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[Wisshard]

Fight 3 Croc did not use his powers for gods sake until it was too late he could have used Sables and destroyed the cave at the start of the fight

Indeed, I share the sentiment that Crocodile would've defeated Luffy in their third round if he had used his sand powers from the get-go. But even so, no matter how you slice it, fact remains that his combat speed was on par with Arabasta Luffy.

It also seems that you forgot that Crocodile is a dangerous man and can ALSO be a threat to his foe. His sand logia gives him really great powers : very long range attacks such as Desert Spada, and awesome close attacks such as the dehydratation that can beat people in the blink of an eye.

Indeed, Crocodile possess very dangerous abilities. But, as I've said repeatedly now, he simply doesn't possess the reaction and attack speed to deal with the people I've listed. Considering if Arabasta Luffy can evade Crocodile's attacks and hit him, than War G2 Luffy can do so in his sleep.

That being said, to be honest, I'm quite surprised that people actually think Crocodile fought a serious Mihawk on equal ground... Considering Crocodile was defeated by Arabasta Luffy, while Mihawk has some very good hype going for him; he was a close rival to Shanks in the past, and he is the World's Strongest Swordsman, and as such, Zoro's dream is to surpass him (for now).
Which suggest, to me, that Mihawk is a real top tier (at least Admiral level), and thus could have stomped Crocodile with more ease than Akainu stomped Jinbei.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Indeed, I share the sentiment that Crocodile would've defeated Luffy in their third round if he had used his sand powers from the get-go. But even so, no matter how you slice it, fact remains that his combat speed was on par with Arabasta Luffy.


Indeed, Crocodile possess very dangerous abilities. But, as I've said repeatedly now, he simply doesn't possess the reaction and attack speed to deal with the people I've listed. Considering if Arabasta Luffy can evade Crocodile's attacks and hit him, than War G2 Luffy can do so in his sleep.

That being said, to be honest, I'm quite surprised that people actually think Crocodile fought a serious Mihawk on equal ground... Considering Crocodile was defeated by Arabasta Luffy, while Mihawk has some very good hype going for him; he was a close rival to Shanks in the past, and he is the World's Strongest Swordsman, and as such, Zoro's dream is to surpass him (for now).
Which suggest, to me, that Mihawk is a real top tier (at least Admiral level), and thus could have stomped Crocodile with more ease than Akainu stomped Jinbei.

the flaw in your argument is that Mihawk did not Stomp Croc and Mihawk was trying the entire war
besides I would not put Mihawk on admiral level and Kuma is easily Strongest Shichibukai we have seen

 

[Fox666]

So, basically your argument is that Crocodile deliberately allowed Luffy to dodge his attacks, and hit him?

Bottom line is, by all appearance, Crocodile's combat speed is about on par with Arabasta Luffy.

Crocodile wasn't playing all the time. But at least most part.

He had all chances to kill Luffy in the first battle. Luffy tried everything against him, and Crocodile just ignored his attacked. Eventually Crocodile got irritated and pierced through Luffy with his hook.

Crocodile could have done what Aokiji did to Luffy. He didn't because he did not take Luffy serious. And talking about Aokiji, he also looked slow during his confront against the Strawhats. And we later saw during Marineford how fast both of them can be when they want to.

As I pointed out before, either Doflamingo and Mihawk wasn't fighting seriously, they don't possess CoA or Crocodile improved hell of a lot in combat speed in Impel Down.

I don't see any merit in continuing this debate. I've laid out my reasoning, and why I'm inclined to believe that Mihawk and Doflamingo wasn't fighting seriously rather than the alternatives, and you are free to disagree.

So we can choose:

1. Crocodile did not take Luffy serious, and would have defeated him easy if he really wanted;

2. Every opponent of Crocodile during the Marineford war (Doflamingo, Doflamingo again, Mihawk, Akainu...) did not take Crocodile serious, and would have defeated him easy if he really wanted;

What's the more simply choice?

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Crocodile wasn't playing all the time. But at least most part.

He had all chances to kill Luffy in the first battle. Luffy tried everything against him, and Crocodile just ignored his attacked. Eventually Crocodile got irritated and pierced through Luffy with his hook.

Crocodile could have done what Aokiji did to Luffy. He didn't because he did not take Luffy serious. And talking about Aokiji, he also looked slow during his confront against the Strawhats. And we later saw during Marineford how fast both of them can be when they want to.
So we can choose:

1. Crocodile did not take Luffy serious, and would have defeated him easy if he really wanted;

2. Every opponent of Crocodile during the Marineford war (Doflamingo, Doflamingo again, Mihawk, Akainu...) did not take Crocodile serious, and would have defeated him easy if he really wanted;

What's the more simple choice?

Bravo Bravo

 

[Wisshard]

He had all chances to kill Luffy in the first battle. Luffy tried everything against him, and Crocodile just ignored his attacked. Eventually Crocodile got irritated and pierced through Luffy with his hook.

So what? Like I said, no matter how you slice it, Crocodile's combat speed was roughly equal to Arabasta Luffy, who was able to evade his attacks [sand 1, hook 2], and hit him [3].

And talking about Aokiji, he also looked slow during his confront against the Strawhats.

Cool, Aokiji didn't go all out when he stomped the Straw Hats. Good find.

The difference is that we obviously saw the limits of Crocodile's combat speed (Arabasta Luffy was able to evade his attacks and land attacks on him), which we didn't in Aokiji's case (since he effortlessly defeated the Monster Trio).

1. Crocodile did not take Luffy serious, and would have defeated him easy if he really wanted

Crocodile sure as hell wasn't fighting to loose; he took Luffy seriously [3, 4, 5, 6 etc.] and fought to kill him [7].

2. Every opponent of Crocodile during the Marineford war (Doflamingo, Doflamingo again, Mihawk, Akainu...) did not take Crocodile serious, and would have defeated him easy if he really wanted;

Crocodile fought Akainu together with 14 of Whitebeard's Commander [8], hence I don't think I need to comment on that fight.

It's hardly far-fetched that Doflamingo, carefree and fun-loving as he is, wasn't fighting Crocodile seriously, but was just playing around. Considering his several attempts to recruit Crocodile suggest that he wasn't trying to kill him.
Besides, while Jozu blitzed Crocodile [9 (note that Crocodile saw Jozu before he charged), 10], Doflamingo was apparently fast enough to intercept and stop Jozu in his track [11]. Which strongly indicates that Doflamingo is far faster than Crocodile.

And we do not know the circumstances around Crocodile's clash with Mihawk. We only saw Mihawk parry an attack from Crocodile [12], and for all we know, their fight was interrupted a second later by the mass of WB commanders, NW captains etc., centered around Luffy [13].

 

[BlackSword]

Please let us End the Crocodile discussion... It can go on forever without end. Crocodile's current position can't possibly bet that offensive to people... And the fact that it seems about even amount of people think he belongs there and an even amount think he doesn't. He isn't on the same level as Doflamingo/Mihawk or Jozu so I don't understand the purpose of That argument. As for why he is above Luffy it is simply on account of his powers versatility and it's applications. Crocodile will remain in rank 7.
4 Pages of Crocodile Discussion! Lol

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Please let us End the Crocodile discussion... It can go on forever without end. Crocodile's current position can't possibly bet that offensive to people... And the fact that it seems about even amount of people think he belongs there and an even amount think he doesn't. He isn't on the same level as Doflamingo/Mihawk or Jozu so I don't understand the purpose of That argument. As for why he is above Luffy it is simply on account of his powers versatility and it's applications. I will move Crocodile down to the same level as Smoker & Pacifistas 6.5
4 Pages of Crocodile Discussion! Lol

He is on their level Move him up not down

the reason we care is because Croc is the most badass villain in one piece

 

[BlackSword]

You think he should be moved up several other people think he should be moved down... I guess he will stay were he is... No way to make everyone happy with his ranking but I feel that he can keep up with all the people in rank 7...

 

[MonsterEnvy]

You think he should be moved up several other people think he should be moved down... I guess he will stay were he is... No way to make everyone happy with his ranking but I feel that he can keep up with all the people in rank 7...

Actully severl other people agree with me and I don't think anyone really wants him moved down but i will wait till Croc starts showing what he can do after the time skip before Bringing him up again

also you should add Shiki to the list unless you already have i would put him on level 8 or 9

 

[Fox666]

So what? Like I said, no matter how you slice it, Crocodile's combat speed was roughly equal to Arabasta Luffy, who was able to evade his attacks [sand 1, hook 2], and hit him [3].


Cool, Aokiji didn't go all out when he stomped the Straw Hats. Good find.

The difference is that we obviously saw the limits of Crocodile's combat speed (Arabasta Luffy was able to evade his attacks and land attacks on him), which we didn't in Aokiji's case (since he effortlessly defeated the Monster Trio).


Crocodile sure as hell wasn't fighting to loose; he took Luffy seriously [3, 4, 5, 6 etc.] and fought to kill him [7].

Just a note: seven out of the eight of the images you posted are from the 3rd fight beetween Luffy and Crocodile...

Crocodile fought Akainu together with 14 of Whitebeard's Commander [8], hence I don't think I need to comment on that fight.

It's hardly far-fetched that Doflamingo, carefree and fun-loving as he is, wasn't fighting Crocodile seriously, but was just playing around. Considering his several attempts to recruit Crocodile suggest that he wasn't trying to kill him.
Besides, while Jozu blitzed Crocodile [9 (note that Crocodile saw Jozu before he charged), 10], Doflamingo was apparently fast enough to intercept and stop Jozu in his track [11]. Which strongly indicates that Doflamingo is far faster than Crocodile.

And we do not know the circumstances around Crocodile's clash with Mihawk. We only saw Mihawk parry an attack from Crocodile [12], and for all we know, their fight was interrupted a second later by the mass of WB commanders, NW captains etc., centered around Luffy [13].

So you say I am slicing things up? See, I just need to say that one guy did not take another guy serious (Luffy x Crocodile)... you need to explain why a bunch of guys consecutively did not take Crocodile serious.

You can have tons of explanation for tons of different opponents... I can do the same, I can say that in the last fight Crocodile was running out of time because of the ruins that would crush him, and Luffy is too ignorant to worry about that during the fight.

And a first note: Doflamingo did not intercepted Jozu. He clearly is shown moving his fingers in the preceding panel when he was right at the side of Crocodile. He actually jumped on Jozu's paralyzed back.

And a second note: Marineford war saga did not show a lot of battles. I.e. Mihawk vs Vista, the second encounter of Crocodile and Doflamingo, and Crocodile vs Mihawk. However, that doesn't mean that these battle did not happen (or that the few panels shown tells everything that happened in these battles).

 

[DEATHBOTT]

You think he should be moved up several other people think he should be moved down... I guess he will stay were he is... No way to make everyone happy with his ranking but I feel that he can keep up with all the people in rank 7...

hey bro like your list so far. i mentioned some characters that should imo be on the list except my posts got bogged down with the crocodile arguments.

inazuma - 6.5
kuro - 1
don kreig - 0.5
helmeppo - 2
jango - 1
fullbody - 1
hina - 4
ryuuma - 4.5
oars - 7
demon guards - 4.5
sadi-chan - 4
hannyabal - 4.5
wapol - 0.5
drake and hawkins should be moved up to 5.5 imo seemed stronger than other supernovas but not as strong as kid, law and luffy.
and handcock should be down 7.5 or 7 imo. she seemed around jinbeis level.

 

[bittman]

Just gonna pick out one of these:

hina - 4

Because Luffy dodged her? So, because Luffy dodged her, he can defeat her? Probably same arguement that applies to Crocodile applies here, Hina seems to be able to somewhat make her body intangible and lock people within parts they pass through.

Where would I actually rate her? Well I wouldn't to be honest. She has nothing to compare against other than the fact that her rank is above Smokers (or is it equal now) and that Luffy dodged her attack. Neither if these are defining points, it would be like rating Kizaru after Hawkins was able to avoid being one-shotted.

Rouuuughly agree with the rest. I do believe Hawkins and Drake stand out, and plot-wise I would actually rate them of Kidd and Law's level (in fact, their bounty is larger than Law's if memory serves me correctly, but Law does have a lot of fanboys and screentime in comparison).

Hancock...hmm I can't pick her still. I would agree with her being on Jimbei's level, but I can't say we've honestly seen her fight, and when we have she has held her own quite well.

To me, to rate a fighter I need to see them both in victory (so we know who they are above), and defeat (so we know who they are below). Hancock is thus far lacked a real challenge.

 

[Wisshard]

Just a note: seven out of the eight of the images you posted are from the 3rd fight between Luffy and Crocodile...

Indeed, but even if he wasn't utilizing his sand powers (though he attempted to drain Luffy with his right hand a couple of times), Crocodile still tried to dodge Luffy's attacks to his best abilities, and tried to gut him with his poisonous hook.

So you say I am slicing things up? See, I just need to say that one guy did not take another guy serious (Luffy x Crocodile)... you need to explain why a bunch of guys consecutively did not take Crocodile serious.

Thing is, you greatly cheapen our protagonist achievement when you claim that not only did Luffy have huge advantages against Crocodile in their third fight (liquid, knowledge, survived twice, Crocodile fought in CQC etc.), but Crocodile wasn't even fighting to win in the first place.

Besides, it's not "a bunch of guys", it's only Doflamingo and Mihawk.

I can say that in the last fight Crocodile was running out of time because of the ruins that would crush him

^Crocodile is a sand logia (hence, he wouldn't die if the tomb fell in, and he could just turn it all into sand), and he is hardly the kind of guy who worries anyway.

Doflamingo did not intercepted Jozu. He clearly is shown moving his fingers in the preceding panel when he was right at the side of Crocodile. He actually jumped on Jozu's paralyzed back.

Or Doflamingo moved his fingers when he was on Jozu's back, we don't know. Either way, he was shown to have much better reaction speed than Crocodile.

That being said, I put Mihawk as a top tier, about on par with the Admirals, and Crocodile as weaker than Jinbei (since the latter possess G2+ speed, G3+ strength, and most likely CoA (and CoO)), and since we all saw the contemptuous ease with which Akainu stomped Jinbei, I don't think Crocodile would last very long against a Mihawk who wants to kill him. The gap between top tiers and high tiers is simply that big.

But I'll drop the argument here, as CrownedClown pleads us to.

 

[DEATHBOTT]

Just gonna pick out one of these:



Because Luffy dodged her? So, because Luffy dodged her, he can defeat her? Probably same arguement that applies to Crocodile applies here, Hina seems to be able to somewhat make her body intangible and lock people within parts they pass through.

Where would I actually rate her? Well I wouldn't to be honest. She has nothing to compare against other than the fact that her rank is above Smokers (or is it equal now) and that Luffy dodged her attack. Neither if these are defining points, it would be like rating Kizaru after Hawkins was able to avoid being one-shotted.

Rouuuughly agree with the rest. I do believe Hawkins and Drake stand out, and plot-wise I would actually rate them of Kidd and Law's level (in fact, their bounty is larger than Law's if memory serves me correctly, but Law does have a lot of fanboys and screentime in comparison).

Hancock...hmm I can't pick her still. I would agree with her being on Jimbei's level, but I can't say we've honestly seen her fight, and when we have she has held her own quite well.

To me, to rate a fighter I need to see them both in victory (so we know who they are above), and defeat (so we know who they are below). Hancock is thus far lacked a real challenge.

hina used to be the same rank as smoker but then he got promoted to commodore. she couldnt even follow luffys speed, if he had attacked her and not just run away she would have been beaten imo.

i know drake has a higher bounty than law but i dont think hawkins does.

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and you guys enough with the crocodile crap. op said he is not changeing his rank until more evidence is made available, so take it to another thread.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Why is mihawk, who is a greater swordsman then shanks, 2 ranks below shanks.

Fandomism i think lol


Rankings:
Level 10: (in their prime WhiteBeard, Gol D. Roger)
Level 9.5: (prime Garp , Sengoku) , Mihawk , Rayleigh (in his prime)
Level 9: Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji & Shanks and other younko
Level 8.5: Garp, Rayleigh , Sengoku
Level 8: Jozu,Marco, Vista Kuma(Not Pacifista), Doflamingo, Hancock, Beckman, BlackBeard, Ivankov, Magellan, Ace
Level 7.5: , Sentoumaru , shiryuu
Level 7: Vice Admirals, Crocodile, Jimbei,
Level 6.5: Smoker, Pacafista, Enel
Level 6: Luffy (Pre-Time Skip), Rob Lucci, T. Law, A. Kidd, Moria , Zoro(pre-time skip)
Level 5: killer, Sanji, Supernova's
Level 4: Daz Bones, Brook, Franky, Robin
Level 3: Taishigi, , Bon Kurea, Nami, Chopper, Usopp,
Level 2: Bellamy & Arlong , coby & helmeppo
Level 1: Duvall, Buggy, Galdino

 

[MonsterEnvy]

hey bro like your list so far. i mentioned some characters that should imo be on the list except my posts got bogged down with the crocodile arguments.

inazuma - 6.5
kuro - 1
don kreig - 0.5
helmeppo - 2
jango - 1
fullbody - 1
hina - 4
ryuuma - 4.5
oars - 7
demon guards - 4.5
sadi-chan - 4
hannyabal - 4.5
wapol - 0.5
drake and hawkins should be moved up to 5.5 imo seemed stronger than other supernovas but not as strong as kid, law and luffy.
and handcock should be down 7.5 or 7 imo. she seemed around jinbeis level.

Hannibel is Probley a 5.5 while he could not beat Luffy
Luffy really was not Making any Progross in beating him as the dude would not stay down

Sadi-chan was fighting well with Ivankov and was said to be Stronger then the 4 demon guards combined

Hawkins and Drake are Problley Stronger then Law and should be on the same level as them as they were having no problems in the new world

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Why is mihawk, who is a greater swordsman then shanks, 2 ranks below shanks.

Fandomism i think lol


Rankings:
Level 10: (in their prime WhiteBeard, Gol D. Roger)
Level 9.5: (prime Garp , Sengoku) , Mihawk , Rayleigh (in his prime)
Level 9: Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji & Shanks and other younko
Level 8.5: Garp, Rayleigh , Sengoku
Level 8: Jozu,Marco, Vista Kuma(Not Pacifista), Doflamingo, Hancock, Beckman, BlackBeard, Ivankov, Magellan, Ace
Level 7.5: , Sentoumaru , shiryuu
Level 7: Vice Admirals, Crocodile, Jimbei,
Level 6.5: Smoker, Pacafista, Enel
Level 6: Luffy (Pre-Time Skip), Rob Lucci, T. Law, A. Kidd, Moria , Zoro(pre-time skip)
Level 5: killer, Sanji, Supernova's
Level 4: Daz Bones, Brook, Franky, Robin
Level 3: Taishigi, , Bon Kurea, Nami, Chopper, Usopp,
Level 2: Bellamy & Arlong , coby & helmeppo
Level 1: Duvall, Buggy, Galdino

Actully i think its your Fandonism because there is no way Mihawk is the Strongest Living person in one Piece

he is below Shanks Because Shanks is a Haki Master and he was Probley much worse with Haki 10 years ago the last time he fought Mihawk then now while Mihawk has shown no signs of Haki

hina used to be the same rank as smoker but then he got promoted to commodore. she couldnt even follow luffys speed, if he had attacked her and not just run away she would have been beaten imo.

i know drake has a higher bounty than law but i dont think hawkins does.
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and you guys enough with the crocodile crap. op said he is not changeing his rank until more evidence is made available, so take it to another thread.

Hawkins has the 3rd highest supernova bounty and is Probley stronger then Law

all future Croc debata can go to my Mihawk vs Crocodile Thread

 

[DutchPhoenix]

he is below Shanks Because Shanks is a Haki Master and he was Probley much worse with Haki 10 years ago the last time he fought Mihawk then now while Mihawk has shown no signs of Haki


Go tell oda that, he stated mihawk as most powerfull swordsman so he is, if you disagree, send a letter to oda, the write of this manga.

ps: mihawk showed great mastery of observation haki.
who knows what else he is capable off

 

[St Michael]

Go tell oda that, he stated mihawk as most powerfull swordsman so he is, if you disagree, send a letter to oda, the write of this manga.

Déjà vu ..

ps: mihawk showed great mastery of observation haki.
who knows what else he is capable off

Where ? I don't remember something like that.

 

[beastboy]

C'mon, Crocodile is a big (?), period!

Let's wait for the Post-TS ranks!

 

[MonsterEnvy]

he is below Shanks Because Shanks is a Haki Master and he was Probley much worse with Haki 10 years ago the last time he fought Mihawk then now while Mihawk has shown no signs of Haki


Go tell oda that, he stated mihawk as most powerfull swordsman so he is, if you disagree, send a letter to oda, the write of this manga.

ps: mihawk showed great mastery of observation haki.
who knows what else he is capable off

that does not counter my argurment at all
Mihawk has never shown any signs of Haki and was on Shanks level 10 years (now 12) before now when Shanks lost his Arm

Shanks may not be counted as a swords men and Probley uses a fighting based on Haki which he is no doubt better at now as back then his Haki could Scare a weak seaking away now it Makes Whitebeard crew members faint