One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[john ellis]

o Hancock probably wins but she’s probably walking away injured

 

[shailks]

It would be funny if Hancock and Enel were to ever meet and discuss Luffy. They both got neg-diff by an otherwise much lower tier Luffy at the time.

 

[Pirate Queen]

It would be funny if Hancock and Enel were to ever meet and discuss Luffy. They both got neg-diff by an otherwise much lower tier Luffy at the time.

Luffy hug-diffed Hancock. Her greatest loss in OP

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Luffy hug-diffed Hancock. Her greatest loss in OP

My view is Hancock won that battle (a la Shanks style) - being on good terms & ally (maybe waifu) of the future PK is much better than the alternative which is fighting for little to no reason (and potentially dying of love sickness).

 

[Pirate Queen]

My view is Hancock won that battle (a la Shanks style) - being on good terms & ally (maybe waifu) of the future PK is much better than the alternative which is fighting for little to no reason (and potentially dying of love sickness).

Realistically I don't think they end up together, but they'd make a great power couple for sure

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Realistically I don't think they end up together, but they'd make a great power couple for sure

Yeah I don't take Luffy to be the marrying type too but they def would make a great power couple. Who knows maybe Oda will surprise us with a surprise baby from them lol

 

[albertwv]

Something interesting is who was the opponent of WG before Yonko and the Revo ?

During 800 years it's difficult to think that it was a peaceful world until Roger became King of Pirates.
There was already a powerfull military organisation in the shape of the Marine, but i wonder if their was powerfull D in the past, running havoc.

Well i think there were always pirates before but not as predominant or strong as Rocks and Rogers era. It is called the Golden Age of Piracy so i assuming, pirates became more dangerous and swelled in numbers looking for the OP. Before Roger there was Rocks, before Rocks I dont think it matters just your usual criminals. I dont think there was anybody actively threatening the WG like Rocks did or how the Yonko and Revs do now.

Im more curious to know if there was another Yonko before Shanks, where Shanks defeated him and took their title like BB did. Obvio, Kaido, WB, and B were already established as powerful pirates by the time Shanks came along

Also, I wish Oda dwelled more on this "Wang Zhi/Ochako" character. It seems that he was Pirate Island's ruler since Rocks fell over 38 years. This guy must have been on Kaido/Wb/Bm's level. Maybe he was no actual emperor but he was strong. It seemed that BB needed Coby and maybe even Law's help to take down Wang Zhi.
But why didnt we hear about him 2 years ago or during the timeskip, not until after Wano.

 

[kkck]

No idea if wang zhi was yonko level or not but I can sort of see how he would have kept power all through the yonko era. Beehive simply has a neverending supply of pirates and anyone attacking would have had to deal with that shit. Even for a yonko army that much would be annoying to deal with. My question is why blackbeard would even want beehive to begin with. Capturing it was clearly a huge task for him but it doesn't seem like the place has much going on in general. Maybe it was a quick way for BB to get a fortress and subordinates? Would the pirates there even answer BB's call to arms? Or does it have some other relevance to the metaplot...

 

[Core D. Roy]

o Hancock probably wins but she’s probably walking away injured

Weirdly enough, I've had Post-Wano Coby on the same row as Boa in my tier table for forever now. Also Magellan, King, Katakuri, Vista, Pre-Wano Luffy. The entire "A" section of my table is insanely difficult to scale. Everything above or below is a lot easier.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Weirdly enough, I've had Post-Wano Coby on the same row as Boa in my tier table for forever now. Also Magellan, King, Katakuri, Vista, Pre-Wano Luffy. The entire "A" section of my table is insanely difficult to scale. Everything above or below is a lot easier.

I'm literally so triggered by this

 

[Core D. Roy]

I'm literally so triggered by this

Take it up with the manager.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Take it up with the manager.

Doctor, because I'm gunna be physically ill and it's all your fault

 

[kkck]

Honestly, i probably would have had koby at the level of dressroda bellamy. Stronger than pre time skip strawhats and above average for the new world without hitting executives types.

 

[shailks]

Honestly, i probably would have had koby at the level of dressroda bellamy. Stronger than pre time skip strawhats and above average for the new world without hitting executives types.

Yeah Coby should now be comparable to Chinjao.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Honestly, i probably would have had koby at the level of dressroda bellamy. Stronger than pre time skip strawhats and above average for the new world without hitting executives types.

I don't know if I can see this version of Coby beating an all out pre-timeskip Luffy or Zoro.

 

[kkck]

I don't know if I can see this version of Coby beating an all out pre-timeskip Luffy or Zoro.

As in, post timeskip koby? luffy was a rookie before the time skip, at the time his strength was merely good for that. Considering koby's growth seen at water seven it's not a really big stretch to think he could have vastly surpassed pre time skip rookies with a comfortable margin. The issue starts when it turns out koby completely obliterated the power scaling and he can duke it out with executives types (or higher?). And that within a series where power gaps are pretty damn huge. As in, doflamingo's executives for instance fall short of a yonko's executives with a good margin. At least I don't buy pica-diamante-vergo-trebol being good enough to be a tobiropo or a commander of whichever type for a yonko (though pica has a problematic ability). Doflamingo himself probably doesn't cut it to be a calamity/sweet-commander type.

At the moment the implication should be that anyone that can solo a pacifista from marineford can more or less solo the entire pre time skip strawhats. I don't think this was that high a bar for post time skip koby. Even without recent chapters koby was still someone who got haki two years ago.

 

[Fox666]

I don't know if I can see this version of Coby beating an all out pre-timeskip Luffy or Zoro.

Powercreep

Pre-timeskip Luffy and Zoro have become fleas for a while

 

[kkck]

In fairness luffy was portrayed as a flea during marineford. Even back then we saw boa taking out pacifista left and right while the entire strawhat crew barely won against one.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Powercreep

Pre-timeskip Luffy and Zoro have become fleas for a while

As in, post timeskip koby? luffy was a rookie before the time skip, at the time his strength was merely good for that. Considering koby's growth seen at water seven it's not a really big stretch to think he could have vastly surpassed pre time skip rookies with a comfortable margin. The issue starts when it turns out koby completely obliterated the power scaling and he can duke it out with executives types (or higher?). And that within a series where power gaps are pretty damn huge. As in, doflamingo's executives for instance fall short of a yonko's executives with a good margin. At least I don't buy pica-diamante-vergo-trebol being good enough to be a tobiropo or a commander of whichever type for a yonko (though pica has a problematic ability). Doflamingo himself probably doesn't cut it to be a calamity/sweet-commander type.

At the moment the implication should be that anyone that can solo a pacifista from marineford can more or less solo the entire pre time skip strawhats. I don't think this was that high a bar for post time skip koby. Even without recent chapters koby was still someone who got haki two years ago.

Power creep at play for sure not doubting that also @kkck Luffy also had haki before the time skip he just didn't know how to utilize it.

I think just the gap between Coby in Marineford and Luffy in Marineford was still so huge that an exhausted Luffy still no diff'd Coby.

It think current Coby can certainly cross fists with say Luffy in an extreme diff fight, but win? I think I still have to see more from Coby. And yeah I guess I was a bit hard on him after recent feats but it's not enough to get me to put him on a high level I feel is unreasonable.

It looks to me like he just awakened how to infuse haki into his punches so I think something like Pre Time skip Rob Lucci's Rokugan with internal damage is more effective against Luffy than what Coby showed last chapter against Alvarro.

Also. How many times can Coby release punches like that? Because if 1 is the limit, don't you think Luffy had the ability to dodge something like that by Marineford? If he saw his arms getting cut off by Mihawk and was able to react as fast, put Coby in that position and Luffy is performing even better.

Idk tho. If Oda gave that punch ACOC and Coby can jump across islands with 1 leap then Coby no diff's pretimeskip Marineland Luffy but I just don't know anymore

 

[kkck]

Power creep at play for sure not doubting that also @kkck Luffy also had haki before the time skip he just didn't know how to utilize it.

I think just the gap between Coby in Marineford and Luffy in Marineford was still so huge that an exhausted Luffy still no diff'd Coby.

It think current Coby can certainly cross fists with say Luffy in an extreme diff fight, but win? I think I still have to see more from Coby. And yeah I guess I was a bit hard on him after recent feats but it's not enough to get me to put him on a high level I feel is unreasonable.

It looks to me like he just awakened how to infuse haki into his punches so I think something like Pre Time skip Rob Lucci's Rokugan with internal damage is more effective against Luffy than what Coby showed last chapter against Alvarro.

Also. How many times can Coby release punches like that? Because if 1 is the limit, don't you think Luffy had the ability to dodge something like that by Marineford? If he saw his arms getting cut off by Mihawk and was able to react as fast, put Coby in that position and Luffy is performing even better.

Idk tho. If Oda gave that punch ACOC and Coby can jump across islands with 1 leap then Coby no diff's pretimeskip Marineland Luffy but I just don't know anymore

Welp, luffy had haki in the same anyone else has haki back at marineford.

There was definitely a huge gap between marinford koby and luffy. My post was comparing post time skip koby (say, when he was first shown) with marineford luffy. It was never a big leap that over the timeskip koby far surpassed pre time skip luffy.

Koby vs current luffy... Obviously koby loses and without that without putting up much of a fight. BUT I do think koby's punch is kinda up there, imagine if pizarro had taken it head on. Consider the scabbards. Even the weaker scabbards actually had it in them to cut kaido, something which people stronger than the scabbards could have struggled with. SOOOOOOOOO, odds are that kaido would actually feel koby's punch. He wouldn't be taken out by it or anything like that but it'd do actual damage if the implication is that koby can use cladding (which I think is the case).

I think koby's situation is similar to sai's who had an awakening of sorts at dressrosa which got zoro to mention he was worth looking out for or something to that effect. Even though earlier sai was off handedly one shot by base luffy. From now on koby will likely fight at a much higher level than what we have seen so far. That said, I doubt koby can simply punch like this non stop, this is a named attack which requires some effort on his part. Even garp doesn't spam galaxy punches or whatever.

Since the manga is heading for a massive war where luffy and koby will be at least for a time on opposite sides I think we will eventually see a rematch to their marineford encounter. Except this time the sky will split (and then koby probably gets pushed back unless luffy is not using any gears).

What continues to bother me is that luffy's punches never seem to have the same.... effectiveness as garp's or koby's. Luffy has a lot of named punch based attacks but none of his attacks have the same effect as galaxy punch.