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[Crazytype]

Go join Dragon and actually put his genius to use saving lives from the cruelty of the corrupt WG, which he knows is corrupt and cruel, instead of handing the WG a bunch of tools to help the WG solidify their cruel and destructive stranglehold on the world?

The WG would be laughably weak if it wasn’t for him. All of the things he gave them were being used to enslave and kill people, not protect them, because the WG doesn’t actually protect anyone but the CDs, and they don’t even seem that great at that.

Places that were under Whitebeard, or even Big Mom’s protection were far safer than any island flying the WG flag.

The WG is just a glorified pirate crew who doesn’t actually provide any benefits to the people it’s collecting tithes for.

Thats not entirely true. The majority of people suffer greatly because of the pirate age. The majority of marines help the people from pirate that cause suffering and carnage. The majority of pirate crews are not like the straw heads, they use their power to get what they want and oppress the weak. Of course if you challenge the WG, are not part of a affiliated nation, are part of rare race or just have bad luck to live in a remote island, than the WG might destroy you anyway.
Vegapunk joining a Yonkou would cause an outright war between the yonkou because it would mess with the power equilibrium and I dont think the RA is strong enough to protect him. They can not fight open warfare against the marines but fight skirmishes like in guerrilla warfare. I mean the RA couldn't even protect one high ranking member that was kidnapped not did they really try. What makes you think that Vegapunk, one of the most sought after scientist, would be safe in their ranks?

 

[Trip_LLL]

Vegapunk is the opposite of the people of Elbaf. He was very specific about NOT using that word in his observations of history, but for himself he literally called 1/6 of himself EVIL. He is not a man to make subjective classifications.

You're right about him not being the one to make subjective classifications, but it goes deeper with Lilith and York, and it all revolves around the fact that Vegapunk misjudged his "greed."
Fundamentally, Lilith is subservient to "greed."
Why can we say that?
Because when Lilith is introduced, I believe she was introduced with the notion that she is so evil she would even steal from pirates.
Later on, another expression of her "evil" was how worked up she got over the idea of a seraphim being damaged because of how much it cost.

Understanding that Vegapunk was a horrible judge of character, one would then see that what Vegapunk characterized as "evil" was the desire to take another's possessions. THAT is what Lilith symbolized--the willingness to take what doesn't belong to them.
And this prioritization of money/wealth fits with every single one of his other characterizations with funds, and is consistent with the fact that he underestimated his greed.

@Federicoxxx never doubt your queen. Ever again

I would love it if Luffy just flat out shook it off. my hopes and dreams are coming true. Now I just need Kuma's revival XD

 

[Buggy D. Clown]

Is there a break this week or spoilers just late??

 

[Kizaruuu]

dafuq is wrong with Pew... Spoilers should have been usually dropped by now...
guess all the SBS and 600 Millions sold copies stuff caused this delay...

 

[HakunaMatata]

And how is that different from every other Yonko crew?

They actually do stuff instead of crying.
They don't constantly fall for every basic trap.
They certainly don't get the same treatment from Oda.

 

[Franz]

Is there a break this week or spoilers just late??

No, the chapter is there

 

[kkck]

The drums of liberation freeing domi reversi folk makes some sense but it seems almost too easy. I wonder if this can also affect god knights... maybe it could be the extra kick for gunko to become free since she is already trying to resist imu.

 

[SanaNeOlm]

They actually do stuff instead of crying.
They don't constantly fall for every basic trap.
They certainly don't get the same treatment from Oda.

It's the pov bias, right? We follow the SHs so we see every little stupid thing they go through.
Additionally, other Yonko crews are well established groups. They existed way longer than the SHs. They also remain (from what we have seen) mainly in one place and have rigid power structures in place whereas the SHs usually attack others on their turf and are still in the exploration and growing phase of their journey.

Not that I disagree though. I also would love to see the others do something tangible and comparable to the Monster Trio but with the introduction of Haki and recently more Haki = better + hereditary Haki, we reached a different kind of story from before. I always think back to Marineford. Most of the New World pirates were entirely unimpressive. I guess that's the rest of the SHs hopefully excluding Jimbei.

 

[Imfamux]

@Federicoxxx never doubt your queen. Ever again

So imu wont be able to turn loki

 

[HakunaMatata]

It's the pov bias, right? We follow the SHs so we see every little stupid thing they go through.
Additionally, other Yonko crews are well established groups. They existed way longer than the SHs. They also remain (from what we have seen) mainly in one place and have rigid power structures in place whereas the SHs usually attack others on their turf and are still in the exploration and growing phase of their journey.

Not that I disagree though. I also would love to see the others do something tangible and comparable to the Monster Trio but with the introduction of Haki and recently more Haki = better + hereditary Haki, we reached a different kind of story from before. I always think back to Marineford. Most of the New World pirates were entirely unimpressive. I guess that's the rest of the SHs hopefully excluding Jimbei.

I'm disappointed because we follow them.
Character development is almost nonexistent.

Worse, they're regressing.

Usopp used to be crafty. Dude spent 2 years around plants but can't see that thorn weakness is fire ?

Nami used to be intelligent, now she just whines most of the time.

I guess Chopper is still in the story because it sells figures.

Jinbei is that meme where the boss gets nerfed to oblivion after joining the party.

Yonko crew are well established groups but Luffy's crew achieved way more than all of them in less than a year lmao.
That's my problem.
Either the crew is strong enough for their current status to be believable, or there's a serious problem with the character development.

Aside from a few flashes of brilliance, everything is thanks to Oda's three favorites plus the guest stars.

I really don't understand why people are surprised that I expect more than half the crew being sidelined when there was plenty of room for them to act, without it being on the same scale as the strongest.

We're at the end of the series, which is like 29 years old, and we're still stuck with the same stuff as in 2001.
What was funny and acceptable then is nothing more than nonsense now.

 

[Tonix]

I dont think the RA is strong enough to protect him. They can not fight open warfare against the marines but fight skirmishes like in guerrilla warfare.

I mean, having Vegapunk making stuff for them instead of the WG would have allowed the RA to become a lot stronger a lot faster. And it’s not like Vegapunk would have to go out on missions.

Only giving his inventions to the WG boosted the WGs stranglehold on the world while not actually helping the common people.

The majority of people suffer greatly because of the pirate age. The majority of marines help the people from pirate that cause suffering and carnage.

That’s not entirely true. The majority of people just suffer unless they are under the protection of one of the 5 main powers.

The protection of an Emperor actually means something, because they station strong fighters on islands they control and will send an even stronger force to defend it/hunt down the attackers, which is their version of a Buster Call.

The WG doesn’t do that. Their strong members mostly just chill at their bases and only come out when the CDs tell them to. We’ve seen how one strong crew like the Strawhats could wipe out all the bad pirates (some of which were endorsed by the WG) why aren’t the Marines doing that?

The Strawhats basically solved the pirate problem in East Blue single-handedly in like a month. Why wasn’t Garp, who regularly visited East Blue to check in on Luffy and Ace, not just wiping out all the pirates on his way back to Marineford? Why doesn’t every WG island have a Vice Admiral or at least a Commander stationed on it?

We’ve seen Smoker pretty much shut down the entrance to the Grandline and the entrance to the New World to like 99% of pirates all by himself, and he’s no where near being close to being the strongest Marine. The WG could easily be doing that on all their islands, but they aren’t.

 

[Federicoxxx]

@Federicoxxx never doubt your queen. Ever again

it wasnt cause they kill each other ?.. i dont doubt it.. but if true it is pretty daam lame.. speciallt coming from a direct tech from Imu itself... goodbye to the drama related to.. Not only beat them.. if not also the descision related to having to kill your friends or nakamas, while they are triying to kill you and keep causing chaos..

i also say the power would also relays on Luffy but not as simple as just he being there.. if not a more serious tech.

 

[Pirate Queen]

it wasnt cause they kill each other ?.. i dont doubt it.. but if true it is pretty daam lame.. speciallt coming from a direct tech from Imu itself... goodbye to the drama related to.. Not only beat them.. if not also the descision related to having to kill your friends or nakamas, while they are triying to kill you and keep causing chaos..

i also say the power would also relays on Luffy but not as simple as just he being there.. if not a more serious tech.

 

[Federicoxxx]

If true.. Imu resulted quite a weak ass, at least against Luffy... more reason to believe the second fruit Xebec's never mentioned it was indeed the Nika one

So.. Nidhoog one is capable to Kill Gk's

While Nika One is capable to return domi reverse people to normal ?

 

[kkck]

That's an amazing mechanic for domi reversi. If garp and roger had hit xebec just a little harder he would have been fine and survived. His luck ran out...

 

[Crazytype]

That's an amazing mechanic for domi reversi. If garp and roger had hit xebec just a little harder he would have been fine and survived. His luck ran out...

He survived and turned normal, but Garling killed him soon after.

 

[Tonix]

And don’t forget the new end all be all which is CoC Haki. Do Dorry and Broggy have it? They might just not have been able to hit each other hard enough to negate the regen stuff, whereas Roger and Garp doing a full double CoC attack was hard enough to negate it.

 

[kkck]

He survived and turned normal, but Garling killed him soon after.

Yeah, but he was injured. The implication with dory and brogy is that they were killed while they were domi reversed and thus went back to full power. That's just not what happened with xebec. Probably because he was simply too strong.

 

[Federicoxxx]

@Federicoxxx never doubt your queen. Ever again

You got baited by Fake spoilers?

Domi Reversed Dorry and Brogy say goodbye to each other and cut each other's head. But their bodies flip back (like when Imu used Domi Reversi but in the other way) to normal self and they are now fully recovered.

- In the AMAZING final double page of the chapter we see Zoro, Dorry, Brogy, Hajrudin, and Stansen standing together, ready to fight the other Domi Reversed giants.

Stansen: "Dying once would end their demonic transformation!!!"

 

[Pirate Queen]

You got baited by Fake spoilers?

Domi Reversed Dorry and Brogy say goodbye to each other and cut each other's head. But their bodies flip back (like when Imu used Domi Reversi but in the other way) to normal self and they are now fully recovered.

- In the AMAZING final double page of the chapter we see Zoro, Dorry, Brogy, Hajrudin, and Stansen standing together, ready to fight the other Domi Reversed giants.

Stansen: "Dying once would end their demonic transformation!!!"

Im sick. I dont how to respond to being wrong. It's never happened before.