Discussion Power Advancements

[bittman]

Who said Mantra was unexplained? It would work fine on the Blue Sea, it's not limited to the sky at all. But you're right, it doesn't at all fit Luffy. He's never been about predicting his opponents moves, more about reacting to them. Chopper would probably take to Mantra best, but I don't know why you say he'll learn to use Haki with ease. I doubt Chopper has enough sheer focused willpower to use it to power up attacks. The way I see it, Haki fits Chopper about as well as Mantra fits Luffy. I'm doubting anybody but Luffy and Zoro use Haki. They're the ones who are most driven by ambition and willpower. Maybe Sanji, to complete the Monster Trio and keep him roughly equal with Zoro, but I don't think it would fit any of the other Straw Hats.

Whoops, forgot about that explanation.

Why Chopper will learn Haki with ease? Somehow I think the concept will have a lot to do with a combination of body, mind and spirit. Of course Luffy and Zoro, who are akin to battle geniuses, will learn this, however I feel other Strawhat's will struggle. Chopper, on the other hand, has been shown to know a lot about the connection between his own body, spirit and mind in the way he developed the Rumble Ball to call out his abilities.

That and I want to see Chopper do more than just get big, but for some reason that's all everyone else wants him to do.

 

[kkck]

I think zoro is the one who is going to have the least trouble with haki. He is already very disciplined and it has been implied in an ocation or two before that he can use some form of it.

 

[BlackHair]

Sry for my late reply, I completely forget about this topic in this thread..

No, I think that's only in Aisa's case, she was born with the ability. Other people can learn it. Enel probably developed it, aided with his Rumble Rumble Fruit powers, and taught it to the Priests. Maybe it was a common technique on Bilka, either way, I'm pretty sure it can be learnt.

Wait, I can't recall anyone saying some1 has learned it.

If its learnable then I think more of those Shandia warrior would have learned it. But Since as far as I remember only Aisa had that ability, I believe its only sth u will gain with birth. Maybe there is sth genetic needed. If u have it, u can train it until u mastered it. But I don't think its learnable, if u don't possess the genetic (too much Stargate Atlantis xD).

About haki, I think no-one especially within the moster trio will have problem mastering it. So Luffy, Zoro and Sanji will learn it with ease. And since its One Piece, progress will be only sown in fights, no trainings chapter.

About Ussop: I rly hope once they arrive Elbaf, that he isn't a pussy any more. I know that will probably cause a complete character change, therefore also a different climate within the SHs, but I rly want him to change himself.

 

[Nairey]

From what I’ve understood, there are 2 known “arts”, which can give considerable bonuses and are available to almost everyone. These are:
Rokushiki (six styles) – used by CP9 agents, by training body allows to attain superhuman moves.
Haki (spirit/vigor/ambition) – used by at least 2 younko, Pirate King probably, by concentrating your spirit(?) allows to attain some interesting “bonuses”.
Rokushiki moves are: Soru (fast movement), geppo (mid-air movement), rankiyaku (ranged leg attack), shigan (finger poke…), kamisoru (evasive technique), tekkai (defensive, body hardening technique) and a bunch of combinative moves.
Known Haki effects are: strike hardening/empowering (by Margaret and co.), DF ability negating (by Railegh and snake sisters), Haki Burst *name is temporary* (by Shanks, Railegh etc.), Mantra, or prediction of enemy moves (by Enel & Co, snake sisters), flaming aura (by Mari of snake sisters, …Zoro?...Sanji???), hearing the breath of things (not shure if it’s the “Haki thingy”, but sertainly Zoro AND Nami are able to use it(I’m referring to her weather predicting)).
For logia haters…do you get that the moment Luffy learns how to negate DF ability with Haki, logia’s main advantage dissapers? Since then what matters is only how effectively you use your ability.
Conserning Sanji and flaming aura, I’m referring to Tb arc when after hearing about Nami’s abduction and “bath accident” he ignited and blew up. Even if it’s just a gag, why the hell he didn’t need any salt, purifying zombies with kicks only?

 

[brunoq]

Here comes the Power-up!

As we saw in the latest manga, Franky ended up on an island of a genius man (probably Vegapunk, just a guess), and nami landed on a Weather island, and Sanji on a Drag Queen Island.

Well, a really think Oda is going to power everyone up for the New World. Luffy has always been strong, and, my guess, he will learn how to use Haki with Hancock. Franky probably will get an upgrade on his cyborg abilities and Nami will learn a lot about weather and also power up her Tempo power! Sanji, well, I'm waitting to see how he's going to power up. So what do you think? What's the next step? How will they gather up? And how strong? Is Ussop on the Sniper Island? Is chopper on a medical country? Will they all gather at Impel Down? I really hope so! What do you think their power-up will be?

 

[ofir271]

this thread is becoming more relevant since the last developments
i put everything insdite a spoler cause im not sure whats the policy in this case

Spoiler

first the obvious:
luffy- the haki discovery can get him stronger but i didnt see anything really new. i guess it will come soon.
nami - the weather island is almost too good to be true.i wonder if she will only get some new props or some dipper understanding of the weather as well.
franky - the future island is a perfect fitt as well.he maybe a true oponent to the WG kumas things(forgot thier name)

for the rest im pretty much wondering. the rest of the crew sould have a power boost just for the sake of not being left behind,as well for the war (if they join) and the new world:
Ussop - my guess is we will see a new ussop - kind of a soke king without the musk.all he need is some courage and selfesteem,and that jungle where he cant relay of athers is a perfect chance.
zoro -it can be a new sword,but i have another idea.here is the deal:
the castle is the home of the owner of the previous owner of his cursed sword.with the help of perana and her ghosts connections the sword will reveal its true powers after the curse is lifted.another option is that perana help him connect with his lover and by that lift a huge weight of his heart and make him stronger.
robin - for some reason i dont think she will get a boost ,just some new knoledge that will make her more motivated(she is allready stronger then we saw)
brook- some panties didnt heart anyone(no idea really)
sanji - i guess oda want to kill kuma.jk - get closer to his femanine side(hope not too close)

 

[neomaster121]

From what I’ve understood, there are 2 known “arts”, which can give considerable bonuses and are available to almost everyone. These are:
Rokushiki (six styles) – used by CP9 agents, by training body allows to attain superhuman moves.
Haki (spirit/vigor/ambition) – used by at least 2 younko, Pirate King probably, by concentrating your spirit(?) allows to attain some interesting “bonuses”.
Rokushiki moves are: Soru (fast movement), geppo (mid-air movement), rankiyaku (ranged leg attack), shigan (finger poke…), kamisoru (evasive technique), tekkai (defensive, body hardening technique) and a bunch of combinative moves.
Known Haki effects are: strike hardening/empowering (by Margaret and co.), DF ability negating (by Railegh and snake sisters), Haki Burst *name is temporary* (by Shanks, Railegh etc.), Mantra, or prediction of enemy moves (by Enel & Co, snake sisters), flaming aura (by Mari of snake sisters, …Zoro?...Sanji???), hearing the breath of things (not shure if it’s the “Haki thingy”, but sertainly Zoro AND Nami are able to use it(I’m referring to her weather predicting)).
For logia haters…do you get that the moment Luffy learns how to negate DF ability with Haki, logia’s main advantage dissapers? Since then what matters is only how effectively you use your ability.
Conserning Sanji and flaming aura, I’m referring to Tb arc when after hearing about Nami’s abduction and “bath accident” he ignited and blew up. Even if it’s just a gag, why the hell he didn’t need any salt, purifying zombies with kicks only?

no flaming haki it was a match the snake set herself on fire with a match lol

Zoro breath of all things seemingly like gold rodgers rayliegh seemed to suggest he had the power
if Zoro's haki is the same as rodgers and luffy's is the same as silvers then could be interesting cross over, just have to wait to find out what haki type Zoro is n what haki type gold rodger was i'm sure we'll be told some day but its just a suggestion don't think it will be the case

Zoro with perona could learn to battle with his spirt (she got the spirt breaker)
Also Zoro once used the breath to find his sword before when fighting mr1 but we know perona not gonna take Zoro to near death so maybe Zoro will learn how to hear the breath at will? just an idea

 

[kkck]

this thread is becoming more relevant since the last developments
i put everything insdite a spoler cause im not sure whats the policy in this case

Spoiler

first the obvious:
luffy- the haki discovery can get him stronger but i didnt see anything really new. i guess it will come soon.
nami - the weather island is almost too good to be true.i wonder if she will only get some new props or some dipper understanding of the weather as well.
franky - the future island is a perfect fitt as well.he maybe a true oponent to the WG kumas things(forgot thier name)

for the rest im pretty much wondering. the rest of the crew sould have a power boost just for the sake of not being left behind,as well for the war (if they join) and the new world:
Ussop - my guess is we will see a new ussop - kind of a soke king without the musk.all he need is some courage and selfesteem,and that jungle where he cant relay of athers is a perfect chance.
zoro -it can be a new sword,but i have another idea.here is the deal:
the castle is the home of the owner of the previous owner of his cursed sword.with the help of perana and her ghosts connections the sword will reveal its true powers after the curse is lifted.another option is that perana help him connect with his lover and by that lift a huge weight of his heart and make him stronger.
robin - for some reason i dont think she will get a boost ,just some new knoledge that will make her more motivated(she is allready stronger then we saw)
brook- some panties didnt heart anyone(no idea really)
sanji - i guess oda want to kill kuma.jk - get closer to his femanine side(hope not too close)

I dont think zoro is getting a new sword just yet. All his old swords are doing just fine as of now. Maybe that will change soon given that all the strawhats are getting upgrades as we speak that will change soon though.

I do believe he will have three swords of the same quality as wado (the one he got from that girl from his childhood). Particularly I always thought he would get a sword of that quality from tashigi although that prediction has no base whatsoever.

 

[Deathgod75]

Well it's pretty obvious that luffy, nami, and cranky are there for improvement, but I'm still in question of how the others locations will help them improve? Sanji gets mega strong and fast from running so much? Chopper? No idea. Ussop maybe more speed and accuracy. Robin? No idea. Zori maybe finds drawings on the ruins that improve his swordmanship. Brooke? No idea

 

[hot_chips]

I dont think zoro is getting a new sword just yet. All his old swords are doing just fine as of now. Maybe that will change soon given that all the strawhats are getting upgrades as we speak that will change soon though.

I do believe he will have three swords of the same quality as wado (the one he got from that girl from his childhood). Particularly I always thought he would get a sword of that quality from tashigi although that prediction has no base whatsoever.

NO, Zoro can' have a better sword than that of his Wado.
It would decrease the sentimental value of the blade.

 

[kkck]

NO, Zoro can' have a better sword than that of his Wado.
It would decrease the sentimental value of the blade.

I didnt say better, I said of the same quality. The sword zoro got from ryuma is of the same quality or rank as wado. I always thought he should get three of the same quality.

 

[Riku]

About Chopper's power-up; he is in the island of giant birds if I'm correct? Chopper does speak with animals. Maybe the birds are giant enough to calm down monster-form, and speak to it in the language it understands. Or something, but I strongly believe the birds have something to do with his improvement.

 

[bittman]

Two things on recent discussion:
1) Zoro's Swords: Let's say he does find a new sword, what would he throw away and why? Would he throw away the cursed blade to let it befall ill on a random stranger? Would he throw away the gift from a legendary swordsman won as a show of contest and his growth? Would he throw away the sword of his childhood promise? To me, the answer to all three is no. They have each defined a major piece of his growth and journey so for him to replace any of them would be unthinkable at the moment. Besides, aren't the other two blades of equal quality to Wado already?

2) Chopper: It is not his own self that is out of control, but the Devil Fruit. His mind is completely taken over by the Devil Fruit, so somehow I don't feel getting beaten in it by giant birds will work. But still, we'll see.

 

[kkck]

No one is saying zoro will ramdonly throw away his sword. Truth be told, zoro has swords of two diferent qualities: Wado and the one he got from ryuma are among the 21 best swords while the other one isamong the 51 best or something. In other words sandai doesnt cut it in comparison to the other two swords zoro has. Given that his oponents are going to get progresively stronger and so is zoro so it makes sense that if a sword is not going to make it is that one.

 

[knivez]

zorro is not going to get a new sword so soon after he got the previous one.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

I'm curious if anyone thinks that someone else will be getting Haki other then Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy? I've never really thought about it before but do any of the other SH's really fit into that sort of category? I suppose it would be a distinction between the Monster Trio and the rest of the Strawhats...

 

[bittman]

I've said I believe Chopper will get Haki, it might attune him to his own Devil Fruit and body better though he already has a greater understanding of both than his counterparts. The fact he knew about it when no-one else had kind of hinted at it for me.

That said, I cannot see Robin, Franky, Brooke, Nami or Ussop with it given their crazy easily-evolving abilities.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

I've said I believe Chopper will get Haki, it might attune him to his own Devil Fruit and body better though he already has a greater understanding of both than his counterparts. The fact he knew about it when no-one else had kind of hinted at it for me.

That said, I cannot see Robin, Franky, Brooke, Nami or Ussop with it given their crazy easily-evolving abilities.

I might be missing something but when did CHopper show knowledge of Haki?

Anyways isn't Haki pretty much willpower? I suppose if controlling Monster Point had to do with willpower your theory would make sense. Which could work since he he has to will himself to control it in some way.

 

[bittman]

I might be missing something but when did CHopper show knowledge of Haki?

Anyways isn't Haki pretty much willpower? I suppose if controlling Monster Point had to do with willpower your theory would make sense. Which could work since he he has to will himself to control it in some way.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/504/11/ - bottom right panel. I didn't say it was a lot, but Oda did give Chopper some knowledge. He could have just as easily let it slip by until the Kuja arc.

EDIT: WAIT! My apologies, it was Hacchi who talked about it. Ok, ignore my talk on Chopper using his previous knowledge. I'm still for Chopper learning it, but my argument has less backing now. They both had their mouths open, so it was hard to pick out at a glance.

 

[SpaceDBadger]

Re: One Piece 529 Discussion/530 Predictions

I am really curious as to how Oda is going to tell us what happened to everyone when they were transported.... I'm sure Zoro and Sanji are going to develop some new awesome moves, as i am now sure luffy has a couple new ones, GEARS 4 and 5 FTW!!!!

Perhaps Sanji and Zoro will beable to destroy seastone after their own mini arcs.....As i see it though i think it's Zoro and Nico who are in the most trouble, just because everyone else seems to have already found a friend....oh maybe chopper i guess but i reckon he'll turn man form ad the ppl he's with are so dumb they'll think he's a man lol