I can agree that it was more of a Shanks hype moment than a Kid downplay moment since the attack even took out Killer. The Red Hair pirates are definitely looking very threatening in combat after that showing.
As for Law's performance against BB, it's hard to say for me. Just due to BBs characterization so far involving him getting hurt/hit it makes it more difficult to gauge how tough BB found the opponent. Personally I still think Law was low diff for BB and the injuries we see are superficial.
Yep, that's what I am saying. It's more of a pro Shanks moment. So let's not start using this to somehow disregard Kid's Wano feats or elevate Big Mom by association. Shanks simply hits on another level, that's all
I see what you mean. He is clumsy by nature. But that is part of his powerlevel then. Law ultimately ended up giving him a mid diff, which was pretty much what I'd think most of us expected. It is further suggestive that the Kid/Law vs Big Mom consistency is maintained.
A hypothetical Law vs Shanks on the other hand would end pretty much similar to how Kid ended, presuming Shanks gets serious from the getgo.
I'm good with this take. In fact the attack Shanks used is probably on the stronger side of his move set like Thunder Bagua (& variants) for Kaido. Any strong person without good defense (thinking Lunarian level) or aCoC taking that head on would meet same fate as Kid.
Yeah, I too think of this attack as the Shanks equivalent of thunder bagua or Ikoku. Just that the attack power involved here is quite higher.
I also think this attack one shots anyone without great haki or great defences (say Jozu or King)
That's fair. In that case to me Big Mom had very good base due to her monster body but after that I think when it comes to her combat skills she is lack luster compared to most top tiers. By that I mean she relies heavily on large AoE type attacks that look flashy but lack in their ability to finish particularly strong foes. Kid and Law are strong but we can clearly see they don't have that type of durability which is why they both lost more easily when taking more powerful attacks from Shanks & BB.
However my ranking is different then yours. I'd put Shanks >= Kaido > Big Mom.
We have pretty much the same take on Big Mom. Her relatively poor CQC/speed and attack power holds her down.
I have Kaido above Shanks until proven otherwise.
Kaido has repeatedly been called the strongest throughout the timeskip. And what it took to take him down is the most impressive gauntlet till date, and I doubt this gauntlet will ever be surpassed.
- WSC
- called world's strongest pirates post TS
- 1v1 always bet on Kaido
- most impressive gauntlet till date, while carrying an island across the sea
Dude has way too much hype, and the feats to back it up.
I have Kaido as the strongest character of the "mid gen".
Shanks has haki, CQC and attack power above Kaido though
Hm atmosphere sounds like a higher level logia power than wind would be so I like that idea. It would actually also explain how he has the ability to control the weather too. Honestly if he has this kind of power it would make him unstoppable in a sea battle since a controlled weather phenomena targeting opponents guarantees the sink.
As for who I think he'll flex on I'll say a large mass of WG forces led by Ciphor Pol & having some marine vice admirals of note too. Basically I see the WG making a move to take over an island (like what they were going to attempt with Wano) and the Revolutionaries interfering (I think Alabasta would be the perfect place for this to go down since the royal family is gone and it has symbolic significance to WG). As the WG ships arrive in mass there will be a single Revo ship in front of them before they can get to land. Then Dragon stands on the front of the ship and summons an attack like you mentioned at the WG forces decimating them. The Gorosei will be on the line with Ciphor pol as this happens and make their commentary that war with Revo's must start now. I think a giant AoE flex suits Dragon and making the WG, especially Gorosei plan fail would be perfect for him.
Yeah, the reason I went with "atmosphere" was because a lightning bolt hit Buggy when he was about to execute Luffy.
So this isn't simply a "wind" DF, it should be something more.
It would be quite overpowered too, yes. But this is what would be fitting of all this guy's buildup so far. He is the most "saved" character by far, by Oda.
Now that you mention it, yea him wiping out all the CP0 with his powers could be his flex moment.
But CP0 also, like admirals, suffers from the lack of hype moments themselves. From their failures in Wano, to Lucci/Kaku underwhelming performance in Egghead.
I am fine with Dragon taking down CP0, but first I want them to get their own hype moment so that it would feel like something special when Dragon takes them out. Else we would be like "meh whatever, they were trash anyway"
Hm I still think cutting an island truly in half would be a huge feat. I'm not imagining him just carving a canyon or something. I'm thinking the cut is so deep it goes deep enough to expose lava and truly split the island in half with the ocean forming in between. I don't think we've seen anything close to this except when WB used Gura Gura powers to do that in Marineford.
As for who he'd flex against I think him taking out an Admiral would be dope to cement the Marine Hunter epithet. I also like your idea of CG going to attack Impel Down to free the other former warlords. I think Impel down allows to hype flex moment opportunities:
- Imagine Mihawk defeating Magellan with a named finisher attack at full strength and cutting an Impel Down an island in half the way I described it. This would mean the cut goes through all the levels of hell and splits the whole thing down the middle. This would be the end of Impel Down and a giant free for all escape by everyone. This would be the permanent end of one of the 3 great WG locations!
- On the other hand another cool opportunity for flex moment for Mihawk are the Gates of Justice. Like imagine the way they get to Impel Down is Mihawk cuts the Gate of Justice clean across diagonally making it collapse all together. This would mean the end of WG ocean current and would hype Mihawk af.
I suppose yeah, that would be impressive. Cut the entire thing in half that it becomes two island with ocean in between them.
Cutting Magellan + gates of justice in half in the same swing, yeah I can get behind that lol
Haha I expect that to happen too. I think too many people sleep on his hype. I don't like making a very direct claim like Mihawk > Shanks due to be WSS but I do think Mihawk is up there. Personally I put both Shanks and Mihawk as >= Kaido. This is just shonen 101 for me since Shanks & Mihawk & even BB are essentially going to be at their peak strength in the present story and they are also the peak of power in current era. I expect the feats we will see out of all 3 to be what we'd expect to see out of Roger, WB, Garp etc when they were at their peak and at the pinnacle of their era. This forum will def have meltdown when the full fights for these characters happen.
I still don't see why WSS argument can't be used. Especially given how Oda and official materials keep repeating it and said he's that in both name and
actuality (meaning he really is that), probably cause they saw the fraud allegations and got tired of it lmao. But I'll drop it for now lol, cause that won't go anywhere.
But anyway, I have Kaido above both Mihawk and Shanks until proven otherwise. I won't have them above past top tiers by default, just because they are saved for later. Kaido wasn't taken down in a true 1v1 anyway.
The top 5 of "mid gen" IMO:
1. Kaido
2. Dragon
3. Mihawk
4. Shanks
5. Akainu
Current Blackbeard isn't impressive at all, as per expectations. He will need a 3rd DF or awakenings or something to finally surpass the likes of Shanks/Mihawk/Kaido and get to EoS villain material.
The current Blackbeard, honestly I think even current Luffy may beat him though I recognize that he has superior portrayal.
We will have a meltdown only when Mihawk gets to flex lol.
Cause with the others like Shanks or Dragon, people are already ready to wank him. The prevalent agenda here is against specifically Mihawk. Cause the dude has to deal with union of Shanks agenda and anti-Zoro agenda lol.
At this point I'm just waiting for it, I'll be quite insufferable for a couple of weeks at least when that happens lmao.
Yeah I agree she lost not only due to CIS/PIS. Both Kid & Law are impressive peeps and BM is just not as impressive as the other Yonko we've seen either (if you ask me). Regarding the haki knocking people out I think she is constantly blasting CoC haki but doesn't appear to use aCoC much.
Ehh, I think when conqueror's haki is used by an advanced conqueror's user, it is more likely than not that it's gonna be the advanced version.
There is no point in BM using basic conqueror's haki in fight against Kid/Law.
Anyway, yeah. I think it's high time people recognize that Big Mom is the least impressive Yonko. Rather than just attribute all her anti feats to plot or CIS or whatnot.
Mihawk is for sure going to be a monster. There is a lot going for him so I don't know why anyone would claim he is YC level when he is clearly going to be one of the strongest fighters the manga has to offer.
- He is one of 3 fighters who the narrator has given a World's Strongest title. The other two being WB and Kaido so it's clear Oda's intentions with these titles is to convey top class strength.
- He has the most powerful of all the 12 Great Blades in Yoru. The only other characters we have ever known to even own a 12 Great Blades are WB and Roger. Again placing Mihawk among the best of the best.
- Mihawk is the only living swordsman who uses a black blade and has been hinted to have accomplished this feat himself. The fact that turning Enma black is a goal for Zoro and that the only other character known to have done this is Ryuma makes this a very big deal too.
- His first and only bounty we readers have seen is already within the top bounties ever. I know people don't like using bounties but they do indicate the level of hype Oda wants us to have even if they are not direct measure of power level.
- Mihawk is the end goal of one of the main characters of the story purely in the realm of combat.
- Lastly, he is an unofficial Yonko. The reality is that Mihawk is the Yonko of the Cross Guild which definitely places him as a Yonko level fighter.
At the end of the day this manga is a Shonen too so powerful characters who only end up fighting towards the end will likely be the peak of the story. We don't have enough info to genuinely claim a power level order between people like Shanks, Kaido, and Mihawk BUT we do have enough info to argue that these 3 are at the peak of power in the current era.
Just do to order of revelations in the characters combat ability, I personally wouldn't be surprised if both Shanks & Mihawk are >= Kaido.
Yep, this plus official materials comparing Shanks/Mihawk to the Roger/Whitebeard of the current era.
They used to duel all the time, similar to Roger/WB. Have a friendly relationship, drink together. Mihawk has a world's strongest title, doesn't care about finding OP or becoming PK.
I'd say the below 3 are the top of the "mid gen",
Shanks - Roger
Mihawk - Whitebeard
Kaido - Rocks
People thought he's YC1+ or some crazy shit cause of the whole Vista thing, when it should've been obvious to anyone that Mihawk wasn't really going all out there.
1058 ended that for good (for the most part). The new cope now is that he is a top tier, but is a weak or standard top tier. Zoro is only one powerup away from being your standard top tier, and dudes think Mihawk is on the lower end of that spectrum lmao.
