One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[kkck]

When fighting, Luffy uses both his Devil Fruit abilities and his Haki. It appears that his Devil Fruit powers are reliant on his use of Haki. For instance, when he enters Gear 4, he employs Haki to initiate and maintain the transformation. When he transformed into Nika, his body emitted black lightning, which is commonly associated with the use of Conqueror's Haki. Therefore, in Gear 4, Luffy's transformation is combined with Armament Haki, while in Gear 5, it is combined with Conqueror's Haki.

Yes, that is what I think as well.
In my opinion, Luffy's Haki will be crucial during his battle against Blackbeard as the latter's darkness devil fruit has the ability to cancel out other devil fruit powers.

It's unfortunate, but the crew will still be a suitable match for Luffy's crew. The strongest fighters will engage in a haki fight against Luffy's top fighters, while the others will face off in other areas. For instance, Usopp will face his greatest challenge in terms of his sniping skills. I'm not sure how Oda will handle the rest, but since the majority of Luffy's crew don't utilize haki, they will have to rely on their usual methods of fighting.

I hope so. That would be cool tbh.

G4 is definitely tied to armor haki but i don't think his awakening has any requirements haki wise. If anything imo G5 solves the haki overconsumption issue presented by gear 4. Gear 5 allows luffy to manipulate his body any way he wants... To a far greater degree than he could while overusing hako on G4. Which should free up haki for regular combat. Luffy probably does need to adjust to the physical demand of awakening.

 

[Australopithecus]

G4 is definitely tied to armor haki but i don't think his awakening has any requirements haki wise. If anything imo G5 solves the haki overconsumption issue presented by gear 4. Gear 5 allows luffy to manipulate his body any way he wants... To a far greater degree than he could while overusing hako on G4. Which should free up haki for regular combat. Luffy probably does need to adjust to the physical demand of awakening.

I would like that, actually, because using haki constantly is going to deplete his Haki reserve. But I was just telling you what I gleaned from the situation. It could have been that it was just momentary CoC blasts during and slightly after his awakening.

 

[Pirate Queen]

"The strong will live and the weak will die, that's all there is to this world... The man was looking for a place to be relavent. If I were to tell you about him... he is a marine that has tasted victory against only fodder. He was embaressed during the War of the Strongest by being lol'diffed by who they said was his counterpart... a man that has lived through countless embaressing moments. Now. He attempts to stay relavent. In a way that is still rather rare in his own world... relevance by clout chasing Garp the Hero. And now.........

"Let me tell you once more... He is a marine that has tasted victory against only fodder. He was embaressed during the War of the Strongest by being lol'diffed by who they said was his counterpart... a man that has lived through countless embaressing moments in cluding thinking stopping a rocket underwater is somehow impressive, and even got his own Hero title by hiding behind the actual hero, Garp.
NO BODY, can make this man relevant... and he, himself, knows it... The man's name is... Coby, Hero of the Rocky Port incident(in which Garp and BB did all the heavy lifting)

People always say, "In a 1 on 1, always bet on Coby to be saved by a Top Tier".
Be it land, sea, or air-- out of every living thing in this world... the marine said to be the most irrelevant of them all....

(moving it it here to avoid off topic discussion)

 

[Australopithecus]

"The strong will live and the weak will die, that's all there is to this world... The man was looking for a place to be relavent. If I were to tell you about him... he is a marine that has tasted victory against only fodder. He was embaressed during the War of the Strongest by being lol'diffed by who they said was his counterpart... a man that has lived through countless embaressing moments. Now. He attempts to stay relavent. In a way that is still rather rare in his own world... relevance by clout chasing Garp the Hero. And now.........

"Let me tell you once more... He is a marine that has tasted victory against only fodder. He was embaressed during the War of the Strongest by being lol'diffed by who they said was his counterpart... a man that has lived through countless embaressing moments in cluding thinking stopping a rocket underwater is somehow impressive, and even got his own Hero title by hiding behind the actual hero, Garp.
NO BODY, can make this man relevant... and he, himself, knows it... The man's name is... Coby, Hero of the Rocky Port incident(in which Garp and BB did all the heavy lifting)

People always say, "In a 1 on 1, always bet on Coby to be saved by a Top Tier".
Be it land, sea, or air-- out of every living thing in this world... the marine said to be the most irrelevant of them all....

(moving it it here to avoid off topic discussion)

Lmao hahahaha! That's a good one

 

[Fox666]

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.

Can we not remove these from the rules?

Mihawk's power has been made more clear recently

And, huh, 30 is an oddly specific number that no longer applies

 

[Fallou]

"The strong will live and the weak will die, that's all there is to this world... The man was looking for a place to be relavent. If I were to tell you about him... he is a marine that has tasted victory against only fodder. He was embaressed during the War of the Strongest by being lol'diffed by who they said was his counterpart... a man that has lived through countless embaressing moments. Now. He attempts to stay relavent. In a way that is still rather rare in his own world... relevance by clout chasing Garp the Hero. And now.........

"Let me tell you once more... He is a marine that has tasted victory against only fodder. He was embaressed during the War of the Strongest by being lol'diffed by who they said was his counterpart... a man that has lived through countless embaressing moments in cluding thinking stopping a rocket underwater is somehow impressive, and even got his own Hero title by hiding behind the actual hero, Garp.
NO BODY, can make this man relevant... and he, himself, knows it... The man's name is... Coby, Hero of the Rocky Port incident(in which Garp and BB did all the heavy lifting)

People always say, "In a 1 on 1, always bet on Coby to be saved by a Top Tier".
Be it land, sea, or air-- out of every living thing in this world... the marine said to be the most irrelevant of them all....

(moving it it here to avoid off topic discussion)

That picture is what killed me… I guess Koby is definitely useless tier

 

[Pirate Queen]

That picture is what killed me… I guess Koby is definitely useless tier

I have one for when Zoro beats Mihawk. It's godly

 

[I Am Atomic]

Sanji fans rejoice!!!!

 

[Fallou]

Sanji fans rejoice!!!!

Sanji above WB and Garp finally confirmed
Just waiting for him to mid-diff Mihawk now

 

[XXGenesis]

So is it safe to say the old Man Trio….Garp/ Rayleigh/Sengoku are still above Law/Kidd/Zoro & Yamamoto.

But still aren’t a match for Other Admirals or Yonkou.

 

[Pirate Queen]

So is it safe to say the old Man Trio….Garp/ Rayleigh/Sengoku are still above Law/Kidd/Zoro & Yamamoto.

But still aren’t a match for Other Admirals or Yonkou.

We now have a tier between YC1+ and Admiral/Yonko

Yc3
Yc2
Yc1
Yc1+
Old Man
Admiral
Yonko

 

[Fallou]

We now have a tier between YC1+ and Admiral/Yonko

Yc3
Yc2
Yc1
Yc1+
Old Man
Admiral
Yonko

Actually this does make sense cause at least Garp and Rayleigh are at that exact spot lol. I would say WB was in a category of his own though

 

[LaGOAT]

Garp no diff San wolf, took shiyru attack,down him. Went toe to toe with a former admiral.

He is a beast man

 

[kkck]

Random thought but stronger was said to have consumed the horse horse fruit model pegasus. Basically a horse that ate a horse fruit. Could that have some special implication for stronger? Early in the story oda joked that if a human ate a human fruit, specifically chopper's, he would become illuminated. While this is not something we have seen in story explicitly there is something to be said about the folk who have consumed human human fruits. Sengoku has the budha fruit or something and he was renowned for his tactical capacity. Luffy wishes for freedom and continuously frees people around him and has the nika fruit, the fruit of someone who freed slaves. So stronger... maybe has human like intellect as an illuminated horse?

 

[albertwv]

We now have a tier between YC1+ and Admiral/Yonko

Yc3
Yc2
Yc1
Yc1+
Old Man
Admiral
Yonko

I like this but maybe call it the OLD LEGENDS tier lol, because for all we know VA Tsuru and maybe even Old Miss Buckingham may be part of it too. Who knows.

Although I think Old Garp =/> Admiral, yes to include agaisnt Akainu.
Seeing how well Garp is handling the BBP: Aokiji, Shiryu, Vasco, Wolf, Pizarro, and countless BBP fodder.
If Garp was below Admirals, then Aokiji would have taken care of it himself, but it seems Shiryu had to SNEAK attack Garp in order to weaken him.
I just hope Oda doesnt pull out the good ole "heart attack and cant use haki" card.

Ultimately I know Garp will win high diff against an Admiral. Maybe Rayleigh would too.

So I would place them as Admiral level.

I wished Oda hadn't off-screened Wolf's take down, that's what I wanted to see , NOT Vasco's flaming breath.

 

[kkck]

Welp, if aokiji is fighting seriously it doesn't speak THAT well for him considering that garp is in fact not in his prime. Of course aokiji has room to grow given his age but if he has to go all out against current garp then he clearly is below a hypothetical prime garp that could duke it out with roger and was probably a yonko level fighter. That said, I don't think aokiji was going all out though that doesn't necessarily place him on par with a yonko.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Welp, if aokiji is fighting seriously it doesn't speak THAT well for him considering that garp is in fact not in his prime. Of course aokiji has room to grow given his age but if he has to go all out against current garp then he clearly is below a hypothetical prime garp that could duke it out with roger and was probably a yonko level fighter. That said, I don't think aokiji was going all out though that doesn't necessarily place him on par with a yonko.

If you're right and Aokiji was fighting close to full power then that would establish a clear line between Yonko and Admiral level to me. This would actually leave room open to argue that Kizaru is not Luffy's opponent and that Zoro/Sanji take him on. Saturn may be the one that's the big powerhouse that Luffy ends up having to take on in Egghead.

 

[Fox666]

Garp lost, that was way too predictable.

Blackbeard said he would make Hachinosu an official island in exchange for the life of Koby the hero, but couldn't do that because he's a SWORD member

Now Blackbeard can do it with Garp the hero

If you're right and Aokiji was fighting close to full power then that would establish a clear line between Yonko and Admiral level to me. This would actually leave room open to argue that Kizaru is not Luffy's opponent and that Zoro/Sanji take him on. Saturn may be the one that's the big powerhouse that Luffy ends up having to take on in Egghead.

Kaido was tired from fighting everyone else, it's possible Luffy is still not 100% Yonko

 

[LaGOAT]

@Fox666 nah luffy is yonko lvl gear 5th puts him on there now.

Old garp to me is slightly above admiral (just tiny bit) but below yonko. This chapter just prove how strong he is. Prime garp is definitely PK lvl (WB and Rodgers lvl)

If luffy fights Saturn he will lose. I really think the Gorosei are on a whole another lvl

 

[kkck]

If you're right and Aokiji was fighting close to full power then that would establish a clear line between Yonko and Admiral level to me. This would actually leave room open to argue that Kizaru is not Luffy's opponent and that Zoro/Sanji take him on. Saturn may be the one that's the big powerhouse that Luffy ends up having to take on in Egghead.

I think the issue here is that going forward the egghead events won't necessarily maintain that structure. As in, the strawhats necessarily going up ahead enemies according to strength. I don't think we should necessarily assume that a fleet spearheaded by the highest ranked tenryubito has only one admiral and it's probably a safe bet that the fleet has at least enough vice admirals for a buster call. Numbers wise the arc is not really set for the strawhats to have one on one fights. The strawhat's objective for the time being should be to escape egghead, not defeat the world government. Though of course this should imply a number of confrontations between the strawhats and admirals and vice admirals.

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On a sidenote, I also wonder just how damn strong chinjao was in his prime. IIRC it was said he and garp fought multiple times and garp leveled a mountain honing his fist to eventually overcome chinjao's head. I don't think it's likely chinjao was a yonko level fighter but... maybe just shy of an admiral?

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 19, 2023 ---

And another thought... We know that haki sort of flourishes in battle. I wonder if perhaps the presence of the yonko in a way served to... hold back the growth of pirates that could have become monsters otherwise. The yonko had massive crews that became pretty effective at controlling their side of the world. Most pirates that arrive to the new world so far aim to join one of the yonko and work under their protection. Sure, new yonko have arrived but it's fairly clear the new world is incredibly chaotic right now. BB is making moves left and right, who knows what happened to big mom's and kaido's territories, the cross guild is clearly chipping away at the marine's military power and morale.. With the new world being in utter chaos and probably being that much more dangerous perhaps the immediate consequence is the strength of pirates across the board flourishing, even if they might lack unified leadership. Which would perhaps resemble the seas from roger's days.