, Mosh, Papas, Pomp, Reck, UK, Wire

Heart Pirates - Bepo, Jean Bart, Clione, Ikkaku, Penguin, Shachi, Uni,

Red Hair Pirates - Benn Beckman, Bonk Punch, Building Snake, Gab, Hongo, Limejuice, Lucky Roux, Monster, Rockstar, Yasopp,

Blackbeard Pirates - Catarina Devon, Jesus Burgess (pre skip), Tori, Doc Q (&Stronger), Maki, Kikipatsu, Laffitte, Peachbeard, Sanjuan Wolf, Van Augur, Vasco Shot, Avalo Pizarro

RA characters - Ahiru, Bunny Joe, Koala, Belo Betty, Karasu, Morley, Lindbergh, Emporio Ivankov, Inazuma, Terry Gilteo,

Merry times characters - Bell-mère, Brontosaurus, Dracule Mihawk, Banchi, Okame, Kalgara, Kibagaeru, Koushirou, Laboon, Laskey, Mont Blanc Noland, Okome, Puppu, Spandine, Stomp, Ivan X, Cowboy, Bourbon Jr., Kentauros, Hikoichi, Tom, Tomato Gang, Nico Olvia, Ubau, Unforgiveable Mask, Yokozuna, Hasami, Big Bird, Big Bird's Son, Island Whales, Royal Squid, Kappa Whale, Archaeopteryx, Pterodactylus, Sabertooth Tiger, Giant Dolphin, Hiking Bear, Giant Tiger, White Walkie, Kung-Fu Dugong, Moving Crab, Sandora Catfish, Sandora Lizard, Super Spot-Billed Duck, Giant Frog, South Bird, North Bird, Eastern Bird, Western Bird, Five Elders, "Bogard", Spandam (&Funkfreed), Kumadori Yamanbako, Sky Fish, Sky Dot Bird, Speedy Shrimp, Super-Express Speedy Shrimp, Cloud Fox, Sky Lobster, Giant Dog, Three-lenght Bird, Sky Lamprey, Sky Shark, Cloud Wolves, Giant South Bird, Octopus Balloon, Giant Centipede, Giant Mantis, Seven Star Ladybugs, Giant Beetles, Giant Slugs,

Sunny times characters - Boa Hancock (&Salome), Gloriosa, Shakuyaku, Pandawoman, Capone Bege (Pre-Timeskip), Jewelry Bonney, Bluejam, Lacuba, Magra, Minoruba, Mizuta Madaisuki, Mizuta Mawaritosuki, Pankuta Dakeyan, Pekkori, Peterman, Porchemy, Sancrin, Scratchmen Apoo (pre skip), Seto, Shanba, Sukoshiba Kanishitoru, "Kitton" (&Taroimo), Urouge (pre skip), Duval (&Motobaro), Portgas D. Rouge, Yorki, Bellet, Tibany, Francois, Usakkov, Tsunokkov, Basilisk, Sphinx, Curly Dadan, Fishbonen, Candre, Domino, Heracles, Haritsu Kendiyo, Haredas, Kasa, Dogra, Faust, Kairiken

FI characters - Neptune (&Hoe), Surume, Demaro Black, Vander Decken, Vander Decken IX, Wadatsumi, Splash, Splatter, Daidalos,

Dressrosa saga characters - Agyo, Acilia, Damask, Hera, Rebecca, Viola, Fen Bock, Chappe, Ally, Diez Barrels, Konbu, Meadows, Mummy, Rolling Logan, Run, Sind, Smooge, Spartan, Ucy, Uzu, Wellington, Yeti Cool Brothers, Uhho, Biyo, Mocha, Ibusu

WCI characters - Lady Tree, Diesel, Aladine, Drug Peclo, Du Feld, Kingbaum, Morgans, Noble Croc, Pound, Raideen, Randolph, Streusen, Umit, Zepo, Vinsmoke Judge, Loki, Carmel, Giberson, Jigra,

Wano characters - Akudai Kanzaburo, Kikunojo, Shinobu, Tama (&Komachiyo), Fugetsu Omusubi, Fujin, Fukurokuju, Kozuki Hiyori, Kozuki Toki, Kurozumi Higurashi, Bishamon, Jigoku Benten, Banzaburo, Kozuki Sukiyaki (&Bunbuku), Daikoku, Hyogoro, Jibuemon, Atagoyama, Hotei, Cho, Chome, Jujiro, Hidayu, Bao Huang, Giro Chintaro, Hanzo, Kagero, Kuni, Kaku, Suke, Kakunoshin, Katsuzo, Kazekage, Kin'emon, Kojuro, Kotetsu, Kozuki Momonosuke, Kurokoma, Kurosawa, Kurozumi Kanjuro, Kurozumi Orochi, Kurozumi Semimaru, Monjiro, Omasa, Onimaru, Raijin, Raizo, Rakuda, Sandayu, Sarutobi, Shimotsuki Kozaburo, Shimotsuki Ushimaru, Shimotsuki Yasuie, Shinosuke, Tabuhachiro, Toyama Tsujigiro, Tsunagoro, Tsurue Monnosuke, Ukon, Urashima, Uzuki Tempura, Waruno Furishiro, Yatappe, Yazaemon, Hihimaru, Mountain God, Dotaku

Minks - Wanda, Carrot, Tristan, Milky, Bariete, Hitsugisukan, Keith, Miyagi, Monjii, Yomo

Cover story - General Galaxy, Sergeant Cosmo, Forest Boss, Dirt Boss, Colonel Macro, Seamars, First Lieutenant Spacey, Tsukimi, Mash,

unsorted (i'll edit this away) - Byron, Bakkin, Candy, Chesskippa, Chichilisia, Columbus, Uholisia, Dogya, Doran, Edward Weevil, Gaburu, Gally, Goo, Honner, Nefertari Vivi (&Karoo, post skip), Oliva, Raccoon, Serizawa, Vegapunk, Brannew (pre-timeskip), Rob Lucci (&Hattori, post skip), Hannyabal (post skip), Isuka, Kaku (post skip)

comic strip - Sora, Stealth Black

This is mostly for me to not get confused.
So I made some updates. Notably I really need to get a ranking of most animals together, so that I can place various other characters (example: Saldeath being dependent on the Bluegori, the random ID prisoners on the placement of the guardian beasts, etc.). It's really more important for a complete ranking then one might think at first glance.

I also changed what the bolding means, it now marks the central characters: Straw Hat Pirates, past and present Yonko, past and present Shishibukai, past and present Admirals, the Worst Generation, the D. clan, the Ancient Weapons, Im, Sabo, Vivi, Oden, Smoker, Tashigi, Koby and Helmeppo.
You still have Page One in the wrong tier. Choosing to ignore reasoning, I see.
You also have Urouge in a tier above than what he should be. Urouge should not be in the same tier as Cracker much less Katakuri.
You have Pica a tier higher than he should be. Oven should definitely be able to defeat Pica.
Diamante and Trebol are a tier to high.
 

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There's another, and that is also given with Wano Arc; Devil Fruit users get stronger from wearing seastone cuffs all the time, and the ID prisoners fight their cellmates all the time. It's a bit late but it is pretty much unquestioned that the Marineford Crocodile is stronger than the Alabasta one.
Funny enough, the rainbow theme in Miss Goldenweek's cover story suggests they went there for a whole other reason...
Didn't seem to do Galdino any good since he's still a weakling

There were also other escapees like Mr.1 and heck even Ace who didn't seem to get this type of benefit, at least from their showings at Marineford.

I think at this point we have to accept that Oda is deciding who gets power ups from what fits the narrative more than what is logically internally consistent with the story.
 

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The thing with Crocodile is that he was a very veteran pirate with tons of years of experience, not a rookie in his growing phase. There's no real justification for him to jump power levels as if he was Luffy just because some time has passed. If every character powercreeped like that, then admirals, yonko, and everyone else would also keep jumping tiers as time passes, and would never be reached.

There's this explanation that he had somehow "lost" his haki along with his will when he was defeated by Whitebeard and that he got it back now. I actually kind of like that theory, but I also know this whole "losing haki thing" is coping to justify his inconsistency.
I mean by that logic crocodile is an outlier I mean think about it what did he do that make y’all believe his was retconned? I mean put MF luffy with crocodile shoes luffy would be just fine like crocodile lol. Ur right if he lost his “will” to fight then it’s an inconsistency with losing his haki as well that doesn’t make sense to me lol.

it’s easier to get make weaker characters to grow stronger than already powerful characters In my opinion it make sense
 

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Didn't seem to do Galdino any good since he's still a weakling

There were also other escapees like Mr.1 and heck even Ace who didn't seem to get this type of benefit, at least from their showings at Marineford.

I think at this point we have to accept that Oda is deciding who gets power ups from what fits the narrative more than what is logically internally consistent with the story.
So you think Mr 1 should have flabbered Dracule Mihawk? Or what feats do you want to talk about? His one dedicated scene in prison shows him coping with it with ease, unlike the other prisoners.

It's also a bit weird that you use Galdino to make a point, who has amazing feats both in his introduction arc and in Marineford.
 

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I think at this point we have to accept that Oda is deciding who gets power ups from what fits the narrative more than what is logically internally consistent with the story.
Power-ups have always happened based on what is convenient to the story

One Piece has never been consistent with power levels, sometimes they are not even power-ups, it's just characters beating someone they shouldn't be capable of
 

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I mean by that logic crocodile is an outlier I mean think about it what did he do that make y’all believe his was retconned? I mean put MF luffy with crocodile shoes luffy would be just fine like crocodile lol. Ur right if he lost his “will” to fight then it’s an inconsistency with losing his haki as well that doesn’t make sense to me lol.

it’s easier to get make weaker characters to grow stronger than already powerful characters In my opinion it make sense
Fans are using their rationale.
Croc lost to Pre Gears Luffy…..
Sat in Impel Down locked away…Enters MF he’s intercepting Mihawk…That’s a big jump

To Now after being locked up and a 2year time skip his bounty is 1Bil +…..A Bounty for Strong Commander lv opponents…It’s an inconsistency or fans rationalize he’s gotten stronger…but it’s Oda shortcoming on not giving any context on why or how…

Then you have major inconsistency of Luffy hurting BB & getting hit by BB during Impel Down…

Also Magellan has to be a glass cannon because Luffy was hurting him also
 

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Fans are using their rationale.
Croc lost to Pre Gears Luffy…..
Sat in Impel Down locked away…Enters MF he’s intercepting Mihawk…That’s a big jump

To Now after being locked up and a 2year time skip his bounty is 1Bil +…..A Bounty for Strong Commander lv opponents…It’s an inconsistency or fans rationalize he’s gotten stronger…but it’s Oda shortcoming on not giving any context on why or how…

Then you have major inconsistency of Luffy hurting BB & getting hit by BB during Impel Down…

Also Magellan has to be a glass cannon because Luffy was hurting him also
These are all reasons as to why we as fans shouldn't dig too deep when discussing power levels. Does anyone think Oda think about these things while writing a story?
He writes it for the overall story progression rather than power levels. Not saying that he doesn't care, but I don't think he minds if there are inconsistencies in power levels across arcs. He is usually good with power levels within the arc itself.

BB is a prime example. He took damage from Pre TS Luffy. Took damage from WB to his face. Took damage from Sengoku. Got back up each time. Are we to believe that BB got strong during the ID arc after meeting Luffy? No. Oda will make somebody strong as the plot requires.

Last chapter a Yonko crew was defeated by a single metal shark. Oda does this for plot progression 🤷🏾‍♂️
 

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Fans are using their rationale.
Croc lost to Pre Gears Luffy…..
Sat in Impel Down locked away…Enters MF he’s intercepting Mihawk…That’s a big jump

To Now after being locked up and a 2year time skip his bounty is 1Bil +…..A Bounty for Strong Commander lv opponents…It’s an inconsistency or fans rationalize he’s gotten stronger…but it’s Oda shortcoming on not giving any context on why or how…

Then you have major inconsistency of Luffy hurting BB & getting hit by BB during Impel Down…

Also Magellan has to be a glass cannon because Luffy was hurting him also
But to me two characters clashing doesn’t put them on equal terms nor intercepting. weaker character has clash with stronger characters. We have seen clashing some many times in this series but it doesn’t mean squat.

just because a character can hurt a stronger oppoent doesn’t mean it’s an inconsistency lol I mean do u think when luffy punch kaido to the floor at the beginning of rooftop fight means it now a inconsistency?

Also u can till argue crocodile was till stronger luffy till cp7 arc because he lost to him twice.
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Last chapter a Yonko crew was defeated by a single metal shark. Oda does this for plot progression 🤷🏾‍♂️
Imo I don’t think that was a fight only no1 attacked except for franky
 
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I just ignore Crocodile's power creep from Alabasta to MF. What does bother me is that in MF Crocodile showed he was able to temporarily clash with some heavy hitters, but I never got the impression that he was on their level, (Jozu, Doffy, Mihawk). Then he gets a bounty close to a Yonko level BB? That's outrageous. I understood Oda's first revise in making Crocodile stronger for Marineford, but this again? Nah. NO way.
Also I don't see Crocodile stronger than a YC3 even with his new bounty. NOT UNTIL Oda shows us his feats that would put him above a YC1, will I rank him any higher.

In most shonen manga, once the main character defeats a villain, the next villain turns out to be stronger and so forth. Usually the shonen MC is a young boy 12-20 years old, meaning he has time for growth. While the villains are older and have stopped growing strong, outside of their power ups/transformations. So once the MC defeats that older villain, most likely we won't see that villain come back to the story and/or be stronger than when the MC beat them. While there are many cases that old villains do come back either for revenge or to help the MC, it is usually specified that the villain has become stronger. But the opposite tends to be the norm (the old villain NOT getting any stronger).

For example, if Morgan, Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, come back, I don't expect them to be GL much less NW level.
Also, I don't see Doffy, Kata, Kaido coming back and being stronger than they were when Luffy defeated them UNLESS it is stated. If its not stated, either by the author or the character in some way, then I will correctly assume they are as strong as when Luffy fought them.

Lucci has returned and it is clear that he received a power up and has become at least VA to YC2 level. We have no specific idea but story progression wise, CP0 is stronger than CP9, so it makes sense to acknowledge that Lucci has become stronger.

Now Moria on the other hand.... Moria got weak after losing to Kaido, was complacent for years, lost to Pre TS Luffy and lost his Warlord title. Then Post TS we see him attacking a Yonko BB's territory, wanting to kill BB himself. To me that was way out of line for Moria to dare attack a Yonko in his home territory with his YCs, by himself.
Moria is nowhere near the level of the YCs much less BB. There is also no mention of Moria getting stronger since Pre TS. So in my eyes, this is like Pre TS Luffy with Gears attacking a Yonko's territory. Way out of his league. Even if McNuss likes to claim that Pre TS Luffy is stronger than Page One, Pre TS Luffy has no business with Yonko Executives much less Yonko Commanders.

Lastly, as I was talking about how villains are usually stagnant and don't grow any stronger UNLESS Specifically mentioned, like a power up or training or absorbing somebody's power, then there is no reason to believe that they have indeed gotten stronger. This is directed at Akainu specifically.
A LOT of people believe that because Akainu won over Aokiji and got promoted to FA, he has gotten stronger. Akainu is 56-58 years old. Promoting him to FA doesn't make him stronger. He is stronger than the rest of the admirals, but he was so even when he was an Admiral already.
Fleet Admiral is more of a tactician/political than combatant/fighter. As we saw Sengoku only fight until nearly the end of the war.
 

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I just ignore Crocodile's power creep from Alabasta to MF. What does bother me is that in MF Crocodile showed he was able to temporarily clash with some heavy hitters, but I never got the impression that he was on their level, (Jozu, Doffy, Mihawk). Then he gets a bounty close to a Yonko level BB? That's outrageous. I understood Oda's first revise in making Crocodile stronger for Marineford, but this again? Nah. NO way.
Also I don't see Crocodile stronger than a YC3 even with his new bounty. NOT UNTIL Oda shows us his feats that would put him above a YC1, will I rank him any higher.

In most shonen manga, once the main character defeats a villain, the next villain turns out to be stronger and so forth. Usually the shonen MC is a young boy 12-20 years old, meaning he has time for growth. While the villains are older and have stopped growing strong, outside of their power ups/transformations. So once the MC defeats that older villain, most likely we won't see that villain come back to the story and/or be stronger than when the MC beat them. While there are many cases that old villains do come back either for revenge or to help the MC, it is usually specified that the villain has become stronger. But the opposite tends to be the norm (the old villain NOT getting any stronger).

For example, if Morgan, Kuro, Krieg, Arlong, come back, I don't expect them to be GL much less NW level.
Also, I don't see Doffy, Kata, Kaido coming back and being stronger than they were when Luffy defeated them UNLESS it is stated. If its not stated, either by the author or the character in some way, then I will correctly assume they are as strong as when Luffy fought them.

Lucci has returned and it is clear that he received a power up and has become at least VA to YC2 level. We have no specific idea but story progression wise, CP0 is stronger than CP9, so it makes sense to acknowledge that Lucci has become stronger.

Now Moria on the other hand.... Moria got weak after losing to Kaido, was complacent for years, lost to Pre TS Luffy and lost his Warlord title. Then Post TS we see him attacking a Yonko BB's territory, wanting to kill BB himself. To me that was way out of line for Moria to dare attack a Yonko in his home territory with his YCs, by himself.
Moria is nowhere near the level of the YCs much less BB. There is also no mention of Moria getting stronger since Pre TS. So in my eyes, this is like Pre TS Luffy with Gears attacking a Yonko's territory. Way out of his league. Even if McNuss likes to claim that Pre TS Luffy is stronger than Page One, Pre TS Luffy has no business with Yonko Executives much less Yonko Commanders.

Lastly, as I was talking about how villains are usually stagnant and don't grow any stronger UNLESS Specifically mentioned, like a power up or training or absorbing somebody's power, then there is no reason to believe that they have indeed gotten stronger. This is directed at Akainu specifically.
A LOT of people believe that because Akainu won over Aokiji and got promoted to FA, he has gotten stronger. Akainu is 56-58 years old. Promoting him to FA doesn't make him stronger. He is stronger than the rest of the admirals, but he was so even when he was an Admiral already.
Fleet Admiral is more of a tactician/political than combatant/fighter. As we saw Sengoku only fight until nearly the end of the war.
But what if we find out that akainu has ACOC would u say it’s an inconsistency or was he holding back in MF?
 

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But what if we find out that akainu has ACOC would u say it’s an inconsistency or was he holding back in MF?
Neither. Haki pre-TS wasn't represented consistently with post-TS, but the inconsistency is merely in its depiction, not in characters having it or not.
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Actually, after Kaido's fight, I have come to believe no character can clash directly with an aCoC user in melee, much less 1vs1.

aCoC seems to be exactly what allows a top tier to be a top tier in this verse, so I will be more surprised if someone like Akainu doesn't have it.
 

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Neither. Haki pre-TS wasn't represented consistently with post-TS, but the inconsistency is merely in its depiction, not in characters having it or not.
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Actually, after Kaido's fight, I have come to believe no character can clash directly with an aCoC user in melee, much less 1vs1.

aCoC seems to be exactly what allows a top tier to be a top tier in this verse, so I will be more surprised if someone like Akainu doesn't have it.
But Akainu relied on his fruit against Whitebeard

It only proves that you need magma to clash against vibrations that shatters space-time like glass
 

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Also Magellan has to be a glass cannon because Luffy was hurting him also
Or maybe Luffy's attacks just hit like a truck. Zoro also cut up Kuma, and without Ashura, Shishi Sonson was enough.

Magellan later fought with all of Level 6, and survived.

The idea that the pre-skip Strawhats have a damage output of zero is just wrong. This is clearly an inconsistency the community is creating themselves.

Like, somehow, I think there's the impression you need Haki to injure Haki users, but that's not true at all.
 
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