Ur logic doesn’t make sense I’m saying that elbaf kidd>wano kidd it just slightly u took as I’m saying he so much stronger than his wano counter. Imo in most cases characters are usually stronger than their previous arc even if it’s a tiny kinda similar to a zanka boost.
u brought up how Kidd getting oneshotted by shanks=shanks can one shot big mom. I don’t get how those are the same because Kidd stall big mom for a few secs. 2. Shanks used a powerful named attack . The few secs u want to use for kidd “stalemating” big mom we don’t know if she used a them same equivalent name attack as shanks.
shanks outperforming big mom is because against Kidd was focus on destroying ships first u can clearly see In The panel. Yes he wanted shanks to come out but he didn’t expected him to catch him went he was so focus on destroying the ships that the difference.
My point there is a huge gap between yonkos and their yc1 commanders. (Maybe except shanks and been beckman because we hadn’t seen them fight yet) therefore kaido low diff katakuri. There is also no huge gap btw katakuri and the first yc1 commanders so u can’t fan wank either.
and then u brought up the speed argument I don’t get that logic Kidd isn’t as speedster but doesn’t mean he isnt stronger u know their different type of speed (travel speed,combat speed,reaction speed). By that logic are u saying that base luffy from fish men-island arc=current base luffy?
bro all yonkos are in the same tier I’m saying some might be stronger than others I also said that shanks MIGHT be stronger than the rest I never said it’s a fact so please reread what I’m saying for making those claims.
I'm talking about Kidd who stalemated Big Mom before Law came to Kidd aid with Elbaf Kidd. If powercreep does exist then non awakening Kidd who staalemated Big Mom>>>Elbaf Kidd who Shanks 1 shot which destroy the entire powercreep argument because Kidd after stalemating Big Mom later got powercreep after a death fight wth Big Mom.
"Shanks used a powerful named attack . The few secs u want to use for kidd “stalemating” big mom we don’t know if she used a them same equivalent name attack as shanks."
You know Kidd also didn't use any awakening? We have panels of Big Mom cannot blitz Railgun. We have panels of Kidd tanked multiple named attacks of Big Mom. Shanks blitzed Kidd. KIdd cannot tank Shanks Kamusari. How does that make Big Mom any better?
What makes you think non awakening Kidd stalled Big Mom for few seconds? He stalemated Big Mom until Law came to his aid? How long did it take for Law to Kidd's place? 1 minute? By the time Law arrived, Kidd was still fresh he could still stall Big Mom for a longer period of time.
Shanks outperformed Big Mom because Shanks was much faster than Big Mom Big Mom cannot blitz Kidd Shanks could. Shanks ap also>>>Big Mom not that Kidd was distracted that's a poor excuse.
While Kidd was charging his Railgun, Shanks
1. Saw the future
2. Charged toward Kidd
3. Attacked Kidd with Kamusari
Shanks did those 3 actions when Kidd Railgun was still charging. Kidd focusing on Shanks won't make his reaction speed better. He still cannot dodge Kamusari. Shanks moved faster than his Railgun. Shanks will still blitz Kidd and destroy him.
Big Mom cannot move faster than Kidd Railgun. So it's impossible.
You're so desperate at this point downplaying Shanks achievement. Where's this energy when Kaido 1 shot act 1 Luffy? Didn't you say Kaido 1 shot Luffy who beat Katakuri? You ignored that Luffy didn't use Future Sight. You ignored that act 1 Luffy was not Luffy who beat Katakuri but Luffy who got stalled by Cracker since act 1 Luffy was non FS Boundman Luffy. You ignored that Katakuri also almost 3 shot Boundman without his fastest attack (Like Thunder Bagua of Kaido) if Boundman didn't run away.
Then here you are making excuses Shanks snuck on Kidd who was focusing on fodders. Cut the crap with your hypocrisy. Kidd targeted everyone in Elbaf including Shanks. He knew Shanks was on Elbaf. If he was too late to detect Shanks despite Shanks being 1 of people Kidd targeted with his Railgun that means Shanks was too fast for him for his CoO to detect.
How does Kaido low diff Katakuri when Kaido never outperformed Katakuri when fighting Boundman while Shanks high diffs Big Mom when SHanks outperformed Big Mom fighting Kidd? That's called hypocrisy.
Just because Ryokugyu 1 shot King and Queen that does not mean all yonko 1 shot YC1. Any yonko with advCoC can 1 shot King or Marco because advCoC can bypass his Lunarian defense that does not mean any yonko can hit Katakuri with advCoC which makes the fight low diff because these yonko are not as fast as Snakeman except Kaido when Kaido copied SNakeman movement.
Not saying Kidd is a speedster but by powercreep shouldn't Elbaf Kidd be much more faster than non awakening Kidd who stalemated Big Mom?
Fishman Island and Elbaf is 5 arcs apart unlike Wano and Elbaf which is 1 arc apart so there's no powercreep. Luffy got faster slightly then since it's 5 arcs it piles up.
Wano to Elbaf is 1 arc and you think powercreep does exist so where's the powercreep Kidd got after his deathmatch with Big Mom? Why did Shanks 1 shot him?
Basically I believe Kaido is faster than Katakuri so any speed feats from Katakuri are pointless to me now. If base Luffy with all his haki can combat hybrid Kaido competently, which Luffy did, then there is no former opponent that Luffy has faced that will have that level of speed, power, DF power, and haki. Nothing from WCI matters anymore.
Unfortunately all those power ups FS, advCoC, advCoA did not make base or Gear 2 Luffy as fast as Katakuri/WCI Snakeman.
Kaido cannot be faster than Katakuri when Kaido became Snakeman punching bag. When Kaido never fought faster attacks from Snakeman like Black Mamba and King Cobra something Katakuri fought. Kaido biting Snakeman Luffy after copying Snakeman movement is no different than Katakuri dodging Jet CUlverin then hit Luffy with Buzz Cut Mochi.
There is Luffy's former opponent who can outperform Kaido fighting base Luffy since Kaido is never shown faster than Snakeman without copying Snakeman movement. Kaido who got tagged by base Luffy was non FS Kaido and Kaido who did not copy SNakeman movement so how was that Kaido faster than Katakuri? It's Kaido own fault being slow. Base Luffy treating non FS and non SNakeman Kaido like a punching bag doesn't apply to Katakuri.
Base Luffy is much slower than WCI SNakeman. Base Luffy treated Kaido like a punching bag because Kaido was not as fast as Snakeman (unless he copied SNakeman movement). So unless you think base Luffy is as fast as WCI Snakeman which is impossible because Shanks 1 shot Kidd destroys powercreep argument, base Luffy who sandbagged Kaido cannot hit Katakuri.
Also add to that that kaido uses futuresight when fighting.
Only in drunk mode. If he used FS 24/7 then he won't be hit by an attack much slower than Snakeman like this
