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Updated:
Rayleigh: Moved to 8.5...
Marco: Moved to 8.5...
Name: Changed from Deceased ---> To Deceased or No On Panel Fights

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Ivankov is still ahead of Magellan. What do you have against Magellan ???
 

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Ivankov vs Magellan:
Ivankov beat Kuma up during the war...
Everyone Magellan was facing during the Impel Down Arc was running away from him... Not because if forced to they couldn't fight him but because they had other places to be... (With the exception of Luffy who got his ass kicked... No argument there...) Kuma doesn't belong on the same level as Magellan and that should mean Ivankov who beat him doesn't belongs on the same level as Magellan... Furthermore the battle between Ivankov and Magellan happened 'Off Panel'... People say Ivankov lost? Yet Ivankov escaped and managed to reach Luffy & Escape... Ivankov completed his mission which was to stall Magellan long enough for them to acquire a ship nothing more...
 

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Sorry me but I insist , Ace has nothing to do in level 8 :D

Jinbei and him were equals , even if he had the advantage of being a logia. Jinbei is lvl 7.

7.5 at best for Gol D Ace ..

Don't you think ? Am I alone thinking he's overrated ? :p
 

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Ivankov was trashed easily by Magellan. And no, Ivankov couldn't even win enough time ...
http://www.ourmanga.com/One_Piece/545/17
So, please, Magellan is way better than ivankov

And ivankov didn't fight Kuma ... ivankov fought PX-0 "Dead Kuma" ... a puppet
 
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I think Marco is named as Macro in your post and it's Sentomaru, just so you can fix.

BTW, good thread!

One thing about rating character strength in general is that it actually almost never reflect reality.

Like, Luffy is in Level 5 and Crocodile is in Level 7, but Luffy has already defeated him.
Also, some characters strength are based on pure speculation, i.e Do Flamingo, we never really saw a real fight with him. Although I agree that he is around at Level 8.

And one more thing, IMO, the WB Captain and the Shichibukai are on the same level, except Moria.

I don't have a freaking idea about the VA, I mean they are supposed to have the same abilities as the CP9, (Rokushiki, maybe?), but Luffy beat the strongest member of all history within the Cipher Pol., Rob Lucci, so for me Lucci, should be around the same level as a VA.

So, I agree with almost everything, in a normal situation I think it is pretty much the levels of strength in OP.

Note: Can you put Roger and WB on Level 11, I don't have a very good reason for this, but they're out of this world, I mean, like it was said in the manga, excluding them, the rest was just silver medalists.
 

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The ranking does not include Luffy's in human will which is what allowed Luffy to beat Luchi . Im not sure if Luffy was able to access the strength he unlocked to beat luchi with after that arc. Because of this, I wouldn't put Luffy as high as them on the ranking. VA are at the level they are ordinarily which cant really be said for Luffy. Luffy reached his limit in the fight with Luchi. He literally had nothing left. The only thing keeping him fighting was his will when his strength alone proved insufficient. He was basically running on auto pilot. Its abit like the fight between rock lee and gaara in naruto. Rock lee was totally beat but the only thing keeping him fighting was his will. So basically, Luffy without the advantage of his will that enables him to fight after he has clearly been beaten is probably rear admiral level. An in-human-will filled luffy = VA. Its that simple really. My gues is that if you put Luffy against a VA, sure he would beat them but he'll probably end up in the same condition and go through what he went through against Luchi. That does not make him VA level imo.
 
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One thing about rating character strength in general is that it actually almost never reflect reality.

So, I agree with almost everything, in a normal situation I think it is pretty much the levels of strength in OP.
The ranking does not include Luffy's in human will which is what allowed Luffy to beat Luchi . Im not sure if Luffy was able to access the strength he unlocked to beat luchi with after that arc. Because of this, I wouldn't put Luffy as high as them on the ranking. VA are at the level they are ordinarily which cant really be said for Luffy. Luffy reached his limit in the fight with Luchi. He literally had nothing left. The only thing keeping him fighting was his will when his strength alone proved insufficient. He was basically running on auto pilot. Its abit like the fight between rock lee and gaara in naruto. Rock lee was totally beat but the only thing keeping him fighting was his will. So basically, Luffy without the advantage of his will that enables him to fight after he has clearly been beaten is probably rear admiral level. An in-human-will filled luffy = VA. Its that simple really. My gues is that if you put Luffy against a VA, sure he would beat them but he'll probably end up in the same condition as he did against Luchi. That does not make him VA level imo.
Do you actually read my post? I said that it's hard to measure strength because of, as you say, and I'm saying again now, external circunstances. As you mentioned in your post, Luffy's will, which, btw, was a deciding factor for Luffy victory.

And, Smoker is a Commodore, which is below a Rear Admiral. So I'm not sure about Luffy being in the same Level as a Rear.
Also, when checking all member of a certain group (i.e Shichibukai), we tend to usually rate from above. It has a high possibility that exist weaker members than others.

I think only in the Admiral Level is almost equally rated.
 
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Do you actually read my post? I said that it's hard to measure strength because of, as you say, and I'm saying again now, external circunstances. As you mentioned in your post, Luffy's will, which, btw, was a deciding factor for Luffy victory.

And, Smoker is a Commodore, which is below a Rear Admiral. So I'm not sure about Luffy being in the same Level as a Rear.
Also, when checking all member of a certain group (i.e Shichibukai), we tend to usually rate from above. It has a high possibility that exist weaker members than others.

I think only in the Admiral Level is almost equally rated.
:err The very first line of my post referred to the fact that CrownedClown said Luffy's will is not included in the ranks. I elaborated on the fact that its not particularly fair to do so. Allot of my post was also tending to the general issue about Luffy being on VA level since I had never actually stated my view on it before. I wrote that originally in my post but felt like it was pretty obvious from the fact that I never disagreed with your post whatsoever. I took what you said about Luffy defeating Luchi and made my own post. Again, it should have been obvious from the fact that nothing I said challenged anything you said. I would apologise for it looking like i challenged your post but nah

Also, I think Luffy is rear level. Apart from smoker, Im pretty sure Luffy can take out commodore level marines and Rear admiral level marines. Not being able to beat 1 out of a possible 50 or so of that level hardly means he aint on the level or above
 
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Then, I misunderstood your post.
I get your point now, but it really sounded wierd for me, hence the misinterpretation, and the Luffy in the ranking system is only from before the training, which I don't quite like the idea, but since we didn't see him in action yet, it's hard to tell. So, for now, it should remain the way it is now.
 

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Both names updated....
Sentoumaru - http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Sentoumaru
Marco - http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Marco
Macro is a Fishman pirate and the leader the Macro Fishman Pirates. He first appeared in Hatchan's Sea-Floor Stroll mini-series. Macro is a Fishman whose fish half is a fish called Macropharynx, a Japanese scientific name for Gulper Eels. His fish half is specifically the Gulper Eel classified as Pelican Eel.

About Roger/WB at level 11. Level 10 is kinda the 'Out of this world' rank as it is.
I mean they are the only ones in it and likely to remain the only ones in that rank until the end of the series when Luffy (in theory should be on that level.)
The Vice-Admirals are said to posses both Haki/Rokushiki. In all honesty Rob Lucci should in theory be able to go against the Vice-Admirals however we don't know how/if haki would come to play in said battle. Not to mention that fact that COO haki would virtually give an Auto-Win to the Marine VAs simply because they could predict all his attacks and seeing as they both use the same fighting style. Rokushiki then in theory the Vice-Admirals should be stronger.
 

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Ok now turning my sights on two individuals:

1) Crocodile: Level 7? Really? Is it because he's a logia, or that he actually got somewhat decent attacks off during the war because Oda displayed an obvious hard-on for Croco-boy? Every other level 7 should mop Crocodile across the floor as would most, if not all tbh, of level 6. At least move him to level 6. If your counter debate will be "Croc > Smoker", then I say "Smoker > Luffy" and "Luffy > Croc". Suddenly, omg scissor-paper-rock.

2) Magellan. Seriously, this guy is above Blackbeard, but I would simply accept being at level 8 minimum. Remember, the only thing that stopped Magellan properly was the release of almost all silver-medalist prisoners. We can only hypothesise what exactly took Magellan down in ID unless we get a flashback (potentially not), but given what we actually saw of Magellan no one (1) individual (heck, not even the team of jailbreaks) stood against him and came off best. The Iva arguement holds no weight, if Iva was stronger than Magellan (or even close), then team with Jimbei, Croc and Luffy and wreck his shit.

Whenever I post next I'll probably target Ace, Brooke and Daz Bones.

P.S. Would you also be able to add "CP9" at level 5 (or 4.5) for a comparison? I know they had their own levels, but generally they were around there.
 

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Ok now turning my sights on two individuals:

1) Crocodile: Level 7? Really? Is it because he's a logia, or that he actually got somewhat decent attacks off during the war because Oda displayed an obvious hard-on for Croco-boy? Every other level 7 should mop Crocodile across the floor as would most, if not all tbh, of level 6. At least move him to level 6. If your counter debate will be "Croc > Smoker", then I say "Smoker > Luffy" and "Luffy > Croc". Suddenly, omg scissor-paper-rock.

2) Magellan. Seriously, this guy is above Blackbeard, but I would simply accept being at level 8 minimum. Remember, the only thing that stopped Magellan properly was the release of almost all silver-medalist prisoners. We can only hypothesise what exactly took Magellan down in ID unless we get a flashback (potentially not), but given what we actually saw of Magellan no one (1) individual (heck, not even the team of jailbreaks) stood against him and came off best. The Iva arguement holds no weight, if Iva was stronger than Magellan (or even close), then team with Jimbei, Croc and Luffy and wreck his shit.

Whenever I post next I'll probably target Ace, Brooke and Daz Bones.

P.S. Would you also be able to add "CP9" at level 5 (or 4.5) for a comparison? I know they had their own levels, but generally they were around there.
Crocodile: Crocodile losing to Luffy 1/3 is if anything Luck... Him discovering his weakness and getting saved by Robin is insane amount of Luck. Furthermore Oda having a hard-on for Croc-boy says it all... Oda set him up in the war to be one of the most powerful characters... Post-War most people thought Crocodile was a joke however seeing that he did arguably the best against Akainu (besides Whitebeard) and kicked ass on numerous fronts not to mention was were ever the fighting was thickest puts him squarely on Level 7. The only thing stopping Crocodile from being even higher rank is the fact that he has shown no knowledge of haki.

Magellan: Seeing as multiple people have made the same argument about Magellan I re-read the entire Impel Down Arc. Magellan is strong I completely agree and after re-reading I'll move him to to 7.5 and Ivankov to 7. I really don't think he was above Blackbeard... I simply thing Blackbeard was doing his whole 'let fate' decide thing... Furthermore Doc Q gave him the Antidote to Magellan's poison which means on any future encounters Blackbeard can simply negate his power... Pretty much by Magellan not killing Blackbeard during their first encounter he gave up pretty much any chance he had of killing Blackbeard. Furthermore I highly doubt we have seen all Blackbeard is capable of and putting Magellan on the same level as other Level 8s would pretty much mean he would be toast. No offense to the guy he is strong he just isn't that strong... Simply put Magellan vs Mihawk, Boa, Beckman, Jozu or Kuma would pretty much end in Magellan getting his ass handed to him... Even vs Enel (Who is at 7.5) I think Magellan would get toasted. Enel's intangibility + ranged electricity would render Magellan's ability practically pointless and seeing that Magellan is Parmacia and not Logia his ability is pretty limit to being strong against only people who use physical attacks.

Update:
Magellan to 7.5
Ivankov to 7.
Ace to 7.5
 

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Ok now turning my sights on two individuals:

1) Crocodile: Level 7? Really? Is it because he's a logia, or that he actually got somewhat decent attacks off during the war because Oda displayed an obvious hard-on for Croco-boy? Every other level 7 should mop Crocodile across the floor as would most, if not all tbh, of level 6. At least move him to level 6. If your counter debate will be "Croc > Smoker", then I say "Smoker > Luffy" and "Luffy > Croc". Suddenly, omg scissor-paper-rock.
And he survives the war... actually kicking ass in the process. Honestly , I'm kinda a fanboy. And before the war I would have probably agreed with you. But you can't say he was outpowered during MF .. and he fought big names , emerging without (significant) harm. The dude is stronger than lvl 6.

Anyway , agree about Magellan , can't believe I don't see he was so low. Thks CrownedClown for the update. You are doing a great work.
 

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There are 2 Ace's! ROFL
And I would move Zoro to the same level as Luffy!
Their Battle Level isn't that different, In my opinion the diference between Sanji and Zoro is better than Zoro's and Luffy....
 

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There are 2 Ace's! ROFL
And I would move Zoro to the same level as Luffy!
Their Battle Level isn't that different, In my opinion the diference between Sanji and Zoro is better than Zoro's and Luffy....
Dunno .. during EL , Luffy has to fight Lucci , 4000 doriki. Zoro , Kaku , 2300 doriki (I may be wrong though). Sanji , Jyabura , 2200 doriki. The difference between Zoro's opponent and Sanji's is pretty low.

Plus Luffy was convinced Lucci would kill his crewmates if he let him go. Zoro included.
 

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Okay, only 1 Ace again...
Luffy vs Zoro vs Sanji: I have to agree with St Michael on this one. Kaku was far weaker (according to Cp9s own admission) than Lucci... If we were judging the monster trio in Doriko i think it would be something like...
Luffy: 3400
Zoro: 2500
Sanji: 2300
But this is completely speculation...
 

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Okay, only 1 Ace again...
Luffy vs Zoro vs Sanji: I have to agree with St Michael on this one. Kaku was far weaker (according to Cp9s own admission) than Lucci... If we were judging the monster trio in Doriko i think it would be something like...
Luffy: 3400
Zoro: 2500
Sanji: 2300
But this is completely speculation...
Nah, I think that Zoro and Luffy are equal regarding the strength. They fought two times already and it was always a draw.
 

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If we were judging the monster trio in Doriko i think it would be something like...
Luffy: 3400
Zoro: 2500
Sanji: 2300
But this is completely speculation...
I assume you mean how they would have ranked during Enies Lobby? Either way, considering Base Luffy near enough went toe-to-toe with 4000 Douriki Base Lucci, I think EN Base Luffy had around 3600-3800 Douriki.

That being said, I think the Monster Trio's are close to each other in combat prowess; Zoro is slightly weaker than Luffy, and Sanji is slightly weaker than Zoro.

Nah, I think that Zoro and Luffy are equal regarding the strength. They fought two times already and it was always a draw.
They have fought once, 500 chapters ago - and besides, the fight was brief, since Nami interrupted them.

OP@,
Why did you put Garp and Sengoku above the Admirals, but Rayleigh (and Marco) below? Assuming you ranked Garp and Sengoku in their primes, you should do the same favor for Rayleigh imo.

And while Crocodile is a great guy and one of my favorite characters, putting him in the same tier as Jinbei is stretching it, for now anyway (he may show some improvement after the time skip).

You also greatly overestimate Enel. While he has great destructive power, he'd be completely stomped by any of the high-top tiers in a fight - considering his serious lack of physical prowess and CoA.
Destructive power =/= fighting strength.
 

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Than you should assume, that he ranked them for their current strength, as Whitebeard was still the strongest man alive in before his death, while Rogers crew was the best in before they disbanded. Why should he rank them in their prime, if we talk about the current timeline?

We can discuss Crocodile for ever, but the only reason he lost to Luffy in Alabasta was due to the use of water, his greatest and probably single weakness. Aside from that he has never shown to be on the losing side.[Luffy used water in the WB war again}
 
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