Discussion Power Advancements

[paradoxe]

I was thinking Sanji would be the one with elemental themed attacks, considering his 'fire leg' Diable Jambe.

 

[BlackHair]

About that Aura think, I think if i compare it with DBs "Ki" or Bleachs "Reaitsu" it is just a outburst of strength. It is not an attack nor can it used with weapons. IF some1 is strong he will give a strong outburst out of him, therefore others will notice that this guy is strong. So ppl can feel each others outburst. If the outburst is hight/strong inexperienced ppl will faint. Therefore it cant be used with weapons or attack skills, it is something u will let continuously flow. Experienced ppl know how to control their outburst and r able to change it from low to max. I just saying right know, strong ppl like Sanji, Zoro and Luffy have already a strong outburst. But they prob cant control it, like I explained. btw Narutos Chakra is different.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

maybe zoro will be able to cut even elements ^^
sanji will be able to leave his footprints in pure iron
Luffy will come up with a different way of fighting becouse gear 2+3 is too harmfull for his body

 

[Sachsenhesse]

usopp will use luffy as giant rubberband und zoro as munition

no

zoro cut elemenents sounds teriffying... "hey there i´m a logia" *cut* "you was a logia"

Zoro needs to get more speed, hes strength improved a lot, but in speed he cannot match up with mihawk i think

 

[Deathgod75]

usopp will use luffy as giant rubberband und zoro as munition

no

zoro cut elemenents sounds teriffying... "hey there i´m a logia" *cut* "you was a logia"

Zoro needs to get more speed, hes strength improved a lot, but in speed he cannot match up with mihawk i think

it would be total BA if zoro could cut elements but i dont see how oda could explain it... scientifically theres no way but well just have to wait and see. and zoro's speed isnt that bad i mean he fought kaku who's a rokuishi master and uses soru.

 

[BlackHair]

zoro cut elemenents sounds teriffying... "hey there i´m a logia" *cut* "you was a logia"

Actually I posted about that earlier. It may cool if Zoro had a sword with seas stone material implemented. This way he could cut through logia.. not sure tho since they turned into their element and lost their physical body.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

it would be total BA if zoro could cut elements but i dont see how oda could explain it... scientifically theres no way but well just have to wait and see. and zoro's speed isnt that bad i mean he fought kaku who's a rokuishi master and uses soru.

jeah but that means he can catch up the speed with his eyes and swords, but by running? In the fight agains kaku he is most of the time in defencestance und waits for his counterattack.

mihawk doesnt say it out of fun, that he must become faster :/

Actually I posted about that earlier. It may cool if Zoro had a sword with seas stone material implemented. This way he could cut through logia.. not sure tho since they turned into their element and lost their physical body.

Jeah of course it would be nice for the logiahaters, like me, but zoro once said no to a upgrade for his swords after skypia. That only weaponupgrade zoro can achieve is, as i think, better swords, but even that becomes more difficult. So he needs some special movements like soru or new attacks.

 

[neomaster121]

Actually I posted about that earlier. It may cool if Zoro had a sword with seas stone material implemented. This way he could cut through logia.. not sure tho since they turned into their element and lost their physical body.

as soon as Zoro starts using seastones he looses alls his coolnss same with sanji

what the hell is good about Zoro or ny other of the top end sh using seastones in fights its just not great
smoker is ok since its added danger for luffy but as soon as the sh crew start using seastones for fights well all their df enemies become useless
in fact its bloody illogical for Zoro to get a seastone
just think about it just for one second... why would Zoro learn to cut through iron (which is techniqually n element) when later down the line hes going to use seastones

it defeats the whole point of Zoro learning the breathe technique

u seastone lovers *!?!
u seastone lovers bloody sound like ussop n hes the only one i wouldn't give a damn if he used seastones he has no self respect when it comes to fights

 

[JC123]

dude, calm down...

And while I like Usopp, I don't like to think that someone has an unregarded bias against his "cowardice"

He has beaten a few good opponents. His best things (creativity and lack of physical strength) make him a VERY good long range combat specialist.

seastone won't help that at all.

 

[neomaster121]

dude, calm down...

And while I like Usopp, I don't like to think that someone has an unregarded bias against his "cowardice"

He has beaten a few good opponents. His best things (creativity and lack of physical strength) make him a VERY good long range combat specialist.

seastone won't help that at all.

lol true i should calm down

but don't u remember his ennies loby act of so called creaitvity

lets handicap our opponents with seastone handcuffs

 

[BlackHair]

as soon as Zoro starts using seastones he looses alls his coolnss same with sanji

what the hell is good about Zoro or ny other of the top end sh using seastones in fights its just not great
smoker is ok since its added danger for luffy but as soon as the sh crew start using seastones for fights well all their df enemies become useless

Ur way of thinking, that only DF User are strong is totally wrong dude. There will be prop plenty of times, where non DF strong enemies will face the SHs. Therefore seastone wont help much.. dont u think?

in fact its bloody illogical for Zoro to get a seastone
just think about it just for one second... why would Zoro learn to cut through iron (which is techniqually n element) when later down the line hes going to use seastones

U watched IronMan? he is made of, I think of even harder material than Iron without DF. Zoro could do nothing with a sesatone against him, if he couldn't cut thro iron..

I don't get ur way of thinking, r u saying with seastone he could cut through everything? Seastone nullifies the DF ability only, as far as I know.

I'm saying there will be many times in the future, where his cutting technique is asked. So far Mihawk looks like a non DF user, if that is the case, seasstone wouldn't help him at all.

u seastone lovers *!?!

I'm a logia hater, so yes I'am naturally seastone fanboy. Logia is way overpowered.

as soon as Zoro starts using seastones he looses alls his coolns

u seastone lovers bloody sound like ussop n hes the only one i wouldn't give a damn if he used seastones he has no self respect when it comes to fights

what did Zoro used again? against Enel in his desperate situation?! Yes Kebab ..its ok, just a rhetorical question.

Zoro uses a sword not a net, he cant catch some1. With so many DF ability there are plenty of ways to overcome seastone swords or Ussopes seastone bullets lol.

edit: plz dont misunderstand me. Its just a wish dream of mine. As far as I estimate One Piece, it wont happen.

 

[JC123]

True, and he was clearly outmatched by Jyabura as well. But when he was the ONLY one to fight against Spanda (m) when the rest were busy, he showed where his strength was.

 

[neomaster121]

Ur way of thinking, that only DF User are strong is totally wrong dude. There will be prop plenty of times, where non DF strong enemies will face the SHs. Therefore seastone wont help much.. dont u think?



U watched IronMan? he is made of, I think of even harder material than Iron without DF. Zoro could do nothing with a sesatone against him, if he couldn't cut thro iron..

I don't get ur way of thinking, r u saying with seastone he could cut through everything? Seastone nullifies the DF ability only, as far as I know.

I'm saying there will be many times in the future, where his cutting technique is asked. So far Mihawk looks like a non DF user, if that is the case, seasstone wouldn't help him at all.


I'm a logia hater, so yes I'am naturally seastone fanboy. Logia is way overpowered.



what did Zoro used again? against Enel in his desperate situation?! Yes Kebab ..its ok, just a rhetorical question.

Zoro uses a sword not a net, he cant catch some1. With so many DF ability there are plenty of ways to overcome seastone swords or Ussopes seastone bullets lol.

ok well i'll break this down

iron guy as soon as hes touched with seastone looses his iron hardness then guess what Zoro cuts him down thats not the hard part

yea enel was a different cause but i for one thing that logias aren't as all powerful as they seem n i believe theres a balancing act between the 3 ennies loby went out of its way to show off zoans powers

I for one don't believe people can't be strong without devil fruits in fact i see df enemies as handicaps to Zoro n Sanji to over come thats why i atcually like them I think mi hawk wb shanks all are non devil fruit users

i just don't think u realise the effects seastone weapons have on df users and thats what im arguing against. Luffy has been locked in a seastone cage n he lost alot of his energy

now what would be the point of Zoro or sanji beating up a weakened df user because they handicaped them with a seastone to me thats useless

 

[BlackHair]

iron guy as soon as hes touched with seastone looses his iron hardness then guess what Zoro cuts him down thats not the hard part

Actually by Ironman I was talking about that guy here. It was just a joke earlier, no need to quote that. Anyway, this thread is about "power advancements", what's the point in talking about the past? Did I say Zoro should have back then a sea stone sword, no only right now before the NW. Infact the past helped him to sharpened his skills.

yea enel was a different cause but i for one thing that logias aren't as all powerful as they seem n i believe theres a balancing act between the 3 ennies loby went out of its way to show off zoans powers

hu..wat?! plz why is enel different? he has a logia DF, that's the reason I love seastone. His ability was/is overpowered.

The only reasson the SHs beat him down was Shanks carelessness back then 10 years earlier in Luffys hometown, by letting Luffy eat the fruit.

i just don't think u realise the effects seastone weapons have on df users and thats what im arguing against. Luffy has been locked in a seastone cage n he lost alot of his energy

I do get ur point, but why are all new (strong)oppents df user?
btw Luffy lost only his power by touching the cage itself, not 'cause he was locked in it.

now what would be the point of Zoro or sanji beating up a weakened df user because they handicaped them with a seastone to me thats useless

One more reasons, why there should be less df ability user. In OP if u eat a fruit, u become "strong" without actually training for it, like Zoro for example. That's a fact I dont like about OP. Oda describes every strong character latly with a DF ability, why not more strong guys without DF?

I for one don't believe people can't be strong without devil fruits in fact i see df enemies as handicaps to Zoro n Sanji to over come thats why i atcually like them I think mi hawk wb shanks all are non devil fruit users

I agree with u to a certain point. But u can be strong even without DF, or are u saying Zoro, Sanji, Co are weak ?!

Well anyway, imo at some point to show every opponent as a DF user is "to easy" for Oda :P

ok well i'll break this down

Didn't heard or saw anything, u? if yes, then prob just imaginations. Obviously there is nothing to break. We are talking about each others opinion about possibilities, which prob wont come true, u cant break that.


Sry, I edited my post earlier without refreshing the Tab. So I didn't saw ur post. Let me quote that part.

edit: plz dont misunderstand me. Its just a wish dream of mine. As far as I estimate One Piece, it wont happen.

 

[toxun]

I got it
the power up that we all knows been coming

beware n prepare

Zoro's next upgrade...
Elemental swords.
I know what you guys are thinking perfect another crazy idea but its not finished hehehe

Now His swords won't eat devil fruits but i think as a next step to his aura type attacking to improve his base level. He will be able to make his 3 swords using his aura represent different elements.
Wado becomes a ice sword
Shuushi becomes a water sword
N his cursed sword becomes a fire sword
i these 3 elements will represent the different anguish Zoro has faced since his first fight with kuma n encountering his own painful goal combined with luffys painful goal.
Combined will become some great attacking technique

Sanji well hes got the upgrade needed for the new world n has represented his teacher well maybe on both feet but hes good to go
Luffy will use his aura n gears for boosted attacking stregnth
Franky upgrade his armour
Robin n nami stay the same
Ussop is using dials what more could you want
Chopper won't change
Brookes, well maybe he will want to help Zoro more or learn some tricks of Zoro to increase his own power

Zoro already showing his elemental attack when he fought Ryuma (Ittoryu Hiryu Kaen). If only that attack only a move Ryuma won't be burned and lost his shadow. It's somekind of holy fire I guess, and he's doing it with his oldest sword (Wadou Ichimoji)

 

[neomaster121]

Zoro already showing his elemental attack when he fought Ryuma (Ittoryu Hiryu Kaen). If only that attack only a move Ryuma won't be burned and lost his shadow. It's somekind of holy fire I guess, and he's doing it with his oldest sword (Wadou Ichimoji)

he just put salt on his blade so if the Zombie took a life threatenning injury because he could he would loose his shadow thats why the wound was set alight as soon as he was cut it wasn't because Zoro was using any sort of elements

but it would be cool if Zoro could summon mystic fire in his attacks.

the last time he used fire with his swords was back in little garden arc with his burning blades

 

[Luckas]

[Luckas]Please guys, stay on topic.[/Luckas]

 

[kkck]

Marine admirals; Foreshadowing of powerups?

I was just thinking about the strawhats encounters with admirals so far and I came up with a theory.
When the strawhats meet aokiji they fought and were defeated easily. After this it was evident that the strawhats werent strong enough for what was yet to come. In other words they needed to get stronger.
As we all saw they indeed got stronger:
Luffy: Got gears.
Zoro: 9 sword stile
Sanji: Diable jambe
Ussop:Kabuto
Nami: Perfect clima tact.
Chopper: Didnt get an upgrade but showed monter point.
Robbin: Didnt get a powerup but on the other hand she just truly joined the strwhats at the end of ennied lobby arc
Franky: Wasnt a crewmember when strawhats got all their powerups, so he wasnt in need of one.
Brook: Not part of the strawhats or we knew existed when the first powerups were shown.

Now the strawhats fought kizaru, pacifista, kuma and sentoumaru, and it was more than evident that overall they were to weak. All strawhats vs just a pacifista barely won, and even if they had fought kizaru at full strength, it is evident that they would have lost without kisaru breaking a sweat.
Right now the strawhats are in clear need of getting stronger because like when they meet aokiji, they are not ready for what has yet to come.

SO what do you think? Did oda plan on showing the admirals as foreshadowing of powerups or is it just a coincidence that everytime they appears the strawhats are utterly defeated?

 

[pjboom]

I hate the new Ussoup's weapon, it's shameful to me, give him a damm crossbow, he will be able to do the same stuff but in a more dignified way.

 

[Oblivion]

no way usopps weapon is just as odd and weird as he is and it fits him sooo well.

kabuto is THE weapon for usopp, i'd be disappointed with anything conventianel