One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[BlackTiger]

1. Kaido is not a slug when he's not using thunder bagua.
2. Luffy avoids a thunder bagua at that start of the rooftop.
3. The base Luffy that fought Kaido is bullying Katakuri.
4. Your post was some bullshit.

1. Cannot blitz Big Mom who is much slower than Snakeman or Katakuri. Base Luffy keeping up with non Thunder Bagua Kaido did not make base Luffy has speed to hit Katakuri.
2. Rooftop Luffy used Future Sight act 1 Luffy did not use Future Sight. He did not get faster.
3. Base Luffy bullies Katakuri only if base Luffy is as fast as Katakuri or can hit him otherwise Katakuri will ragdoll base Luffy again just like what happened in WCI. Unfortunately advCoC doesn't make Luffy faster. Luffy never trained his speed in Udon. Base Luffy that fought Kaido was much slower than WCI Snakeman Luffy so base Luffy still get ragdolled by Katakuri just like WCI. In the end Luffy still cannot dodge Thunder Bagua chapter 1042 when he cannot use CoO since he was not calm so base Luffy did not get faster and therefore is still Katakuri punching bag.
Act 1 Luffy without FS

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Chapter 1042 Luffy without FS

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I failed to see the difference between these 2 images. Luffy without FS still cannot dodge Thunder Bagua which shows he did not get faster he only got stronger ap thanks to advCoA and advCoC.

4. The bullshit one is your post your have this obsession that advCoC made base Luffy from being outpaced by Katakuri to hitting Katakuri. AdvCoC doesn't make Luffy faster. Base Luffy with advCOC still cannot hit Katakuri and will get blitzed again get ragdolled again just like in WCI.

Just give base WCI Luffy advCoC he would perform as good as chapter 1037 Luffy against Kaido who restricted himself from using Thunder Bagua. That Luffy still get ragdolled by Katakuri.

Shanks 1 shot Kidd who stalemated Big Mom destroys powercreep argument. If powercreep does exist then that means Shanks is above yonko level because Kidd got much stronger from fighting Big Mom and still Shanks 1 shot him. He is above Big Mom who is almost as strong as Kaido which is debunked by the manga because manga shows Kaido fought Shanks and still said only Joyboy could beat him which debunks Shanks>Kaido.

 

[john ellis]

@BlackTiger fot what it’s worth shanks appears to be primebeard or PK tier. Atleast at the low end. He seems stronger than the other yonkos. Shanks likely could have found the one piece in the last 6 years. Although it he’s not as much as a prodigy as luffy is.

 

[BlackTiger]

@BlackTiger fot what it’s worth shanks appears to be primebeard or PK tier. Atleast at the low end. He seems stronger than the other yonkos. Shanks likely could have found the one piece in the last 6 years. Although it he’s not as much as a prodigy as luffy is.

2 arm Shanks maybe but not 1 arm Shanks. kaido fought him and said only Joyboy could beat him so 1 arm Shanks>Kaido contradicts the manga.

 

[kkck]

Crackpot idea... what if shanks has an azura like technique?

 

[Ricko]

I think that Shank is the perfect exemple of GlassCanon.

He must have the best attack power of all Yonkous, (but not the world, Akainu got it) but I'm not sure he can endure a gauntlet like WhiteBeard, Big Mom or Kaido could.

After all this guy lost his arm to a sea monster who have been one shooted by a no-bounty Luffy.
And also was wounded in his face by a no-bounty random crew member of Whitebeard.

 

[kkck]

There's no specific reason to think shanks isn't durable though. I suppose he maybe isn't quite like big mom or kaido were but ultimately their durability was attributed to and managed with conqueror cladding, if not merely sufficiently powerful haki. WB clearly had a downgrade in his durability due to his age for instance. In a flashback we saw that ace took hundreds of attempts to even get hit on WB... who wasn't even expecting it. meanwhile during the great war squardo managed to backstab WB. Ace's early inability to injure WB definitely sounds similar to the invulnerability kaido and big mom had.

 

[BlackTiger]

like big mom or kaido were but ultimately their durability was attributed to and managed with conqueror cladding,

Never stated in the manga. AdvCoC usage doesn't make the user more durable.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Where are we scaling Whitebeard's nurses?

 

[Fox666]

There's no specific reason to think shanks isn't durable though. I suppose he maybe isn't quite like big mom or kaido were but ultimately their durability was attributed to and managed with conqueror cladding, if not merely sufficiently powerful haki. WB clearly had a downgrade in his durability due to his age for instance. In a flashback we saw that ace took hundreds of attempts to even get hit on WB... who wasn't even expecting it. meanwhile during the great war squardo managed to backstab WB. Ace's early inability to injure WB definitely sounds similar to the invulnerability kaido and big mom had.

Quite sure Whitebeard was using CoO

 

[Merlin918]

There's no specific reason to think shanks isn't durable though. I suppose he maybe isn't quite like big mom or kaido were but ultimately their durability was attributed to and managed with conqueror cladding, if not merely sufficiently powerful haki. WB clearly had a downgrade in his durability due to his age for instance. In a flashback we saw that ace took hundreds of attempts to even get hit on WB... who wasn't even expecting it. meanwhile during the great war squardo managed to backstab WB. Ace's early inability to injure WB definitely sounds similar to the invulnerability kaido and big mom had.

Shanks surely has weak Super powers compared to other Yonkous. If he could survive any attack, wouldn't people think he only lacks a fleet out of personal arrogance? Instead, he has a weak fleet. Also, Shanks has strong super powers. Shanks relies on the power of friendship. However, that means that he shouldn't fight Luffy. Fortunately, Shanks does not know how to fly. If he did, something special would happen. Imu would surely show up to attack him.

 

[HereNThere]

Big Mom and Kaido's durability was considered anomalous, even among top tiers, so we shouldn't expect everyone else to be on the same level as them.

Shanks would not be able sandbag his way through the gauntlet like Kaido and Big Mom did. I'm sure, with haki, he could mitigate some of the blows, but not to same level. He'd likely use both CoO and his sword to dodge and block.

Whitebeard was covers in scars, Rayleigh has some scars, Aokiji is scarred and lost a leg, Akainu is scarred, and Roger was killed with basic execution methods. These guys are top tier, but still very much susceptible to things most humans are for the most part.

 

[kkck]

Big Mom and Kaido's durability was considered anomalous, even among top tiers, so we shouldn't expect everyone else to be on the same level as them.

Shanks would not be able sandbag his way through the gauntlet like Kaido and Big Mom did. I'm sure, with haki, he could mitigate some of the blows, but not to same level. He'd likely use both CoO and his sword to dodge and block.

Whitebeard was covers in scars, Rayleigh has some scars, Aokiji is scarred and lost a leg, Akainu is scarred, and Roger was killed with basic execution methods. These guys are top tier, but still very much susceptible to things most humans are for the most part.

I would argue the issue with big mom and kaido ultimately was that they were simply that much stronger than everyone else for a long time. Luffy over the onigashima arc became stronger and ultimately the field was leveled. In that sense kaido's and big mom's invulnerability is mostly the perspective of much weaker folk than them... Ultimately big mom and kaido were human (er, figuratively in kaido's case), however absurd.

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Shanks surely has weak Super powers compared to other Yonkous. If he could survive any attack, wouldn't people think he only lacks a fleet out of personal arrogance? Instead, he has a weak fleet. Also, Shanks has strong super powers. Shanks relies on the power of friendship. However, that means that he shouldn't fight Luffy. Fortunately, Shanks does not know how to fly. If he did, something special would happen. Imu would surely show up to attack him.

I don't know what this means.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Where are we scaling Whitebeard's nurses?

Below Hancock, Nami, and Robin but above people like Alvida, Snake Sisters etc.

Also is it just me or does the main nurse Tate (apparently she had a name) look like Sanji turned into a girl by Ivankov

 

[Merlin918]

I would argue the issue with big mom and kaido ultimately was that they were simply that much stronger than everyone else for a long time. Luffy over the onigashima arc became stronger and ultimately the field was leveled. In that sense kaido's and big mom's invulnerability is mostly the perspective of much weaker folk than them... Ultimately big mom and kaido were human (er, figuratively in kaido's case), however absurd.

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I don't know what this means.

It means that Shanks has strong super powers of a sort in the way I INTENDED to conveyingly explainify and such. I said otherwise because I was unsure. However, it's ambiguous what is true here. What if Shanks has functionally weak super powers compared to the Big Mom Pirates? Dishonorable pirates are stronger than Shanks.

 

[john ellis]

The Gaunlet kaido fought through simply didn’t impact the outcome of the battle. It may of stalled luffy enough time to awaken g5. Kaido is ultimately not strong enough to take down g5. Assuming he managed to awaken in he always was going to defeat kaido. Kaido didn’t fight anyone who could deal him long term damage besides zoro.


Also shanks 1 shots everyone in kaido’s gaunlet? He one shot post wano kid. Who is low yonko tier. Even if his protrayal is terrible.


Yonkos are simply strong enough to fight through gauntlets like this and still be in peak fighting form.

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Also @Pirate Queen without any zoro hate, how close is zoro/Yamato to beating an admirlal. Base Yamato did ok vs GB and I think had they gone hybrid it would have been a very close fight. I can’t see an admiral losing to zoro. But I can’t see an admiral walking away with all there limbs vs zoro either. Theyll stupidly get cocky at some point and zoro had the attack power to do serious damage.

 

[BlackTiger]

The Gaunlet kaido fought through simply didn’t impact the outcome of the battle. It may of stalled luffy enough time to awaken g5. Kaido is ultimately not strong enough to take down g5. Assuming he managed to awaken in he always was going to defeat kaido. Kaido didn’t fight anyone who could deal him long term damage besides zoro.


Also shanks 1 shots everyone in kaido’s gaunlet? He one shot post wano kid. Who is low yonko tier. Even if his protrayal is terrible.


Yonkos are simply strong enough to fight through gauntlets like this and still be in peak fighting form.

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Also @Pirate Queen without any zoro hate, how close is zoro/Yamato to beating an admirlal. Base Yamato did ok vs GB and I think had they gone hybrid it would have been a very close fight. I can’t see an admiral losing to zoro. But I can’t see an admiral walking away with all there limbs vs zoro either. Theyll stupidly get cocky at some point and zoro had the attack power to do serious damage.

If Kidd is low yonko level then act 1 Luffy is mid yonko level because act 1 Luffy performed much better than Elbaf Kidd.

Fought Kaido a stronger yonko.
Fought him for 30 minutes while Kidd lost in less than 10 seconds.
Fought solo while Kidd had Killer's help
Did not use FS while Kidd used awakening from the start.

 

[john ellis]

@BlackTiger luffy is probably mid-high yonko tier. Kaido was probably mid+ yonko tier and luffy is stronger than him currrntly. Luffy is also nearing the end game where he’ll be fighting against low PK tier enemies, and soon joyboy tiers

 

[BlackTiger]

@BlackTiger luffy is probably mid-high yonko tier. Kaido was probably mid+ yonko tier and luffy is stronger than him currrntly. Luffy is also nearing the end game where he’ll be fighting against low PK tier enemies, and soon joyboy tiers

If act 1 Luffy who lost to act 1 Kaido is mid yonko level the Luffy who did not use FS the same Luffy who cannot beat Cracker then Cracker is mid yonko level+. Katakuri is high yonko level.

 

[john ellis]

Act 1 luffy is yc1, end of wano luffy is mid-high yonko tier. Getting 2 forms of advance haki and a fruits awakening is one hell of a level up. Luffy got so many upgrades in wano.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Also @Pirate Queen without any zoro hate, how close is zoro/Yamato to beating an admirlal. Base Yamato did ok vs GB and I think had they gone hybrid it would have been a very close fight. I can’t see an admiral losing to zoro. But I can’t see an admiral walking away with all there limbs vs zoro either. Theyll stupidly get cocky at some point and zoro had the attack power to do serious damage.

He's 1 Arc power up away from admiral level I would guess.

As far as his swordsmanship goes I think that he is just below Mihawk and the second strongest Swordsman in OP at the moment but Swordsmanship doesn't equal overall powerlevel so his below Admiral level nor do I think an admiral would sustain any lost limbs in a fight with him