Special Move PoT and SPoT Technique Tier List

[Brandnewkid]

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How do we know it's Rank SS? All we know for now is that it is stronger than the 108th Hadokyu. But, the Kinatro's move and Kawamura's Final Hadokyu is also stronger than the 108th Hadokyu. So, how do we know Duke Homerun is stronger than both of those?

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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Well if Gin was blown away by Duke Homerun and only suffered a broken wrist from Final Hadoukyu...

 

[Fayte]

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How do we know it's Rank SS? All we know for now is that it is stronger than the 108th Hadokyu. But, the Kinatro's move and Kawamura's Final Hadokyu is also stronger than the 108th Hadokyu. So, how do we know Duke Homerun is stronger than both of those?

Because the laws of advancement say it would be stupid to introduce a new "stronger" power player without having his techniques being stronger than the previous ones already shown. That alone makes him not stronger.

 

[FrostyMouse]

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How do we know it's Rank SS? All we know for now is that it is stronger than the 108th Hadokyu. But, the Kinatro's move and Kawamura's Final Hadokyu is also stronger than the 108th Hadokyu. So, how do we know Duke Homerun is stronger than both of those?

The Final Hadokyuu was only in the anime, and the serve that Kawamura hit was only equivalent to a 40th or 50th level Hadokyuu in the first place. When Kawamura hits a 108th, he breaks a steel pole.

In terms of whether Duke Homerun is superior to anything Oni can hit, we're not sure. Sai told us that there was something about Duke Homerun in relation to Oni's strength, but he couldn't translate it on the spot, so he wasn't sure exactly.

 

[Hardy]

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I don't see Bane's Pronation Serve anywhere...

 

[Brandnewkid]

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Because the laws of advancement

WTF are you talking abouttttttttttttttt.

The Final Hadokyuu was only in the anime, and the serve that Kawamura hit was only equivalent to a 40th or 50th level Hadokyuu in the first place. When Kawamura hits a 108th, he breaks a steel pole.

Final Hadokyu was not only in the anime. The shot that Kawamura hit to beat Gin? No, that was definitely in the manga, and in the Pair Puris it is said to have power equal to that of a gun.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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Its place on the tier list can be moved up or down when we get more information.

I don't see Bane's Pronation Serve anywhere...

Thanks for that

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Actually, Duke Homerun should stay in Rank SS. This technique is killer, literally. With this one shot you can instantly bench most players. It forced someone like Gin to retire (I'm not sure if that's what happened or if it was the last point). Regardless, Gin would have to retire if he is going to be flung tens of metres in the air with enormous force. Due to the fact that it's a match ending technique and it only requires a ball to the forehand side it should be in SS. It is not a technique which has major prerequisites such as a lob for Yama Arashi or a serve chance like Final Hadoukyu.

 

[FrostyMouse]

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WTF are you talking abouttttttttttttttt.

He means that high tier characters introduced later in the story are at a higher level than earlier introduced characters. Duke's completely upped the power game to a whole new level.

Final Hadokyu was not only in the anime. The shot that Kawamura hit to beat Gin? No, that was definitely in the manga, and in the Pair Puris it is said to have power equal to that of a gun.

Did you read what I said? The Final Hadokyuu was anime only in that it was a hadokyuu of sorts. In the manga, the serve Kawamura hits is a serve using the frame, which creates a power shot that's not the Hadokyuu, so Gin can't neutralize it.

 

[Brandnewkid]

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He means that high tier characters introduced later in the story are at a higher level than earlier introduced characters. Duke's completely upped the power game to a whole new level.

Mehh.

Did you read what I said? The Final Hadokyuu was anime only in that it was a hadokyuu of sorts. In the manga, the serve Kawamura hits is a serve using the frame, which creates a power shot that's not the Hadokyuu, so Gin can't neutralize it.

Taken from the manga, the scene where Kawamura hits it.

"This is the last Hadokyuuuuuu!!"

Taken from the Pair Puri: "The last Hadokyu in the match against Ishida Gin was a memorable shot."

Yes, it is performed differently than Hadokyus 1-108, but it is still considered a Hadokyu in the manga. It's just a new style or variation of it, like the Dash Hadokyu.

 

[FrostyMouse]

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Mehh.



Taken from the manga, the scene where Kawamura hits it.

"This is the last Hadokyuuuuuu!!"

Taken from the Pair Puri: "The last Hadokyu in the match against Ishida Gin was a memorable shot."

Yes, it is performed differently than Hadokyus 1-108, but it is still considered a Hadokyu in the manga. It's just a new style or variation of it, like the Dash Hadokyu.

It's still not a hadokyuu.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/prince_of_tennis/c331/7.html

Gin's says, "It's not a hadokyuu!!"

The Dash Hadokyuu is still a level 1 hadokyuu, which makes it able to be neutralized by Gin's Hadokyuu Canceller, whereas Kawamura's frame serve can't be neutralized, which means that it is unequivocally not a hadokyuu.

 

[Brandnewkid]

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It's still classified as a Hadokyu in the databooks, though. So, what do you want to call it rather than "Final Hadokyu?" Lets call it "Move That Is Called A Hadokyu Out Of Convenience But Is Not A Hadokyu Because Gin Couldn't Neutralize It," or MTICAHOOCBINAHBGCNI.

It's like the Super Saiyan 4 transformation in Dragon Ball GT, it is a form completely different from all the other Super Saiyan transformations, something new altogether, but it is called "Super Saiyan 4" out of convenience according to Word of God.

 

[FrostyMouse]

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It's still classified as a Hadokyu in the databooks, though. So, what do you want to call it rather than "Final Hadokyu?" Lets call it "Move That Is Called A Hadokyu Out Of Convenience But Is Not A Hadokyu Because Gin Couldn't Neutralize It," or MTICAHOOCBINAHBGCNI.

It's like the Super Saiyan 4 transformation in Dragon Ball GT, it is a form completely different from all the other Super Saiyan transformations, something new altogether, but it is called "Super Saiyan 4" out of convenience according to Word of God.

That's why the anime called it Final Hadokyuu, but that leads to the assumption that the serve was a hadokyuu. I usually just refer to it as the final serve against Gin or Kawamura's frame serve.

 

[Brandnewkid]

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That's why the anime called it Final Hadokyuu, but that leads to the assumption that the serve was a hadokyuu. I usually just refer to it as the final serve against Gin or Kawamura's frame serve.

... So how bout that Duke Homerun?

 

[FrostyMouse]

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... So how bout that Duke Homerun?

I'll need Sai to get us a full translation of the conversation between Duke and Oni before I can really say much more. I'm fine with the name as Gin did go flying and was knocked out, so it was essentially a homerun. :P

 

[Hardy]

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64- Impression – Hitouji Yuuji

Really? That high?

How is it better than the Neo-Scud Serve and the 108 Hadoukyu?...

 

[Brandnewkid]

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64- Impression – Hitouji Yuuji

Really? That high?

How is it better than the Neo-Scud Serve and the 108 Hadoukyu?...

If we've learned anything from the Prince of Tennis, it's that original techniques are so yesterday. Copy-catting and Mega-Manning is where it's at.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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64- Impression – Hitouji Yuuji

Really? That high?

How is it better than the Neo-Scud Serve and the 108 Hadoukyu?...

Sadly yes. He has shown to be able to copy any of the opponent's moves (so far) and without high enough mental strength, you will lose. Look at how he easily copied an advanced technique like Tornado Snake. Also it breaks up doubles formations due to the voice replication. Although it is not quite at the level of Niou's S ranked Illusion, it is a powerful technique and deserves to be in Rank A.

 

[Ninomiya]

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Sadly yes. He has shown to be able to copy any of the opponent's moves (so far) and without high enough mental strength, you will lose. Look at how he easily copied an advanced technique like Tornado Snake. Also it breaks up doubles formations due to the voice replication. Although it is not quite at the level of Niou's S ranked Illusion, it is a powerful technique and deserves to be in Rank A.

Perfectly put. Its just that Hitouji physically sucks.
You give Hitouji Sanada's physique and we have one heck of a player.

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Yes, it is performed differently than Hadokyus 1-108, but it is still considered a Hadokyu in the manga. It's just a new style or variation of it, like the Dash Hadokyu.

Precisely. Its outside of the 108 Degrees of Hadoukyuu but still a Hadoukyuu nonetheless.

 

[Fayte]

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Why are we talking about Hitouji again?

 

[Hardy]

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Why are we talking about Hitouji again?

Because I didn't read the 16 pages like any other normal person. Sorry about that.