One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[albertwv]

What continues to bother me is that luffy's punches never seem to have the same.... effectiveness as garp's or koby's. Luffy has a lot of named punch based attacks but none of his attacks have the same effect as galaxy punch.

Well thats due to fighting styles. Garp's fighting style seems to revolve around his fist and has obviously trained by punching battleships and pulverizing mountains. As far as we know, Luffy didnt train as extreme as Garp or even Coby with his fists. Luffy is an overall body fighter, kicks punches, bites lol. So it makes sense why his punches dont create a crater impact.

I think people are thinking too deep into Coby's honesty impact.
It seems to me its a one time ultimate finisher, that Coby wasn't expecting to pull. I dont think he can repeatedly use that attack just yet. Also Im part of that 1% that thinks Coby does NOT have CoC much less ACoC. I think that punch was ACoA.

Coby's current level I would say is at best Yonko Executive now. His CoO is still not that great when you compare it to YC's, neither is his CoA, well we haven't seen his CoA until now which is ACoA.
Current Coby can definitely defeat Marineford Luffy come on guys.

 

[Pirate Queen]

By the end of Thriller Bark Luffy was able to combine gears 2 and 3. Luffy can 100% replicate Coby's Honest Punch feat
It's not like Alvarro was coated in Hardening Haki. He was made out of rock. Destroying a massive rock hand is not some impressive feat no one but YC's can replicate.

Show us a feat of Coby doing something currently that PreTimeskip Luffy cannot replicate, I'll wait.

Reminder. Coby could punch out 1000 battleships and it still wouldn't effect Luffy without CoA at a minimum

 

[Fox666]

It think current Coby can certainly cross fists with say Luffy in an extreme diff fight, but win?

Really? I would say Koby is nowhere close to Luffy, you can't even compare them

I think Koby is exactly the same as Sai, he was at Supernova-level post-timeskip, but now learned a Chinjao-level attack

Koby only managed to break a giant hand, Luffy or Zoro had feats of that scale ever since Dressrosa

Besides, Sai and Koby have this super special attack, but overall they are Supernova-level, so their speed or durability are still no match for post-timeskip Luffy without Gear 4

 

[Pirate Queen]

Really? I would say Koby is nowhere close to Luffy, you can't even compare them

I think Koby is exactly the same as Sai, he was at Supernova-level post-timeskip, but now learned a Chinjao-level attack

Koby only managed to break a giant hand, Luffy or Zoro had feats of that scale ever since Dressrosa

Besides, Sai and Koby have this super special attack, but overall they are Supernova-level, so their speed or durability are still no match for post-timeskip Luffy... let alone Yonko Luffy

Pretime skip luffy

 

[john ellis]

@Pirate Queen how does it make you feel knowing hancock loses to zoro these days.

 

[Fox666]

Pretime skip luffy

Oh, I think Koby had a good chance before

Now with his super punch, he probably could win

 

[Pirate Queen]

@Pirate Queen how does it make you feel knowing hancock loses to zoro these days.

Why do you keep trying to bait me

You're dangerously close me me declaring attempted mutiny on you, sir

 

[john ellis]

Maybe I’m just waiting on the crew for a certain devil fruit to appear

 

[HereNThere]

Really? I would say Koby is nowhere close to Luffy, you can't even compare them

I think Koby is exactly the same as Sai, he was at Supernova-level post-timeskip, but now learned a Chinjao-level attack

Koby only managed to break a giant hand, Luffy or Zoro had feats of that scale ever since Dressrosa

Besides, Sai and Koby have this super special attack, but overall they are Supernova-level, so their speed or durability are still no match for post-timeskip Luffy without Gear 4

While I'll give Koby the benefit of the doubt and say he's currently stronger than Sai was in Dressrosa, this is where I land. He has a strong specialized attack now, but it probably just raised him to the lower echelons of the Top Officers at most. Like, I'd say he'd probably be capable enough to take out a member of the Tobi Roppo in an extended one vs one scuffle at this point.

 

[kkck]

While I'll give Koby the benefit of the doubt and say he's currently stronger than Sai was in Dressrosa, this is where I land. He has a strong specialized attack now, but it probably just raised him to the lower echelons of the Top Officers at most. Like, I'd say he'd probably be capable enough to take out a member of the Tobi Roppo in an extended one vs one scuffle at this point.

I suppose that's a feat depending on the tobiropo? Anyone can seemingly take out page one. Ulti in turn lasted some time against luffy at point at which he had defeated at least katakuri in a straight fight and with some help doflamingo and cracker. Of course katakuri is the much greater feat. Whos who gave jinbe trouble... until he didn't. I suppose koby being executive level at this point isn't that crazy if the consideration is made that his growth was comparable to other supernova. In context the more significant supernova are yonko-admiral level currently...

 

[albertwv]

By the end of Thriller Bark Luffy was able to combine gears 2 and 3. Luffy can 100% replicate Coby's Honest Punch feat
It's not like Alvarro was coated in Hardening Haki. He was made out of rock. Destroying a massive rock hand is not some impressive feat no one but YC's can replicate.

Show us a feat of Coby doing something currently that PreTimeskip Luffy cannot replicate, I'll wait.

Reminder. Coby could punch out 1000 battleships and it still wouldn't effect Luffy without CoA at a minimum

Coby was able to speed swim underwater to stop a torpedo.
He has surpassed Pre TS Luffy already.

I suppose that's a feat depending on the tobiropo? Anyone can seemingly take out page one. Ulti in turn lasted some time against luffy at point at which he had defeated at least katakuri in a straight fight and with some help doflamingo and cracker. Of course katakuri is the much greater feat. Whos who gave jinbe trouble... until he didn't. I suppose koby being executive level at this point isn't that crazy if the consideration is made that his growth was comparable to other supernova. In context the more significant supernova are yonko-admiral level currently...

I think his growth is going at a good rate, yeah at first pre-ts he made a huge jump from cabin boy to being fast. Can't really rank him at Water 7 but it seemed to me at that time he was at least stronger than all of East Blue villains maybe even as strong as Mr. 3. But that was pre ts Coby we're talking about Post TS.
Immediately Post TS, I would say he was Donquixote executive level minus the big 3 (4).
Now after this, I see him at Page 1's level. Mid-high diff.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Coby was able to speed swim underwater to stop a torpedo.
He has surpassed Pre TS Luffy already.




I think his growth is going at a good rate, yeah at first pre-ts he made a huge jump from cabin boy to being fast. Can't really rank him at Water 7 but it seemed to me at that time he was at least stronger than all of East Blue villains maybe even as strong as Mr. 3. But that was pre ts Coby we're talking about Post TS.
Immediately Post TS, I would say he was Donquixote executive level minus the big 3 (4).
Now after this, I see him at Page 1's level. Mid-high diff.

You think Luffy can't stop a torpedo pretimeskip

 

[Fox666]

You think Luffy can't stop a torpedo pretimeskip

No, it's underwater

 

[Pirate Queen]

No, it's underwater

 

[kkck]

I am guessing koby has a technique which allows him to move fast underwater like sanji. Clearly luffy can't do what koby did against the tornado but his fruit does give him range, he could simply punch the torpedo without going underwater.

 

[Rein Avara]

Are we really comparing what a non-df user can do underwater vs a df user AND running with it?
Let's be fr now, if you're going to compare at least do it on a fair basis.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Let's come back to this when Koby learns to do Honesty Gatling. Now that would put him up there and make him a threat to current top tiers (YC and above).

What Koby is right now is just Ideo the boxer, except he can pull off a King Punch every once in a while without warming/charging it up. What Koby did and can do is something that Ideo + Elizebeo can do. That's the level he's at but obviously has room to grow.

 

[Fox666]

Let's come back to this when Koby learns to do Honesty Gatling. Now that would put him up there and make him a threat to current top tiers (YC and above).

What Koby is right now is just Ideo the boxer, except he can pull off a King Punch every once in a while without warming/charging it up. What Koby did and can do is something that Ideo + Elizebeo can do. That's the level he's at but obviously has room to grow.

I think King Punch is waaaaaay above this

 

[albertwv]

I think its ridiculous to think Coby hasnt surpassed Pre TS Luffy. That's just mocking Coby.
Coby has learned CoO and CoA and even now ACoA. Luffy had none of that albeit that didnt matter all the time.
Yet Coby does not lose to pre TS Luffy.
Obviously Coby was recognized by plenty of strong people, BB, Hancock, Garp, even Kyros.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I think its ridiculous to think Coby hasnt surpassed Pre TS Luffy. That's just mocking Coby.
Coby has learned CoO and CoA and even now ACoA. Luffy had none of that albeit that didnt matter all the time.
Yet Coby does not lose to pre TS Luffy.
Obviously Coby was recognized by plenty of strong people, BB, Hancock, Garp, even Kyros.

Luffy did have haki pretimeskip so that a null argument. Luffy just didn't know what it was.

Pretimeskip Luffy was acknowledge as strong by people as well.

Give us feats that put him above Marineford Luffy.

I'm saying they are comparable, not that one is tiers above the other.