One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[LaGOAT]

Again I'm talking about Kidd who stalemated Big Mom before Law came to Kidd aid with Elbaf Kidd. If powercreep does exist then non awakening Kidd who staalemated Big Mom>>>Elbaf Kidd who Shanks 1 shot which destroy the entire powercreep argument because Kidd after stalemating Big Mom later got powercreep after a death fight wth Big Mom. So ELbaf Kidd being slightly stronger than Kidd who stalemated Big Mom is wrong by powercreep scaling

Again
What makes you think non awakening Kidd stalled Big Mom for few seconds? He stalemated Big Mom until Law came to his aid? How long did it take for Law to Kidd's place? 1 minute? By the time Law arrived, Kidd was still fresh he could still stall Big Mom for a longer period of time.

We saw onscreen how Big Mom cannot blitz Railgun while Shanks could. We saw onscreen how Kidd tanked Big Mom attacks while he cannot tank Shanks attacks.



Katakuri is much faster than base Luffy who barely dodged Thunder Bagua on rooftop so I don't see how base Luffy barely dodging Thunder Bagua means Katakuri cannot dodge Thunder Bagua too when Katakuri is much faster than base Luffy.



WCI Snakeman Luffy=Katakuri>>>act 1 Luffy. This is act 1 Luffy

Act 1 Luffy was non FS Boundman Luffy.

Also why didn't you use this energy for Shanks and Big Mom?

Shanks>>>>Kidd and Killer
Big Mom=Kidd and Law

Yet you had the nerve to put Shanks on Big Mom tier.



He only got ap boost not speed boost. If you think Luffy got speed boost, you agree that Kidd got much faster after had a death match with Big Mom which Shanks debunked by 1 shot him.



Luffy was different because he could damage Kaido. Not because Luffy got faster. What different from Luffy was his ap not his speed.

Kaido also rarely used Thunder Bagua. Base Luffy was keeping up with nameless attacks Kaido. When Kaido used Thunder Bagua, he bliitzed Luffy again chapter 1042.



Yes pretty much. We won't ignore kits of characters just because Kaido performed pathetically against base Luffy. Kaido got sandbagged by base Luffy because he did not use Future Sight and much slower than Snakeman. Why would that happen to Katakuri when Katakuri is not a big oaf like Kaido? Do you think just because Jinbe dodged Big Mom Prometheus that means Jinbe can dodge Snakeman attacks?

What do you think? Because base Luffy hit Kaido hurting him that much with advCoC you think base Luffy was magically as fast as WCI Snakeman and can hit Katakuri with advCoC too to make an argument that base advCoC Luffy will sandbag Katakuri too? Is that how desperate you are? Ignoring how base Luffy with Future Sight still cannot hit Katakuri and got dogwalked by him?



Does Big Mom have FUture Sight? is she as fast as Snakeman? If she isn't the only way for her to beat Katakuri is by outlasting Katakuri haki. Didn't chapter 1042 teach you that Kaido who is on Big Mom tier was helpless against Snakeman that scales to Katakuri in speed?



Then post Udon Luffy is not that much faster than current Luffy. Snakeman Luffy blitzing non FS Kaido proved Kaido without FS needs an extreme effort to beat Katakuri who scales to Snakeman in speed.



1 arc does matter a lot. There's no character who gets much faster after 1 arc. I don't see people claiming that Punk Hazard Luffy was much faster than Fishman Island Luffy or WCI Luffy was much faster than Dressrosa Luffy. WCI to post Udon Luffy is the only exception you want Luffy after Udon to be much faster than WCI Luffy because you don't want to give Wano Snakeman Luffy feat blitzing Kaido to Katakuri so you made your own rules to make the speed gap between WCI Snakeman and Wano Snakeman very big so you can keep downplaying Katakuri as low diff material for Kaido.

If Kidd did not get much faster, Luffy did not get much faster. Stop nitpicking which one got much faster to suit your agenda. It's downright pathetic.

This is my last time quoting this is getting ridiculous.

Ur acting like Kidd “stalemating” BM isn’t rooftop Kidd I don’t get understand why it’s a distinction in ur brain. By ur logic kidd who got clapped by kaido when they first met is the same Kidd that stalemate bm right “they were both non awakening” right? Like this specific feat ur don’t make sense I just say it was so short and off screen that we don’t know that happened. how was he stalemating BM but he was getting clapped around even when law was at his aid? Also does it matter if it was a min? Like what the point ur trying to prove that point? It was so damn short it so insignificant was my point.

And I keep telling u big mom isn’t a speedster why isn’t that not getting thru you? We also saw kidd tanked kaido attacks. Shanks oneshotted Kidd was similar to kaido oneshotting act 1 luffy. And again I’m keep telling u Kidd is way below a yonko but u saying Kidd “stalemated” BM Kidd imo he isn’t in luffy lvl simple he isn’t yonko/adrmiral lvl in my eyes.

How is rooftop luffy snakeman the same as wci snakeman luffy? Please explain that? Rooftop luffy has advance armament plus adCoc like we both are reading the same one piece right? Rooftop luffy is stronger than wci snakeman luffy I don’t see why u don’t see that

No I don’t think luffy being faster is the same for Kidd because luffy growth in strength is more huge compare to Kidd. Both luffy and Kidd don’t get the same lvl of growth they are not the same. that were ur confusing it.


Any1 that read the manga till beleive that bm>Kidd and law they win with outside interference they didn’t win like how luffy beat kaido.

so ur saying that act 1 luffy=luffy vs cracker lol by ur logic act 1 luffy=dressrosa gear 4 luffy too like come on bro

So ur saying that katakuri will give kaido/big mom a high diff fight??? If u agree then u just fan wanking katakuri.


Bro I Just said that each arc characters are stronger than previous arc huge or tiny it’s a common shounen trope. U want nitpick moments in arcs to prove a ridiculous point. My point is elbaf kidd>wano kidd that’s included ur Kidd stalemate BM arguwment just like elbaf Kidd awakening>wano version. I’m saying he just slightly stronger simple. Anyways I’m done

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Again I'm talking about Kidd who stalemated Big Mom before Law came to Kidd aid with Elbaf Kidd. If powercreep does exist then non awakening Kidd who staalemated Big Mom>>>Elbaf Kidd who Shanks 1 shot which destroy the entire powercreep argument because Kidd after stalemating Big Mom later got powercreep after a death fight wth Big Mom. So ELbaf Kidd being slightly stronger than Kidd who stalemated Big Mom is wrong by powercreep scaling

Again
What makes you think non awakening Kidd stalled Big Mom for few seconds? He stalemated Big Mom until Law came to his aid? How long did it take for Law to Kidd's place? 1 minute? By the time Law arrived, Kidd was still fresh he could still stall Big Mom for a longer period of time.

We saw onscreen how Big Mom cannot blitz Railgun while Shanks could. We saw onscreen how Kidd tanked Big Mom attacks while he cannot tank Shanks attacks.



Katakuri is much faster than base Luffy who barely dodged Thunder Bagua on rooftop so I don't see how base Luffy barely dodging Thunder Bagua means Katakuri cannot dodge Thunder Bagua too when Katakuri is much faster than base Luffy.



WCI Snakeman Luffy=Katakuri>>>act 1 Luffy. This is act 1 Luffy

Act 1 Luffy was non FS Boundman Luffy.

Also why didn't you use this energy for Shanks and Big Mom?

Shanks>>>>Kidd and Killer
Big Mom=Kidd and Law

Yet you had the nerve to put Shanks on Big Mom tier.



He only got ap boost not speed boost. If you think Luffy got speed boost, you agree that Kidd got much faster after had a death match with Big Mom which Shanks debunked by 1 shot him.



Luffy was different because he could damage Kaido. Not because Luffy got faster. What different from Luffy was his ap not his speed.

Kaido also rarely used Thunder Bagua. Base Luffy was keeping up with nameless attacks Kaido. When Kaido used Thunder Bagua, he bliitzed Luffy again chapter 1042.



Yes pretty much. We won't ignore kits of characters just because Kaido performed pathetically against base Luffy. Kaido got sandbagged by base Luffy because he did not use Future Sight and much slower than Snakeman. Why would that happen to Katakuri when Katakuri is not a big oaf like Kaido? Do you think just because Jinbe dodged Big Mom Prometheus that means Jinbe can dodge Snakeman attacks?

What do you think? Because base Luffy hit Kaido hurting him that much with advCoC you think base Luffy was magically as fast as WCI Snakeman and can hit Katakuri with advCoC too to make an argument that base advCoC Luffy will sandbag Katakuri too? Is that how desperate you are? Ignoring how base Luffy with Future Sight still cannot hit Katakuri and got dogwalked by him?



Does Big Mom have FUture Sight? is she as fast as Snakeman? If she isn't the only way for her to beat Katakuri is by outlasting Katakuri haki. Didn't chapter 1042 teach you that Kaido who is on Big Mom tier was helpless against Snakeman that scales to Katakuri in speed?



Then post Udon Luffy is not that much faster than current Luffy. Snakeman Luffy blitzing non FS Kaido proved Kaido without FS needs an extreme effort to beat Katakuri who scales to Snakeman in speed.



1 arc does matter a lot. There's no character who gets much faster after 1 arc. I don't see people claiming that Punk Hazard Luffy was much faster than Fishman Island Luffy or WCI Luffy was much faster than Dressrosa Luffy. WCI to post Udon Luffy is the only exception you want Luffy after Udon to be much faster than WCI Luffy because you don't want to give Wano Snakeman Luffy feat blitzing Kaido to Katakuri so you made your own rules to make the speed gap between WCI Snakeman and Wano Snakeman very big so you can keep downplaying Katakuri as low diff material for Kaido.

If Kidd did not get much faster, Luffy did not get much faster. Stop nitpicking which one got much faster to suit your agenda. It's downright pathetic.

This is my last time quoting this is getting ridiculous.

Ur acting like Kidd “stalemating” BM isn’t rooftop Kidd I don’t get understand why it’s a distinction in ur brain. By ur logic kidd who got clapped by kaido when they first met is the same Kidd that stalemate bm right “they were both non awakening” right? Like I this specific feat ur don’t make sense I just say it was so short and off screen that we don’t know that happened how was he stalemating BM but get clspped around even law was at his aid? Also does it matter if it was a min? Like what the point ur trying to prove here? It was so damn short it so insignificant.

And I keep telling u big mom isn’t a speedster why isn’t that not getting thru you? We also saw kidd tanked kaido attacks. Shanks oneshotted Kidd was similar to kaido oneshotting act 1 luffy. And again I’m keep telling u Kidd is way below a yonko but u saying Kidd “stalemated” BM Kidd imo isn’t in luffy lvl simple he isn’t yonko/adrmiral lvl in my eyes.

How is rooftop luffy snakeman the same as wci snakeman luffy? Please explain that? Rooftop luffy has advance armament plus adCoc like we both are reading the same one piece right? Rooftop luffy is stronger than wci snakeman luffy I don’t see why y don’t see that

No I don’t think luffy getting faster is the same for Kidd because luffy growth in strength is more huge than Kidd. Both luffy and Kidd don’t get the same lvl of growth they are not the same. that were ur confusing it.


Any1 that read the manga till beleive that bm>Kidd and law they win with outside interference they didn’t win like how luffy beat kaido.

so ur saying that act 1 luffy=luffy vs cracker lol by ur logic act luffy=dressrosa luffy too like come on bro

So ur saying that katakuri will give kaido/big mom a high diff fight??? If u agree then u just fan wanking katakuri.


Bro Just said that each arc the characters are stronger than previous arc is huge or tiny I’m keep telling if

 

[albertwv]

Base Luffy was scrapping with Kaido; you're waffling if you think he needs G2 to beat Queen LMAO.

Yeah Base Luffy was keeping up with Hybrid Kaido both using ACoC, but Luffy still needed Gear 4 to do some damage and ultimately Gear 5 to defeat Kaido.
No way is Base luffy on the same tier of Kaido.

Also remember, during WCI inside Mirrorworld, Base Luffy was "scrapping" with Katakuri, but ultimately he needed Gear 4 to do some damage on Kata, and finally Snakeman to keep up with him.
Would you say WCI Base Luffy was on the same level of Kata ?

Current base Luffy has gotten stronger and faster but he still needs the Gears to defeat Yonko Commanders of all levels.

 

[BlackTiger]

This is my last time quoting this is getting ridiculous.

Ur acting like Kidd “stalemating” BM isn’t rooftop Kidd I don’t get understand why it’s a distinction in ur brain. By ur logic kidd who got clapped by kaido when they first met is the same Kidd that stalemate bm right “they were both non awakening” right? Like I this specific feat ur don’t make sense I just say it was so short and off screen that we don’t know that happened how was he stalemating BM but get clspped around even law was at his aid? Also does it matter if it was a min? Like what the point ur trying to prove here? It was so damn short it so insignificant.

No Kidd who stalemated Big Mom=post TS Kidd while Kidd who got clapped by Kaido when they met=pre TS Kidd so Kidd who stalemated Big Mom>>>Kidd who got clapped by Kaido. Post TS SN>>>Pre TS SN. I'm talking about the powercreep Kidd got. He stalemated Big Mom until Law came to his aid the he had a death match with Big Mom. Kidd should get much stronger after his death match with Big Mom by powercreep scaling which Shanks debunked by 1 shot Kidd so powercreep doesn't exist.

Nah it was significant. Kidd was still fresh by the time Law came to Kidd aid vs Big Mom so Kidd could stall Big Mom for a longer period of time. On panel Big Mom cannot blitz Railgun. On panel Kidd tanked Big Mom attacks. Shanks blitzed and 1 shot Kidd so you can throw those off panels argument to the bin.

And I keep telling u big mom isn’t a speedster why isn’t that not getting thru you? We also saw kidd tanked kaido attacks. Shanks oneshotted Kidd was similar to kaido oneshotting act 1 luffy. And again I’m keep telling u Kidd is way below a yonko but u saying Kidd “stalemated” BM Kidd imo isn’t in luffy lvl simple he isn’t yonko/adrmiral lvl in my eyes.

Kidd never tanked Kaido's attack.

Big Mom is a speedster or not is irrelevant to my argument. My main argument is you put Big Mom on Shanks tier when Big Mom lost to Kidd and Law while Kidd and Killer lost to Shanks. Shanks outperformed Big Mom but you had the nerve to put Shanks on Big Mom tier while you said Kaido low diffs Katakuri despite Kaido never outperformed Katakuri in figting Boundman. Big Mom is not a speedster yeah just like Katakuri is not a 1 shot man like Kaido Katakuri almost 3 shot Boundman if Boundman didn't run away he didn't even use his top attack like Buzzcut Mochi unlike Kaido who used Thunder Bagua but that didn't stop you from saying Kaido low diffs Katakuri because Kaido 1 shot Boundman.

Nah Boundman fought Kaido for 30 minutes Kaido had to use his fastest attack coated with CoC. Boundman was fighting Kaido solo. Kidd lost even with Killer protecting him in less than 10 seconds. It's different

How is rooftop luffy snakeman the same as wci snakeman luffy? Please explain that? Rooftop luffy has advance armament plus adCoc like we both are reading the same one piece right? Rooftop luffy is stronger than wci snakeman luffy I don’t see why y don’t see that

I'm talking about speed of WCI and Wano Snakeman. The problem with Wano Snakeman was Snakeman speed. So if Snakeman speed gave Kaido that much problem that means Katakuri will give an extreme problem to non FS Kaido too since Katakuri is as fast as Snakeman.

No I don’t think luffy getting faster is the same for Kidd because luffy growth in strength is more huge than Kidd. Both luffy and Kidd don’t get the same lvl of growth they are not the same. that were ur confusing it.

This is what I call nitpicking. So only Luffy got much faster because you cannot stomach the idea of Snakeman that is as fast as Katakuri blitzes Kaido? Snakeman blitzing Kaido made you unable to accept that Katakuri will blitz Kaido too that's why you made your own rules only Luffy got much faster while Kidd did not get much faster?

If Kidd did not get much faster from his deathmatch with Big Mom, then Luffy did not get much faster after udon training since he only trained his armament and the people he's fighting in Udon were fodders compared to Big Mom.

It doesn't make sense that Kidd did not get much faster after having a death match with Big Mom while Luffy got much faster after Udon despite the people he's fighting were fodders. Why fighting fodders gave much significant speed boost than having a death match with Big Mom a yonko?

Luffy got the most growth because h unlocked advCoC and awakening. His advCoC and awakening did not drain his stamina unlike Kidd and Law awakening. Luffy awakening also boosted Luffy physical strength and durability as well along with imagination power while Kidd and Law awakening only boosted their ap. Luffy can use several attacks of his awakening before the stamina drain while 1 attack of Kidd and Law awakening drained most of their stamina. There's no difference in their physical stats growth like speed, physical strength and durability.

Any1 that read the manga till beleive that bm>Kidd and law they win with outside interference they didn’t win like how luffy beat kaido.

Does that change that Shanks far outperformed Big Mom and you still had the nerve to put Shanks on Big Mom tier while you said Kaido low diffs Katakuri despite Kaido never outperformed Katakuri in fighting Boundman?

so ur saying that act 1 luffy=luffy vs cracker lol by ur logic act luffy=dressrosa luffy too like come on bro

I'm saying act 1 Luffy who was fighting Kaido was not the Luffy who beat Katakuri. Act 1 Luffy who was fighting Kaido was non FS Boundman the same Luffy who cannot beat Cracker. Kaido never beat Snakeman Luffy with FS, the Luffy who beat Katakuri.

So ur saying that katakuri will give kaido/big mom a high diff fight??? If u agree then u just fan wanking katakuri.

Just read chapter 1042. How did Kaido who was on Big Mom tier fare against Snakeman that hit as fast as Katakuri? Non FS Kaido was utterly helpless against Snakeman speed. Katakuri will blitz non FS Kaido like Snakeman did.

Bro Just said that each arc the characters are stronger than previous arc is huge or tiny I’m keep telling if

The gap between each arc is tiny do you think WCI Luffy is much faster than Dressrosa Luffy? If the gap is tiny then no reason to assume that post Udon Luffy is much faster than WCI Luffy. That's nitpicking which arc Luffy got the most significant boost to suit your agenda.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Yeah Base Luffy was keeping up with Hybrid Kaido both using ACoC, but Luffy still needed Gear 4 to do some damage and ultimately Gear 5 to defeat Kaido.
No way is Base luffy on the same tier of Kaido.

Also remember, during WCI inside Mirrorworld, Base Luffy was "scrapping" with Katakuri, but ultimately he needed Gear 4 to do some damage on Kata, and finally Snakeman to keep up with him.
Would you say WCI Base Luffy was on the same level of Kata ?

Current base Luffy has gotten stronger and faster but he still needs the Gears to defeat Yonko Commanders of all levels.

Luffy was damaging him before G4 and in base was doing better than when using G4 and no king's haki. The fact Luffy was keeping up with Kaido in any capacity puts him well above any yonko commander we've seen fight. Kaido himself acknowledged that Luffy was his first serious fight in a long time before G4.

You mean a Katakuri that was heavily suppressing himself and only fought 100% seriously when he acknowledged Luffy being near his level?


The fact that you think the version of Luffy that did this needs G2 to beat someone on the level of Queen is crazy

Spoiler: Luffy splits sky with Kaido

Current Base Luffy>Base Luffy that split the sky>>>Ryou G4 Luffy>Act 1 G4 Luffy>=WCI Katakuri

 

[kkck]

People severely underestimate the sheer magnitude of luffy's haki upgrades. While at the same time vastly overestimate katakuri. Katakuri is obviously powerful in the OP world but his observation haki isn't this magically OP thing that wins katakuri every non yonko fight. Katakuri seemed that OP against luffy simply because at the start of the fight katakuri was in a higher weight class than luffy. Katakuri simply wouldn't do what he did to luffy at the start of their fight to other pirates in comparable positions. The calamities, other sweet commanders, and whoever are shanks and BB's top executives are powerful pirates with their own stuff going on and not people he would take lightly. It's important to remember that when luffy fought cracker he had nearly zero chances of soloing him, his victory was entirely contingent on nami's capacity to shut down cracker's ability. Cracker was fast enough to handle the speed of G4...

During wano luffy got 3 important haki skills: Haki emission, haki internal damage and cladding. Haki emission alone provides luffy with an important boost to his defense (an old hyoguro used it to defend from an amnesiac big mom) and offense. Then internal damage, an advanced form of emission, provides even more offensive capacity to luffy, to the point where kaido felt his attacks even without G4. And then luffy finally gets conqueror haki cladding which even further improves luffy's offensive capacity and also probably his defense (there's evidence that kaido's and big mom's invulnerability had something to do with cladding). Provided luffy isn't being a jackass there's no reason for yonko executives to pose a threat to luffy even without G4 or G5. I suppose there's some room for beckham to pose a threat if he is supposed to be close in strength to shanks or match admirals.

 

[BlackTiger]

People severely underestimate the sheer magnitude of luffy's haki upgrades. While at the same time vastly overestimate katakuri. Katakuri is obviously powerful in the OP world but his observation haki isn't this magically OP thing that wins katakuri every non yonko fight. Katakuri seemed that OP against luffy simply because at the start of the fight katakuri was in a higher weight class than luffy. Katakuri simply wouldn't do what he did to luffy at the start of their fight to other pirates in comparable positions. The calamities, other sweet commanders, and whoever are shanks and BB's top executives are powerful pirates with their own stuff going on and not people he would take lightly. It's important to remember that when luffy fought cracker he had nearly zero chances of soloing him, his victory was entirely contingent on nami's capacity to shut down cracker's ability. Cracker was fast enough to handle the speed of G4...

None of other YC bar Benn Beckman is as fast as Snakeman or has FS so FS would be a huge advantage. None of them can touch Katakuri.

Katakuri seemed that OP against luffy simply because at the start of the fight katakuri was in a higher weight class than luffy.

Base Luffy unlocked Future Sight and the fight was still one sided in Katakuri's favour. Even if base Luffy fights Katakuri again, Katakuri will still outmatch base Luffy in speed. AdvCoC won't make base Luffy attacks faster. In the end he still need to use Snakeman if he wants to hit Katakuri.

During wano luffy got 3 important haki skills: Haki emission, haki internal damage and cladding. Haki emission alone provides luffy with an important boost to his defense (an old hyoguro used it to defend from an amnesiac big mom) and offense. Then internal damage, an advanced form of emission, provides even more offensive capacity to luffy, to the point where kaido felt his attacks even without G4. And then luffy finally gets conqueror haki cladding which even further improves luffy's offensive capacity and also probably his defense (there's evidence that kaido's and big mom's invulnerability had something to do with cladding). Provided luffy isn't being a jackass there's no reason for yonko executives to pose a threat to luffy even without G4 or G5. I suppose there's some room for beckham to pose a threat if he is supposed to be close in strength to shanks or match admirals.

None of those power up you listed increases Luffy speed which enables him to hit Katakuri. Base Luffy will still fail to hit Katakuri. AdvCoC only works if your opponent is not much faster than you and have comparable CoO. It won't work on someone who has much better CoO and speed than you because those advCoC attacks won't land. The only YC1 who is stronger than Katakuri is Benn Beckman because he is compared to Shanks a FS killer.

There's 0 evidence that Kaido and Big Mom durability are due to advCoC. You better stop making things up. AdvCoC doesn't increase Luffy's durability. It only increases Luffy's attack power.

 

[Pirate Queen]

None of other YC bar Benn Beckman is as fast as Snakeman or has FS so FS would be a huge advantage. None of them can touch Katakuri.

You have nothing to base this on...

 

[BlackTiger]

You have nothing to base this on...

Yeah pretty much I have a lot to base this on. Marco and Vista failing to hit Akainu shows he is not as fast as Snakeman. Or do you have any evidences that there are other YCs who have speed comparable with Snakeman?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Just wanted to point out an overlooked Sanji feat but of all the Seraphim fights, Sanji was the only one capable of harming one with significant damage

And this one is really for those who though Sanji couldn't damage King which was obviously nonsense

 

[HereNThere]

Just wanted to point out an overlooked Sanji feat but of all the Seraphim fights, Sanji was the only one capable of harming one with significant damage

And this one is really for those who though Sanji couldn't damage King which was obviously nonsense

I saw that. I'm not going to jump on the hype train just yet because it could just be perspective and weird shading, but...I would indeed be happy if this were the case.

 

[Fox666]

Just wanted to point out an overlooked Sanji feat but of all the Seraphim fights, Sanji was the only one capable of harming one with significant damage

And this one is really for those who though Sanji couldn't damage King which was obviously nonsense

The King invulnerability is quite inconsistent

Zoro did make King bleed in that double page of Zoro and Sanji hitting King and Queen

That said... it's possible Sanji can do it because he uses fire of temperature above King's?

 

[BlackTiger]

Jet Culverin (Snakeman slowest attack)>>>>Yasakani no Makatama in attack speed.

People now can stop gaslighting Marco speed.

There's not a single YC except Katakuri who comes close to Snakeman in attack speed.

 

[albertwv]

Luffy vs Kizaru finally, hopefully this doesn't get off-screened.
Lucci vs Zolo, how it should've gone initially.

@Crimson Ice, well we have Base Luffy kicking kizaru with a ACoA attack. If you think Base Luffy who was scrapping with Kaido is as strong as you think, then Luffy should be fine without using Gears to fight Kizaru. Doubt it though.

IMO,
Luffy didn't have to use Gear 5 on Lucci, heck I think Gear 2 would have been enough maybe Gear 4. But of course Oda wanted to show off Gear 5 and explain how DFs are made up of dreams (bullshit explanation).

Zolo and Sanji are not ready for Kizaru, so idk why so many ppl wanted to see Zolo and Sanji fight Kizaru alone.
But Zolo dueling with Lucci is a good match, we'll have a better understanding of where Lucci stands among the YC1s.

Sentomaru should have fought Luffy at first just because I always wanted to see Luffy vs Sentomaru since he got his ass kicked by him, but nah Oda pulled a dumb one by having Lucci "kill" Sento.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I saw that. I'm not going to jump on the hype train just yet because it could just be perspective and weird shading, but...I would indeed be happy if this were the case.

I'm not sure it's "hype train" worthy, but definitely an "I told you so, suck it,"

Could be shading since I have a hard time seeing Sanji actually injure a kid like that, but he was in his emotionless state when it happened so who knows

 

[HereNThere]

I'm not sure it's "hype train" worthy, but definitely an "I told you so, suck it,"

It's both, but I've mellowed out on the gloating in my old age.

Could be shading since I have a hard time seeing Sanji actually injure a kid like that, but he was in his emotionless state when it happened so who knows

I don't think that's a thing. He destroyed the Raid Suit before he could reach that point.

 

[Pirate Queen]

It's both, but I've mellowed out on the gloating in my old age.



I don't think that's a thing. He destroyed the Raid Suit before he could reach that point.

Why do you think he has the eyebro/attitude change then?

 

[Fox666]

I'm not sure it's "hype train" worthy, but definitely an "I told you so, suck it,"

Could be shading since I have a hard time seeing Sanji actually injure a kid like that, but he was in his emotionless state when it happened so who knows

Sanji was forced to fight S-Shark to protect Nami

 

[HereNThere]

Why do you think he has the eyebro/attitude change then?

I mean, he's still the same overly protective romantic he has always been. Bragging about the Power of Love and being angry on behalf of Nami.

Plus Diable/Ifrit Jambe is fueled by his emotions, so him having an emotionless mode would be antithetical to that aspect of him.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Oda approved this live action so this is Canon

One arm shanks with one arm tied behind his back is stronger than Mihawk

No arms Shanks > Mihawk

Legman/Hakiman confirmed

Also. Why is Mihawk so damned sexy

 

[shailks]

Oda approved this live action so this is Canon

One arm shanks with one arm tied behind his back is stronger than Mihawk

No arms Shanks > Mihawk

Legman/Hakiman confirmed

Also. Why is Mihawk so damned sexy

Thoughts on multiple instances where Zoro was referred as the first mate?